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The electronic run on banks nobody seemed to notice
The DC ^ | 01/15/10 | Mary Claire Kendall

Posted on 01/17/2010 7:22:01 AM PST by opentalk

Sixteen months after the 11 a.m. simultaneous withdrawal of billions of dollars out of money market accounts in the aftermath of Lehman’s demise a few days earlier, no one seems to care about the dimensions of this event.

After all, this catastrophic event did not have quite the physicality of say an actual bank run.

There were no investors standing in line waiting to take their money out for Americans to see just who they were—from what country, wearing what kind of clothes, honest or squirrelly looking, working in tandem with each other? Just computer generated orders simultaneously withdrawing billions of dollars adding up to $550 billion within about an hour.

And, certainly, if it were an act of economic terrorism, which no one seems to have the imagination or cojones to raise, the visual is not there. No Boeing 737 ramming into the Twin Towers, bursting into flames, innocent victims burning alive jumping out the windows to their death, prior to the buildings’ collapse into rubble.

But, make no mistake, this electronic run on the banks of Sept. 18, 2008, was every bit as catastrophic, with numerous victims.

Sure, it could be pure coincidence that exactly at 11 a.m. a wave of concerned investors all decided it was time to electronically withdraw their funds thus creating this crescendo drawdown effect setting in motion a worldwide panic. It could be coincidence. But, it’s doubtful.

The fact that the identities of those who simultaneously decided to withdraw their money at 11 a.m. on Sep. 18, precipitating this panic, were never released, does lead one to question whether or not something sinister was at work.

Is there no one else with even the vaguest curiosity to ask if it was a coincidence or not? And, to suggest maybe an investigation is in order to deliver that vaunted “transparency” that voters seemed to believe they would get after the 2008 elections.

If nothing sinister was at work, then why so much secrecy concerning the destination of this $550 billion in money withdrawn on Thursday, Sept. 18, and those responsible for redirecting these funds out of the U.S. money markets.

Surely the money didn’t go back into the American economy.

No, $550 billion was drained away from the American economy, the consequences of which we suffer to this day.

The exact contours of this event were described by Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D-Pa.) on C-SPAN on Wednesday, Feb. 11, two days after the 200th anniversary of Abe Lincoln’s birth.

An enraged caller had just erupted over the ill-advised $700 billion bailout a few months earlier and Rep. Kanjorski felt pressed to reveal what Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke had told Congress behind closed doors, which so shocked them into supporting this mind-bogglingly huge bailout.

“On Thursday [Sept. 18, 2008] at about 11 o’clock in the morning,” Kanjorski began, “the Federal Reserve noticed the tremendous drawdown of money market accounts in the United States to the tune of $550 billion dollars being drawn out in a matter of an hour or two. The Treasury opened up its window to help. It pumped $105 billion in the system and quickly realized that they could not stem the tide.”

At that point, officials realized, Kanjorski relates, “We were having an electronic run on the banks.”

In response, Kanjorski continued, “They decided to close the operation, close down the money accounts and announce a guarantee of $250,000 per account so there wouldn’t be further panic out there and that’s what actually happened.”

And, if nothing had been done, Kanjorski revealed, “their estimation was that by two o’clock that afternoon, five and 1/2 trillion dollars would have been drawn out of the money market system of the United States, would have collapsed the entire economy of the United States and within 24 hours the world economy would have collapsed (which would have meant) … the end of our economic system and our political system as we know it.”

Kanjorski concluded, “Someone threw us in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean without a life raft. And, we’re trying to determine which is the closest shore, and whether there’s any chance in the world to swim that far. We don’t know.”

But why is no one in the least bit curious to know who that “someone” is who “threw us in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean without a life raft”—the consequences of which have so damaged our economy’s job-creating engine?

