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Forests Are Growing Faster, Ecologists Discover; Climate Change Appears to Be Driving Acc'd Growth
ScienceDaily ^ | 2/2/10 | ScienceDaily

Posted on 02/03/2010 8:38:13 AM PST by Upstate NY Guy

ScienceDaily (Feb. 2, 2010) — Speed is not a word typically associated with trees; they can take centuries to grow. However, a new study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences has found evidence that forests in the Eastern United States are growing faster than they have in the past 225 years. The study offers a rare look at how an ecosystem is responding to climate change...

Sean McMahon discovered that, on average, the forest is growing an additional 2 tons per acre annually. That is the equivalent of a tree with a diameter of 2 feet sprouting up over a year.

Forests and their soils store the majority of the Earth's terrestrial carbon stock. Small changes in their growth rate can have significant ramifications in weather patterns, nutrient cycles, climate change and biodiversity. Exactly how these systems will be affected remains to be studied.

Parker and McMahon's paper focuses on the drivers of the accelerated tree growth. The chief culprit appears to be climate change, more specifically, the rising levels of atmospheric CO2, higher temperatures and longer growing seasons...

(Excerpt) Read more at sciencedaily.com ...


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KEYWORDS: co2; forests; globalwarming; science
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Gee, amazing. The natural enviroment has no problem dealing with variables in the atmosphere.
1 posted on 02/03/2010 8:38:15 AM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Upstate NY Guy
Does this mean the CO2 is being gobbled up and trees are producing too much oxygen?

Oh, the horror..........

2 posted on 02/03/2010 8:40:04 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Massive frauds do not apply to trees -— you cannot TAX THEM !!!!


3 posted on 02/03/2010 8:40:41 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Quick, let’s fork over billions to the UN for a further study on how this affects developing nations. Let’s start with a new 10 year 400 billion euro case study. We’ll get back to you in 2020.


4 posted on 02/03/2010 8:41:55 AM PST by poobear
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Joyce Kilmer. 1886–1918

Trees

I THINK that I shall never see
A poem lovely as a tree.

A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
Against the sweet earth’s flowing breast;

A tree that looks at God all day, 5
And lifts her leafy arms to pray;

A tree that may in summer wear
A nest of robins in her hair;

Upon whose bosom snow has lain;
Who intimately lives with rain. 10

Poems are made by fools like me,
But only God can make a tree.


5 posted on 02/03/2010 8:42:52 AM PST by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Meaning all is working as it should. The designer of this planet knew what he was doing.


6 posted on 02/03/2010 8:42:54 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Upstate NY Guy
It could not possibly be due to the fact the human beings are around to put out forest fires and develop pesticides or anything like that. Scientists would consider such things in their hypotheses, being, you know, scientists and all.
7 posted on 02/03/2010 8:43:15 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Upstate NY Guy
Headline Correction:

Forests Are Growing Faster, Ecologists Discover; Climate Change Carbon Dioxide increase Appears to Be Driving Acc'd Growth

8 posted on 02/03/2010 8:45:13 AM PST by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: Upstate NY Guy

This is pathetic. In my high school biology course back in the 50s we learned about the CO2-O2 cycle, with animals needing oxygen and plants needing carbon dioxide. This is, we were taught, a self-balancing cycle, since if it tilts one way or the other it encourages more animals or plants, bringing it back into balance. Much of the work, of course, is done by small animals and plants—bacteria, insects, plankton, and the like, that can grow pretty quickly.

I always thought that a good counter-charge to make against these whacko greenies is that by decreasing CO2 they are killing the rain forests. Which, in fact, they are doing, with their biofuel idiocies.


9 posted on 02/03/2010 8:45:25 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Lakeshark

Hi, im an upstate NY GAL


10 posted on 02/03/2010 8:47:30 AM PST by wheninthecourse
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To: Upstate NY Guy
Carbon dioxide is plant food? Who knew?

Don't tell the smart scientist types, but the vast majority of life on Earth is in the ocean, and the vast majority of that is microscopic.
11 posted on 02/03/2010 8:49:35 AM PST by Question Liberal Authority ("My...health care plan is a Bolshevik plot... which will destroy America." - Barack Obama)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Exactly.


12 posted on 02/03/2010 8:51:45 AM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Upstate NY Guy
Lately I have been reading and researching the Civil War and have been looking at many of the surviving photographs of that time. What was striking to me was how barren the landscapes seemed. Since many trees were cleared for farms, building materials, and firewood, there was a lot more open landscape than you see today. Somehow the forests reclaimed the land without the help of the Sierra Club. Seems like the environmentalists should thank the coal industry for decreasing America's dependence on domestic firewood.
13 posted on 02/03/2010 8:59:49 AM PST by Never on my watch (Liberalism has NEVER made anything better)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Oh my! What will the consequences of too much oxygen be? Ahhhh, the horror of it all!!!


14 posted on 02/03/2010 9:05:58 AM PST by marvlus
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To: Upstate NY Guy

How can this be I thought acid rain killed all the trees in the east years ago.


15 posted on 02/03/2010 9:06:32 AM PST by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: Lakeshark; forester
Does this mean the CO2 is being gobbled up and trees are producing too much oxygen?

No, it means they're packing up with tinder and burning to ashes while drying up streams and killing fish. That doesn't mean CO2 enrichment is a bad thing; just that we do have to deal with it.

