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I shot US abortion doctor to protect children, Scott Roeder tells court
Guardian ^ | 28 January 2010 | Ed Pilkington

Posted on 01/28/2010 12:16:12 PM PST by Ben Mugged

A self-proclaimed born-again Christian who believes all abortions are a sin told his trial for murder today that he shot dead an abortion doctor in Wichita, Kansas, to protect unborn children.

Scott Roeder said he had bought a .22-calibre Taurus gun and ammunition on 30 May 2009, the day before he shot George Tiller, and practised target shooting with his brother. Then he checked into a motel in Wichita, and the next day followed Tiller to the church in the town where the doctor was an usher.

His defence lawyer asked: "Did you go and shoot Dr Tiller?"

Roeder replied: "Yes."

His confession is part of his defence that he felt forced to kill in order to save the lives of unborn children. He has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder.

It is the first time in US legal history that a violent anti-abortionist has been allowed to present the jury with his justification for murder.

The judge in the case, Warren Wilbert, caused dismay among pro-abortionists and doctors this month when he ruled that Roeder would be allowed to present his justification to the court. Wilbert will decide later in the trial in Kansas whether the jury will be permitted to find the defendant guilty of the lesser crime of manslaughter.

Tiller was killed in the Reformation Lutheran church with one shot to the head. He had long been a target for anti-abortionists as he was one of few doctors prepared to perform legal late abortions, after 21 weeks of gestation.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: 2savelives; abortion; abortionists; babykillerkilled; churchshooting; doctrineofnecessity; justifiablehomicide; justwar; killedbabykiller; necessitydefense; selfdefense; tiller; wichita
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To: Ben Mugged

Anyone that condemns this man for believing his faith 100% isn’t a believer.

That said, the state will impose it’s will through it’s laws.

He is guilty of going outside the law, but he and others have observed that political appointees have systematically ensured the law doesn’t work to protect children even when it appears the law is clear.

I think if I was on the jury, the difference between a not guilty and me wanting the death penalty for this guy would hinge on whether it is true that the system of laws had indeed broken down and the system had become a political tool.

If the system of laws had become a political tool, violence may be the only avenue left against political oppression of the judiciary.

Anyways, this is where I draw the line. I don’t know what is true in this case, but if on the jury I would have to discover the truth.

I would have to have a lot of evidence that a reasonable person could reach the same conclusion before I would let this guy get a pass though.


41 posted on 01/28/2010 12:39:00 PM PST by dila813
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To: LearsFool
"Sounds like a good argument...for the defense at Nuremberg."

Sounds like the most idiotic statement I've read in a while. Congratulations.

42 posted on 01/28/2010 12:40:00 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
German was a totalitarian dictatorship devoid of law except those dictated by the Fuhrer. We are a representative republic, with laws written by for and of the people.

I see. Its better when more than one person gives it the stamp of approval.

43 posted on 01/28/2010 12:40:22 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: OldDeckHand
No one in THIS country gets to break the laws of the people out of some notion of moral superiority.

righto. I think the very concept of "law" -- and certainly as it was understood by the founders -- was not rooted in pantheism or moral equivalence.

There was a particular God who inspired the Judeo-Christian structure of western civilization, and you apparently are content to ignore or deny that fact, even as you benefit from it.

44 posted on 01/28/2010 12:40:23 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (governance is not sovereignty [paraphrasing Bishop Fulton Sheen].)
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To: trumandogz

Really?


45 posted on 01/28/2010 12:40:54 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Anti-Utopian

I guess you’re not paying attention.


46 posted on 01/28/2010 12:41:15 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (governance is not sovereignty [paraphrasing Bishop Fulton Sheen].)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

“I wouldn’t ever murder anyone but who’s to say he didn’t save many lives?”

I really do not think we want to introduce “I killed a guy because I thought that my doing so would may save other lives” into our legal system as an accepted defense.


47 posted on 01/28/2010 12:41:50 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Ben Mugged
It is the first time in US legal history that a violent anti-abortionist has been allowed to present the jury with his justification for murder.

Wow. Imagine being the accused being able to state his case in an American court of law!

48 posted on 01/28/2010 12:42:16 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (governance is not sovereignty [paraphrasing Bishop Fulton Sheen].)
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To: OldDeckHand
We are a representative republic, with laws written by for and of the people.

...And overturned by a Supreme Court majority.
49 posted on 01/28/2010 12:42:20 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: OldDeckHand

After watching Congress last year dealing with healthcare do you really believe your statement?


50 posted on 01/28/2010 12:42:25 PM PST by Wahoo82
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To: Ben Mugged

I think a reflection on Just War Theory might add something to the analysis.


51 posted on 01/28/2010 12:44:06 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (governance is not sovereignty [paraphrasing Bishop Fulton Sheen].)
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To: trumandogz
I would say a better defense than temporary insanity.
52 posted on 01/28/2010 12:44:23 PM PST by Wahoo82
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To: Joe 6-pack

i love it when intelligent people show up.


53 posted on 01/28/2010 12:45:38 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (governance is not sovereignty [paraphrasing Bishop Fulton Sheen].)
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To: the invisib1e hand
I think a reflection on Just War Theory might add something to the analysis.

Or a refresher on the whole purpose of government, as stated in the Declaration - "to secure these rights" of life, etc.
54 posted on 01/28/2010 12:46:11 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: OldDeckHand
We are a nation of laws and NOT a nation of theocrats . Right now, abortion is legal in this country.

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If you have ever read Roe you would know that you are completely wrong in that statement; Roe contains explicit language that , with todays medical knowledge , nullifies it's own arguments in favor of abortion on demand and calls for itself to be struck down. It would be far more accurate to say that abortion is explicitly legal only in certain states such as California and NY that have their own laws on the subject.

P.S. Your "theocrat" attack stance you immediately took shows you to be the liberal hack lawyer you have shown yourself to be in so many threads ... Do you really think that if we had no religon we wouldn't have laws against murder?

55 posted on 01/28/2010 12:46:11 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: the invisib1e hand
"There was a particular God who inspired the Judeo-Christian structure of western civilization, and you apparently are content to ignore or deny that fact, even as you benefit from it. "

Hardly. What I'm not willing to do is accept your, or anyone else's, perceived right to ignore the law when you think you're acting out of a position of moral equivalence.

The people who murder 3,000 American on 9/11 also thought they were morally superior. Does that give them a right to murder at will, because they believe their God approves? If you had any intellectual honesty, you'd have to say yes.

56 posted on 01/28/2010 12:46:25 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: trumandogz
I really do not think we want to introduce “I killed a guy because I thought that my doing so would may save other lives” into our legal system as an accepted defense.

Correct. They guy killed somebody. He should be prosecuted. Just saying, and for clarity's sake I'll add the following to my original statement, "in my eyes" he's no more or less guilty than the abortionists.

57 posted on 01/28/2010 12:46:26 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Neidermeyer
" Do you really think that if we had no religon we wouldn't have laws against murder? "

I'd appreciate it if you allow me to author my own posts. I said no such thing. Put your straw-man up against someone else. I'm not engaging your idiotic argument.

58 posted on 01/28/2010 12:48:14 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Ben Mugged
http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/

Above URL has both video and text of several parts of the trial.

59 posted on 01/28/2010 12:48:23 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: Cheetahcat
Well the Lefty's and Atheists have Killed 40 Million

It's now estimated at 52 million.

60 posted on 01/28/2010 12:50:56 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (governance is not sovereignty [paraphrasing Bishop Fulton Sheen].)
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