This writer, for one, would like to know.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: auditthefed; economy; federalreserve; moneymarketsystem; sept182008; soros; terrorism
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1 posted on 01/17/2010 7:22:02 AM PST by opentalk
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To: opentalk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxz6gYIiFHc

note the the curious silence of wall street, obama, bush, the us congress, the treasury secretary, and the world media


2 posted on 01/17/2010 7:26:23 AM PST by silverleaf
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To: opentalk

I’m very curious...wish I had the skills to find out where the money went. If I was a hacker, I’d be all over this. It has to be traceable...yes?


3 posted on 01/17/2010 7:27:04 AM PST by homegroan ((keeping track of this crap is a full-time job...and I just punched in))
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To: opentalk

George Soros


4 posted on 01/17/2010 7:27:49 AM PST by y6162 (uish..)
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To: opentalk

Ever since watching the Kandorski video, I’ve thought exactly as you. Since the withdrawals were electronic, the banks know those who were taking out the money. It is no secret. I’ve always thought the Democrats were behind it one way or the other.


5 posted on 01/17/2010 7:28:43 AM PST by freedom4me (Hate evil, love good; maintain justice in the courts. Amos 5:15)
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To: homegroan

So, who was doing the withdrawing?


6 posted on 01/17/2010 7:28:43 AM PST by rovenstinez (All)
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To: opentalk
But why is no one in the least bit curious to know who that “someone” is

Because it helped elect O Bama, and that was good enough for his media.

7 posted on 01/17/2010 7:30:25 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (:: The government will do for health care what it did for real estate. ::)
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To: opentalk

Very interesting. I’d like to see a viral buzz about this begin.


8 posted on 01/17/2010 7:30:26 AM PST by my small voice (A biased media and an uneducated public is the biggest threat to our democracy)
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To: opentalk

Soros?

Saudi’s?

China?

What has been done to keep this from ever happening again???

......

Did not know about this til reading this post - wasn’t feeling too well this morning....now feel a bit sicker.

But, what the hay....good football coming on this afternoon and earthquake election coming Jan 19.....

And God is still on the throne....

Life is good.


9 posted on 01/17/2010 7:30:37 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Ronald Reagan: If we ever forget that we're one nation under God,then we'll be a nation gone under.")
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To: rovenstinez

exactly...if you know who, you can answer why.


10 posted on 01/17/2010 7:30:50 AM PST by homegroan ((keeping track of this crap is a full-time job...and I just punched in))
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To: opentalk
Who ever it was was close to the Democrats. Soros may be, or someone of his type. If it was outside the Democrat party there would have an investigation. Soros took the British tax payers for $10B, he could have done it with some help but who knows?
11 posted on 01/17/2010 7:31:38 AM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: opentalk

“The fact that the identities of those who simultaneously decided to withdraw their money at 11 a.m. on Sep. 18, precipitating this panic, were never released, does lead one to question whether or not something sinister was at work.” ... Some businesses are too big to fail, or be allowed to fail, as in the unions would be too heavily impacted. Well, the details of this thuggery are traceable because with every withdrawal there had ot be a target transfer. But we see that the truth of it is being avoided. Someone/something is too big to be exposed, too big to be investigated. We the people are no longer the sovereigns. We are the subjects living under a federal oligarchy.


12 posted on 01/17/2010 7:34:53 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: opentalk
Always wondered about this event. It's not possible to hide who it is because of electronic transfer records. Something this big would be very visible to the right people.

But they're not talking. Why is that, do you think?

13 posted on 01/17/2010 7:35:56 AM PST by paulycy (The Liberals' DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE CRIMES.)
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To: opentalk
There's been deafening silence on this since it happened.

It does need to pushed to the forefront; maybe there'll be renewed Congressional interest in it around, say, November 2010.

14 posted on 01/17/2010 7:36:28 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: opentalk

Soros has his fingerprints all over this.....ensuring a ‘Rat victory and shoving socialism down our throats.....the timing and depth of this event was done on purpose....This event was engineered from the get go as the ‘Rat’s “October surprise”….and it will lead to their demise. Let the investigation begin and end at the hangman’s noose. This was done to us on purpose to ensure the commie takeover.


