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Homes evacuated in Texas as ground shifts below (San Antonio)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 1/25/10 | AP

Posted on 01/25/2010 10:22:53 AM PST by NormsRevenge

SAN ANTONIO – Dozens of homes were evacuated in San Antonio after the ground below began shifting, creating crevices up to 15 feet deep and nearly splitting a nearby retaining wall in half, officials said.

About 80 homes were first evacuated on Sunday after residents in a northwest side subdivision reported that the ground was caving behind several houses. No one was injured.

The large crack in the retaining wall sent soil tumbling out below. Fences were tossed askew and crumpled like accordions, and aerial photos showed land had given way near the foundations of several homes.

Engineers at the scene Monday were trying to determine why the ground was shifting and how much damage it could cause.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: sanantonio; sinkhole; texas
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To: BA63

I just get a kick out of the technical terms “alluvial fill” and “retreating scarp!”


21 posted on 01/25/2010 10:57:17 AM PST by Mengerian
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To: Mengerian
Geologist. Alluvium is just water laid sediment; it typically fills topographic basins in arid climates. Sometimes, ground water is pumped from alluvium, compacting the deposit and causing settling (subsidence). When that happens, cracks can develop in the overlying alluvial fill, usually over buried outcrops and ledges.

All scarps erode back or "retreat." If you build on a deposit near one, you better be sure that the rates of scarp retreat are longer than human lifespans.

22 posted on 01/25/2010 10:58:32 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: Cincinatus
you better be sure that the rates of scarp retreat are longer than human lifespans.

The World According to Scarp.

23 posted on 01/25/2010 11:01:12 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: NormsRevenge

Holy Cow! Those are some pretty tall ‘retaining walls’.

I’ve seen many developments like this ... the developers find it easier to do monumental terracing in order to build their cookie-cutter desig slab-on-grade houses (designed for flat lots) than to work with the natural terrain and build homes actually designed for non-flat lots.

Looks like the plan is not working out so well.


24 posted on 01/25/2010 11:01:15 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: Cincinatus

It is always good to learn something new everyday!

Must be an intriguing profession. I genuinely appreciate the interesting facts.


25 posted on 01/25/2010 11:02:53 AM PST by Mengerian
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To: Mengerian
Civil engineer or geologist? I’ve never heard those terms before.

What he said was they were built on dirt that was hauled in. That is why there is a retaining wall that "is supposed" to keep the alluvial fill (dirt) from slumping down the hill.

Now the short version:

Bad construction and engineering.

26 posted on 01/25/2010 11:02:55 AM PST by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: cpdiii

“Value engineering” is probably closer to the truth.


27 posted on 01/25/2010 11:03:59 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: HerrBlucher
He is probably an Engineering Geologist.

Talk about internal conflict. Like a dog that's a Chow/Lab mix. Doesn't know whether to lick you to death or rip your face off.

28 posted on 01/25/2010 11:07:16 AM PST by CholeraJoe (Deja Moo - The feeling that you have heard this BS before.)
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To: kitkat

No, not any underground mines in San Antonio - We are on top of old limestone here, and all quarries are open pit.

Fiesta Texas, for example, is built inside an old gravel pit.


29 posted on 01/25/2010 11:07:25 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: All

Good old San Antonio again. A few years ago in another subdivision home foundations were cracking a emitting fumes from an old dump they built the development over.


30 posted on 01/25/2010 11:07:51 AM PST by securityman
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To: dirtboy

You’re all mistaken, when they checked with o-bow-man he said it was all Bush’s fault.

There that mystery is solved by the chosen one.


31 posted on 01/25/2010 11:07:59 AM PST by chiefqc
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To: cpdiii
What he said was they were built on dirt that was hauled in.

It may not have been hauled in -- they could have just used a bulldozer to sculpt out house sites without doing a thorough geological study. I'm sensing big-time lawsuits a'comin'

Bad construction and engineering.

Spot on.

32 posted on 01/25/2010 11:08:05 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: NormsRevenge

33 posted on 01/25/2010 11:10:05 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I think I caused it when I buried my life savings in the backyard where the interest rate happens to be higher than at the bank. I just didn’t expect such a small hole to cause such a big problem.


34 posted on 01/25/2010 11:13:21 AM PST by cajuncow
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To: Lorianne

That retaining wall appears to be about 20 feet tall. If the fill was not properly compacted and becomes wet with rain it will behave like a very thick fluid. Assuming the specific gravity of the fill is 2.0 you could easily have 25 psi at the bottom of the retaining wall pushing out. That would mean a force of over 3000 lbs on each square foot.


35 posted on 01/25/2010 11:13:28 AM PST by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: Mengerian
I agree (I learn everyday too), I work with and around Engineers and Geologists everyday and have done so for the last 20+ years. He is correct on his descriptions and I for one would agree with his opinion on what is happening to cause this. In Florida, we call this a sinkhole, athough you'd be hardpressed to find anything considered alluvial here! And yes sometimes, we can cause these things to happen.

Can't help but notice what looks like a residential development of some sort in the picture?

36 posted on 01/25/2010 11:20:58 AM PST by BA63
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To: Cincinatus

Looking a couple of photos and this description it appears the slope of the hill is moving downward. Sounds like poor planning/etc in the developmental stages.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/Sinkhole_prompts_evacuation_on_Northwest_Side.html
Authorities evacuated about 80 homes in a Northwest Side neighborhood Sunday when ground caved in behind several houses, pushing earth down a 30-foot hill and into two retaining walls that cracked and threatened residences below.

No one was injured, and agencies acted quickly to address the endangered homes near West Hausman Road and Loop 1604.

Describing the collapse as a “slope failure,” authorities at a Sunday night meeting told residents from The Hills at Rivermist subdivision that in some areas the crevices grew to 12 to 15 feet deep and 6 to 8 feet wide. But they didn’t know the cause.
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a home vid but very shaky shows the slope;

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/4200736

A better view showing the area and homes: Note Oak Water that is where some of them were supposedly: Note retaining walls.

http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/0.6002=q:ranchwell+cove,+san+antonio,+tx:lat:32.7886733981194:long:-79.986000061:nosp:0:adj:0&o=&a=0&p=c/5872/style=be&lat=nxsbr9&lon=6sc8vn&alt=262.80011&z=19&h=98.09854&pid=5874


37 posted on 01/25/2010 11:28:36 AM PST by deport (36 DAYS UNTIL THE TEXAS PRIMARY....... MARCH 2, 2010)
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To: HerrBlucher

or a Geoengineologist


38 posted on 01/25/2010 11:28:47 AM PST by Pajama Blogger (Pajama Power)
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To: Mengerian

Not even close dude, in Armageddon Bruce Willis and a crew of misfits had to blow up a huge asteroid before it hit Earth. This is a lot more like Earthquake, where Charlton Heston and Ava Gardner try to survive after a huge earthquake hits Los Angeles.


39 posted on 01/25/2010 11:51:19 AM PST by DCBurgess58 (In a Capitalist society, men exploit other men. In a Communist society it's exactly the opposite.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I feel that I was denied CRITICAL, Need-to-Know Information.


40 posted on 01/25/2010 11:51:19 AM PST by VRWCmember
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