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(IRS)Buying 14' Combat Shotguns.
Fed Gov.com ^ | 02/02/10 | staff

Posted on 02/03/2010 6:41:12 AM PST by Leisler

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To: SnakeDoctor
True enough. However, there will still be irresponsible boneheads that don’t pay-up on the fair tax.

Why are they irresponsible boneheads? Why is it irresponsible to comply with someone stealing from you? I only comply with the income tax out of fear.

The IRS is America's Gestapo. It should be abolished. The 16th amendment should be repealed. The federal government does not have the moral authority to steal. They just have more and bigger guns and can kill people with impunity.

41 posted on 02/03/2010 7:43:55 AM PST by MichiganConservative (I wouldn't hate the government if it didn't exist. (Evil + Stupid) === Government)
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To: Leisler

Just like a common criminal, they stick a gun in your face and you VOLINTARILY give them your possessions. That’s our gubment.


42 posted on 02/03/2010 7:44:24 AM PST by drypowder
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To: Leisler

870 bump ‡


43 posted on 02/03/2010 7:46:05 AM PST by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

They probably know only one verse- that ‘render unto Caesar’ deal is popular with leftists. Probably the only Bible verse they know by memory.


44 posted on 02/03/2010 7:47:08 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: hoosierham
-- If 14 inch shotgun barrels are government approved for their agents then we all should be able to have one if we want. --

The District Court held that section 11 of the [1934 National Firearms] Act violates the Second Amendment. It accordingly ... quashed the indictment. ...

In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length' at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense.

US v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939)

That was then. 1) Miller's indictment was quashed, and 2) the Supreme Court had no evidence regarding the efficacy of short barrel shotguns, and because it had no evidence, it COULD NOT SAY whether or not the 2nd amendment protected the forbidden weapon. If a Court had evidence that a short barrel shotgun met any of the several criteria the Supreme Court outlined, and if it followed the instructions of the Miller case, it would find, as did the court below in the Miller case, that the 1934 NFA ban on short barrel shotguns was unconstitutional.

Fast forward to 2008, and behold the Supreme Court butchering its own precedent.

The judgment in the [Miller] case upheld against a Second Amendment challenge two men's federal convictions for transporting an unregistered short-barreled shotgun in interstate commerce, in violation of the National Firearms Act ... It is entirely clear that the Court's basis for saying that the Second Amendment did not apply was ... that the type of weapon at issue was not eligible for Second Amendment protection.

District of Columbia v. Heller, No. 07-290 (2008)

My point being that the federal government is corrupt to the core. It draws it's "legitimacy" only from the credible threat of use of force against its subjects. It's position as superior against the people is morally void.

45 posted on 02/03/2010 7:47:59 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Leisler; Taxman; Principled; EternalVigilance; phil_will1; kevkrom; Bigun; PeteB570; FBD; ...
So the government confiscates our money before seeing our paychecks in order to purchase heavy firepower to use against the very people who fund their organization thereby strengthening the $11 billion leviathan that enforces an out of control, increasingly intrusive system consisting of more than 67,000 pages no one, even the IRS, can decipher.

Stop the insanity by insisting your Congress critters pass the Fair Tax Act(HR25/S296) that will replace all federal income taxes and abolish the IRS! Fair Tax ping!


46 posted on 02/03/2010 7:49:40 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: SnakeDoctor

They can do it through peaceful means, not violence against citizens.


47 posted on 02/03/2010 7:51:25 AM PST by AlmaKing
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To: Leisler

Typo correction: The Fair Tax will replace all federal income taxes with a national sales tax and abolish the IRS.


48 posted on 02/03/2010 7:53:29 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: tlb
. . . the weapon of choice was shotguns.

Because IRS agents couldn't hit the side of a barn with a rifle? Or maybe they are going squirrel hunting?

49 posted on 02/03/2010 7:54:53 AM PST by sportutegrl (VETO PROOF MAJORITY)
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To: CrazyIvan

According to my Mossberg catalog law enforcement is going to
the 14” shotgun because squad cars have become smaller and
this size works better to store and access.

LOL! What are they gonna do when Obama’s EPA decrees all squad cars must be Cooper Minis?


50 posted on 02/03/2010 7:55:31 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: MichiganConservative

Why are they irresponsible boneheads? Why is it irresponsible to comply with someone stealing from you? I only comply with the income tax out of fear.

Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s. Taxation is not theft — excessive taxation is theft. The people are Constitutionally required to pay for the proper functions of government ... particularly national security.

>> The IRS is America’s Gestapo. It should be abolished. The 16th amendment should be repealed. The federal government does not have the moral authority to steal. They just have more and bigger guns and can kill people with impunity.

I agree with the abolishment of the income tax — but you can’t abolish all taxes. The IRS can be abolished for all I care — but, even when the government functions properly, there will always have to be an agency in charge of collecting taxes and there will always have to be punishments for non-compliance with whatever tax is in place.

A law without a consequence for violation is not a law ... taxes should be as low as possible, but cannot be optional.

SnakeDoc


51 posted on 02/03/2010 7:56:26 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Life is tough; it's tougher if you're stupid. -- John Wayne)
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To: Repeal The 17th

You need to order the roof mount kit. Then you’re all set!


52 posted on 02/03/2010 7:56:44 AM PST by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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To: AlmaKing

Most of the time, they can do it peacefully ... usually they do.

Sometimes they can’t do it through peaceful means. There is a lot of corruption in the IRS ... but there are also a lot of people that intentionally evade taxes or ignore tax laws, and some that violently resist collection. When met with violence, a guy with a briefcase won’t due.

SnakeDoc


53 posted on 02/03/2010 7:58:54 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Life is tough; it's tougher if you're stupid. -- John Wayne)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Get a bigger truck.


54 posted on 02/03/2010 7:58:56 AM PST by Erasmus (<under construction>)
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To: Leisler

Like I tell my kids. Every year I pay my taxes at gunpoint. This just proves that I am right.


55 posted on 02/03/2010 8:02:17 AM PST by tpmintx (Liberalism: Envy, backed by governmental authority. (I'm green; are you?))
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To: Leisler
A fourteen foot shotgun would be like an 18 INCH Stonehendge:


56 posted on 02/03/2010 8:02:23 AM PST by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: elcid1970

would it be irony if you didn’t pay your $200 tax for a short-barreled shotgun and the IRS came to collect... with a short -barreled shotgun?


57 posted on 02/03/2010 8:03:40 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: Leisler

Why is this RFI/RFQ/RFP procurement process even being used? It’s sure to add a few hundred percent to the purchase price. Just go straight to Remington and negotiate a volume discount. Even spec’d out the way they are, the overall price per unit can’t be much more than $500 per copy. With all the bid nonsense added in, they’ll easily go to $2K-3K each. The overall bid is probably worth less than $50K. What a waste of time and money.


58 posted on 02/03/2010 8:06:09 AM PST by CTOCS (I live in my own little world. But, it's okay. They know me there....)
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Our new tax collector!
59 posted on 02/03/2010 8:06:38 AM PST by I Hate Obama ("Sorry I had a fight in the middle of your Black Panther Party." -Forest Gump)
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To: Man50D

Beyond the fact that the IRS is armed at all, I don’t see a problem here. I can buy pretty much the same weapon (I think my barrels have to 18” or longer) so what’s the big deal?

Now if they were buying RAWs, Bradleys, LAVs, and/or helicopter gunships, and running their auditors through urban assault training, I’d have an issue.


60 posted on 02/03/2010 8:07:24 AM PST by Little Ray (Madame President sounds really good to me...)
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