15 posted on 01/17/2010 7:37:17 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: opentalk

It’s their money. They can take it out any time they wish. If the banks can’t cover it, that’s their own dam stupid worthless fault. Quit making bad loans.

I still would like to know who the people were though, and where the bulk of the money went. My suspicion is middle east oil tycoons. They’ve been talking about an oil bourse trading in petro dollars for awhile. I think they saw their chance to weaken the dollar and loosen it’s grip on the oil markets.


16 posted on 01/17/2010 7:38:15 AM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: opentalk

Deep capture covers this. Almost certainly hedge funds with short position.


17 posted on 01/17/2010 7:38:41 AM PST by Grim (I'm voting for Sarah)
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To: homegroan

No.


18 posted on 01/17/2010 7:38:44 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (usff.com)
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To: opentalk

Soros and friends?

Goldman?

Axelrod?

Rahm?

oh the list just goes on and on ...


19 posted on 01/17/2010 7:40:52 AM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: opentalk

“no one seems to care about the dimensions of this event.”

of course not...
“Bush’s Fault!!(tm)” is all you need to know!!

My tin-hatted opinion?

McCain was up TWO and rising. Some Middle Eastern Dubai-based sources wanted to make sure Obama became President.

ANOTHER thing you will never hear about in the media is how Democrat-supporting Goldman-Sach’s was manipulating Oil Speculation markets in late-2007/2008. Note how fast Pelosi’s “Evil Oil Companies!” hearings ended when that tidbit came out?


20 posted on 01/17/2010 7:42:02 AM PST by tcrlaf (Obama White House=Tammany Hall on the National Mall)
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To: y6162

Ping


21 posted on 01/17/2010 7:42:34 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: opentalk

Oh good grief. It wasn’t a conspiracy. It wasn’t terrorism. It’s not even a secret.

The money was withdrawn because one of the larger Money Market companies “broke the buck” because the manager was investing in risky securities instead of in safe products.

Since Money Market accounts weren’t insured back then, everyone panicked and withdrew their money so that they wouldn’t get stuck with the loss.

That’s why there was a massive electronic run.

Really, some of you people are looking for conspiracies as if they are Easter Egg hunts.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2008/09/the-credit-cris.html


22 posted on 01/17/2010 7:42:57 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: opentalk

Soros shorted the USA after driving crude to $140 per barrel. Can anyone say October surprise?


23 posted on 01/17/2010 7:44:23 AM PST by maddogtiger
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To: opentalk

It is impossible for the transactions that drove this withdrawal to remain anonymous. I find that the timing of the withdrawals seem to coincide with a surge of john McCain in the polls. We, the American people need to know where these orders to withdraw originated and where was the money transferred to. If the economy can be blown to bits by actions such as this, we need to know so it cannot be replicated in the future. Perhaps, we will see a replay of this for the 2010 elections.


24 posted on 01/17/2010 7:44:26 AM PST by taxpayer99
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To: MHGinTN
Someone/something is too big to be exposed, too big to be investigated. We the people are no longer the sovereigns. We are the subjects living under a federal oligarchy.

Sunlight seems to be the only way to change it. The Fed has to know, which makes it even more disturbing.

25 posted on 01/17/2010 7:44:31 AM PST by opentalk
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To: opentalk

btt


26 posted on 01/17/2010 7:44:41 AM PST by KSCITYBOY
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To: silverleaf

I only saw a small blurb about it way back. I have always wondered who stole the money.


27 posted on 01/17/2010 7:45:18 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: opentalk
There wan an article called "A Contrived Crisis" that used to be available through Google but I can't seem to find it now. (maybe someone here has it)

It described the events of early in 08 including Schummer causing the run on Indy Mack and the Feds setting a precedent of saving the banks as well as some other curious events before Sept. 18th.

It's also curious to note that the events of Sept. 18th all but guaranteed zer0's election as it was just 6 weeks before people voted.

We got set up for a commie takeover, no doubt in my mind.

