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4 Supreme Court Cases define "natural born citizen"
The Post & Email ^ | Oct. 18, 2009 | John Charlton

Posted on 01/10/2010 6:03:15 PM PST by STE=Q

Oct. 18, 2009) — The Post & Email has in several articles mentioned that the Supreme Court of the United States has given the definition of what a “natural born citizen” is. Since being a natural born citizen is an objective qualification and requirement of office for the U.S. President, it is important for all U.S. Citizens to understand what this term means.

Let’s cut through all the opinion and speculation, all the “he says”, “she says”, fluff, and go right to the irrefutable, constitutional authority on all terms and phrases mentioned in the U.S. Constitution: the Supreme Court of the United States.

First, let me note that there are 4 such cases which speak of the notion of “natural born citizenship”.

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To: Genoa
It strikes me as strange to insist in this case on an explicit definition in the Constitution itself, given the fact that the Constitution routinely uses a lot of other terms without defining them; and so, quite a few interpretations in many other cases (not just regarding natural-born citizenship) have been based on discerning the intent of the framers and determining their likely use of language as understood at the time. Why is that not allowed now?

Because at the time you had at least two different schools of thought on the definition of natural-born citizen. The true test is how it is defined in federal law or in Supreme Court decisions. In three of the four cases mentioned, the circumstances of birth were not matters before the court at the time. In the fourth case, the Ark decision, the court ruled that Ark was a citizen of the U.S. from birth regardless of the nationality of the parents. Again, since the Constitution only identifies two forms of citizenship, citizen at birth and citizen by birth and natural-born citizen are all synonymous.

81 posted on 01/11/2010 1:07:53 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: PA-RIVER
When the terms of language are set upon quicksand as you insist, there is no constitution. There is no law. There is no justice. People then set the rules on their own terms with their own instruments of justice, as they must, as they are forced to.

That's the problem. There is law. There is justice. There is a Constitution. You just choose to ignore it.

82 posted on 01/11/2010 1:14:49 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Uncle Chip
So then who were the natural born citizens before the 14th Amendment????????????

The answer to that would depend partly on what the law said at the time. Naturalization law has changed frequently during our history.

83 posted on 01/11/2010 1:16:07 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
That's the problem. There is law. There is justice. There is a Constitution.

There is an SR511 for John McCain.

There is no SR511 for Barry O.

You just choose to ignore it.

Yep -- you sure do.

84 posted on 01/11/2010 1:21:13 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Non-Sequitur; STE=Q

John Jay wrote: “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and reasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”

Barack Obama admits to being a foreigner — he admits to being a citizen of Kenya and a British subject.


85 posted on 01/11/2010 1:21:41 PM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Sure they do — all FIVE of them:

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm#FiveCases


86 posted on 01/11/2010 1:23:55 PM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Beckwith
Barack Obama admits to being a foreigner — he admits to being a citizen of Kenya and a British subject.

His Kenyan citizen lapsed when he turned 21 so he's no longer a citizen of any foreign country. And he's also a U.S. citizen from birth, which means he is a natural-born citizen.

87 posted on 01/11/2010 1:24:34 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Uncle Chip
There is an SR511 for John McCain.

A non-binding Senate resolution? Whoopie. But if non-binding resolutions are the be-all and end-all for you then how about HR 593 which recognized the 50th anniversary of Hawaiian statehood and it's status as the birthplace of the current president? Does that solve it for you?

88 posted on 01/11/2010 1:27:58 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
The answer to that would depend partly on what the law said at the time. Naturalization law has changed frequently during our history.

So then the Constitutional qualifications for the Presidency kept changing as Naturalization Law kept changing???

And as Congress was rewriting Naturalization Law all those different times, they were also amending the Constitution by those same laws???

Is that what you are saying????

89 posted on 01/11/2010 1:29:46 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Beckwith
Sure they do — all FIVE of them...

Four of them were listed in this article. Of those, three do not deal with natural-born citizenship and a clear reading of the Ark case indicates that the court ruled that he was a natural-born citizen regardless of his parent's citizenship.

90 posted on 01/11/2010 1:31:36 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
A non-binding Senate resolution? Whoopie.

A non-binding resolution based upon the study of the cases in this article.

Does Obama have a non-binding SR511???

91 posted on 01/11/2010 1:34:30 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip
So then the Constitutional qualifications for the Presidency kept changing as Naturalization Law kept changing???

Nope. The Constitutional requirements have remained the same. Natural born citizen. Over 35. Fourteen years a resident in this country.

And as Congress was rewriting Naturalization Law all those different times, they were also amending the Constitution by those same laws???

No. Laws do not amend the Constitution. But the Constitution does not define natural-born citizen.

Is that what you are saying????

Not at all.

92 posted on 01/11/2010 1:34:33 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

“And he’s also a U.S. citizen from birth, which means he is a natural-born citizen.”

So is Pedro the anchor baby?

You are mistaken at the very least.

Naturl Born Citizens MUST have CITIZEN PARENTS.


93 posted on 01/11/2010 1:35:08 PM PST by Lower55
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To: Uncle Chip
A non-binding resolution based upon the study of the cases in this article.

ROTFLMAO!!!! That resolution referenced federal law and not a single one of the cases mentioned.

Does Obama have a non-binding SR511???

HR 593.

94 posted on 01/11/2010 1:36:07 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

So then just what was “natural born citizen” understood to mean before the 14th Amendment????


95 posted on 01/11/2010 1:37:12 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

“His Kenyan citizen lapsed’

That’s an ODD statement about the supposed President of the United States.


96 posted on 01/11/2010 1:37:13 PM PST by Lower55
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To: Non-Sequitur
HR 593.

Did the Senate that unanimously approved McCain's SR511 vote on that yet??? Why not???

97 posted on 01/11/2010 1:39:44 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

” the Ark case indicates that the court ruled that he was a natural-born citizen regardless of his parent’s citizenship. “

Absolutely FALSE. You need to go read the decision again.

~as much a CITIZEN as a Natural Born Citizen.

Comprehension is not your strong suit, is it?


98 posted on 01/11/2010 1:40:57 PM PST by Lower55
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To: Non-Sequitur
Where is your definition of "natural born citizen" before the 14th Amendment???
99 posted on 01/11/2010 1:44:04 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
His Kenyan citizen lapsed when he turned 21 so he's no longer a citizen of any foreign country. And he's also a U.S. citizen from birth, which means he is a natural-born citizen.

The House passes a non binding resolution recognizing Hawaii as the 50th state and Abercombie throws Obama a bone stating he was born there. The Senate passes a non binding resolution stating McCain is some type of citizen. I find this quite humorous.

Since the proverbial horse has left the barn, impeachment of the current occupant of the White House is the logical remedy to remove him from office with the caveat of evidence to support Constitutional requirements.

100 posted on 01/11/2010 2:00:57 PM PST by afnamvet
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