28 posted on 01/17/2010 7:47:30 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM where are you?)
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To: taxpayer99
We, the American people need to know where these orders to withdraw originated and where was the money transferred to.

I wonder if a FOIA would apply.

29 posted on 01/17/2010 7:47:52 AM PST by opentalk
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To: Southack

I didn’t know we were all suppose to be finance experts. /s


30 posted on 01/17/2010 7:49:00 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: opentalk

During the spring and summer of 2008, when someone explained to me how shaky the underpinnings of traded short term deposits were, I made sure the money market component of my modest brokerage account was transferred to my bank (FDIC checking account) and essentially did the same with variable annuities by making sure that there was little or no “fixed” or bond component in the funds selected. It turned out that only about $3,000 was at risk, but what the heck, anything not FDIC insured should be looked at carefully in these hazardous economic times.

The brokerage money market rates are sometimes negative even now, partly, they tell me, because of the expense of SEC paper work, prospectuses, etc.


31 posted on 01/17/2010 7:50:17 AM PST by Mobties
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To: MHGinTN

Someone/something is too big to be exposed, too big to be investigated. We the people are no longer the sovereigns. We are the subjects living under a federal oligarchy.

Remember all the snide cynicism on FR about conspiracy and the tin foil hat crap.

There are very sinister things going on, and the Media is complicit. John McCain was a red herring.

The solution is quite direct - Dismantle the revenue and authority of the US Federal Government to the Constitutional level originally intended. And don't allow illegal immigration. There will still be a "united states," but within those parameters the States, the Communities, the Family, the Individual, can prosper, dealing with our own decisions. For education and social services that pathway is obvious.

32 posted on 01/17/2010 7:50:35 AM PST by jnsun (The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Goldfinger?


33 posted on 01/17/2010 7:53:35 AM PST by screaminsunshine
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To: freekitty

No honey, you’re just supposed to know to go to google.com and type in whatever it is that you are questioning.

That’s all that I did. One google search and I had the answer to why there was a run in September of 2008.

It’s like going to Snopes whenever you get a conspiracy chain email letter.

It’s really easy to do research in the Internet Age.


34 posted on 01/17/2010 7:55:39 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Mobties

The money this article is talking about was transfered out of the US, though. I think.


35 posted on 01/17/2010 7:55:56 AM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Southack

Why at 11:00 on the 18th? The blog you link was written on the 16th.


36 posted on 01/17/2010 8:00:26 AM PST by listenhillary (FU Cass Sunstein - You are the embodiment of evil)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Out of no-where, in the space of less than 2 hours, the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous drawdown of money market accounts
A Contrived Crisis? - You Decide
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/8713


37 posted on 01/17/2010 8:00:39 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Southack
As I recall, there was an article posted to FR multiple times in March 2008 re: an economic collapse that might entail martial law. The article stated the WH had a meeting about this possibility. And the reason given as the catalyst for the collapse was a French bank (?) having to raise its interest rates(?) in February-this was considered an event that could start a chain reaction leading to the collapse, as other banks would have to change rates in response, which would impact the credit markets, which would have a negative effect on many businesses that were already overextended and needed easy credit, which would-

I'm sorry I no longer have any of the threads that referenced the French beginning of the market collapse .I am posting from memory, which is the reason for the (?)s. I remember that a Freeper (was it you?) mentioned it some months back in rebuttal to a conspiracy theory post blaming Soros and other conspirators for taking out money to create a BHO victory.That poster stated that since August, s/he and other coworkers had been braced for an electronic run-that the markets were so fragile that anything might set off the run, and then the run would snowball as everyone would try to get out first . Then the event to which you allude took place, and the rest is history.

I am sorry now that I did not save that freeper's post, as I am not in any way, shape ,or form in the markets, and so I can only post what I can recall of a post I read ages ago. :-(

38 posted on 01/17/2010 8:01:53 AM PST by kaylar (It's MARTIAL law. Not marshal(l) or marital-MARTIAL! This has been a spelling PSA.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

That’s the one, thank you~


39 posted on 01/17/2010 8:06:14 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM where are you?)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Great Article , from your link:

Color me paranoid. Was this current crisis manufactured? I don’t know. Does the possibility exist? You decide.

* Six months later, Jan 2, 2009, a seven-member group of investors agreed to buy the remnants of failed lender IndyMac for $13.9 billion. Other investors included a fund controlled by billionaire George Soros’ Fund Management

40 posted on 01/17/2010 8:08:35 AM PST by opentalk
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To: opentalk
08/18/08 was an inside job

(and Bush was not on the inside)


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

41 posted on 01/17/2010 8:27:33 AM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: opentalk

But the Fed is private, not part of the federal government.


42 posted on 01/17/2010 8:33:15 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: opentalk

Interesting is that there are no GOP Talk show hosts or Fox News even mentioning this.

And, I do not think this was done to smite Bush or cost McCain the election. I think this was done by the international financiers to get bailout money....the current Liberal Free Trade Globalist economy is tanking...and cannot sustain itself.

Note that Soros, Bush 41 and 43, the Clintons, Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, John McCain, Barack Obama, a large number of the DNC and GOP Congress....are all Liberal Free Trader Globalists....they think Globally instead of American when it comes to economics.

Until we rid ourselves of internationalism....we are always going to have these problems. If you are still supporting Liberal Free Trade Globalism and International Economics of any sort.....you tacitly approve such doings....and also, you are an Economic Anti-American


43 posted on 01/17/2010 8:36:14 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Nothing wrong with liking America....)
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To: Southack

You had the answers to whatever article you were reading.


44 posted on 01/17/2010 8:44:14 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
Until we rid ourselves of internationalism....we are always going to have these problems

This may be part of the reason they are threaten by Sarah Palin. She has the ability to rally people behind serving America and not internationalism

45 posted on 01/17/2010 8:45:49 AM PST by opentalk
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To: opentalk
Its your article so feel free to ping interested parties to this post: Federal Reseve Board - Freedom of Information Office
Excerpt links are live on link above ...

The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. § 552, generally provides that any person has a right of access to federal agency records, unless the records (or any portion of the records) are protected from disclosure by one of FOIA's nine exemptions or by one of three special law enforcement record exclusions.

The Federal Reserve Board (Board) maintains public and nonpublic records. Public records are available at the Board's conventional reading room and electronic reading room. A FOIA request is not required to obtain these materials.

The submission of a FOIA request is required to obtain nonpublic records. If you cannot locate the records or information you seek on the Board's web site, you may wish to file a FOIA request (making a request).

46 posted on 01/17/2010 9:07:33 AM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: y6162; All

> George Soros

That's just crazy talk < /sarc>

Just like the issue of $778 million ($150 million in September 2008) in campaign dollars that Obama received in 2008, much of it coming from 37,000 foreign sources, mostly through untraceable, one-time use cash gift cards (source Obama's Secret Campaign Cash: Has $63 Million Flowed from Foreign Sources?).

The FEC surely would have revealed a scandal by now, if only Obama hadn't been the first major presidential candidate in American history NOT to accept funds from the Presidential Election Campaign Funds ... and therefore NOT subject to any FEC investigation.

Foreign donations to Obama's campaign ... indeed.

KSM
Kowtow.jpg King A bow Obama bows in Shanghai

47 posted on 01/17/2010 9:11:31 AM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: homegroan

I believe it would be traceable and feel it would go right to the string pullers of the current admin. This crisis was probably created to set the stage for their manipulation of the financial industry. And GWB took the bait and set the ball rolling.


48 posted on 01/17/2010 9:11:52 AM PST by mcshot (Son of Liberty.)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Praise be to GOD!


49 posted on 01/17/2010 9:13:59 AM PST by mcshot (Son of Liberty.)
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To: opentalk

Is this connected to the stories about the Russians getting into our financial systems and stealing billions?


50 posted on 01/17/2010 9:21:59 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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