16 posted on 02/03/2010 9:06:40 AM PST by Carry_Okie (They were the Slave Party then; they are the Slave Party now.)
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To: EagleUSA

Trees can’t be taxed but the state of CA. taxes me when I send them to the mill. And both the state and feds suck up income taxes.


17 posted on 02/03/2010 9:08:30 AM PST by sasquatch
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To: Cicero
Yup. Common sense and a basic understanding of biology is very rare today. When my kids took high school bio in the 90's it was loaded up with environmental extremist nonsense. Probably worse today.

The idiot global warming fanatics might be surprised to hear that trees are made of cellulose -(C6 H10 O5), the carbon coming from, of course, atmospheric CO2.

18 posted on 02/03/2010 9:09:24 AM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Upstate NY Guy

My 30-acre redwood forest has grown much faster and healthier since we did selective thinning ten years ago.

That’s the whole point of selective timber harvests.

My idiot brother has about 50 acres of untouched redwoods that look awful. They are crowding each other so much that a lot are dying. Being a tree hugger, he refuses to maintain that forest.

Stupid is as stupid does.


19 posted on 02/03/2010 9:11:13 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: Upstate NY Guy
Back when true science was still taught in schools I learned that CO2 is vital for plants and that plants will thrive in CO2 rich atmospheres. Futuristic space missions were always depicted as using algae or some form of plants to purify the air in the space craft and recycle the CO2 into food.

It stands to reason that any increases in CO2 would stimulate plant growth. By putting out forest fires and practicing reforestation there are actually more tress in many areas than there were 100 years ago ...hence a use for even more CO2. This notion that CO2 is a deadly pollutant in our atmosphere and is driving climate change is pure bunk

20 posted on 02/03/2010 9:14:13 AM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: Red Badger; zot

Kilmer was soooo non-PC. Today he would have to say “only mother earth goddess Gia” can make a tree.


21 posted on 02/03/2010 9:15:20 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Red Badger

I’m a lumberjack and I’m OK.
I sleep all night and I work all day....


22 posted on 02/03/2010 9:15:28 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: Never on my watch
Very good point. Exactly right. And burning lots of coal will help forests grow all over the world.

Free market industrialized societies lead to increased prosperity and a healthier natural environment.

23 posted on 02/03/2010 9:18:20 AM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Upstate NY Guy

“Let my poplars go!” Treebeard T. Ent


24 posted on 02/03/2010 9:19:12 AM PST by tumblindice
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To: EggsAckley

“Dominion” and “stewardship” are mandates from God.
NOT gardening the earth and letting it be natural is an affront to this mandate,

but as in all things, leftists turn God’s Will upside down.


25 posted on 02/03/2010 9:19:15 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Never on my watch

Fact:
New Hampshire in 1860 was 80% cleared for farminland.

Today NH is 80+ % forested.

There are woods all around here that have old stone walls running right through the middle of them. These woods were formerly corn fields, pastures and orchards. My property was an orchard/pasture field up until 1972. Now it is yard and woods.


26 posted on 02/03/2010 9:20:40 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: MrB

You are EggsAckley right.


27 posted on 02/03/2010 9:23:36 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: UB355

No, the ACID rain killed all the lakes.
We were told in the 1970’s that there would never be fish in some lakes in the Adirondacks EVER AGAIN.

Of course, the same people told us that we were going into another ice age in 1977/1978.


28 posted on 02/03/2010 9:24:03 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: Upstate NY Guy

As famous aviator and engineer Dick Rutan says:

“CO2 is not a pollutant, it is plant food”


29 posted on 02/03/2010 9:24:26 AM PST by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: woodbutcher1963
I'm trying to find the problem....More trees for more people who live in wood houses and buy wood furniture etc etc etc....

The "no real problem" will surely mandate more grant money for these damn scientists who live off the grants.

30 posted on 02/03/2010 9:25:19 AM PST by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: Lakeshark

“Does this mean the CO2 is being gobbled up and trees are producing too much oxygen?”

That’s exact;y what it means.

The “science” of man-made global warming never got the facts right, about how much CO2 is, and can be re-absorbed in the biological environment, and extracted from the atmosphere in that regard.

With that error they have greatly overstated how much “additional” CO2 remains, will remain the atmosphere - in the “greenhouse”.


31 posted on 02/03/2010 9:42:41 AM PST by Wuli
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To: MrB

The obvious answer to this affront to socialist diatribe is to cut down the trees so they don’t derive any benefit from excess CO2.


32 posted on 02/03/2010 9:46:15 AM PST by Pecos
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To: wheninthecourse

As opposed to an upstate NY guy?


33 posted on 02/03/2010 9:46:35 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: EggsAckley

You would enjoy reading carry_okie’s book “Shemitta”. Check it out.


34 posted on 02/03/2010 9:58:15 AM PST by WVNan (.)
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To: Upstate NY Guy
Gee, amazing. The natural enviroment has no problem dealing with variables in the atmosphere.

Since the first Surveyor satellite was launched in 1968, satellite surveys have consistently logged small year-to-year increases in the portion of the earth that is covered by forests.

This fact has been known for some years. But, somehow, it has never become part of the conversation on "climate change".

35 posted on 02/03/2010 9:59:26 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Lakeshark

Me thinks the reply was meant for post #1


36 posted on 02/03/2010 10:00:03 AM PST by sasquatch
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To: woodbutcher1963

You watch Ax Men on History Channel?..................


37 posted on 02/03/2010 10:04:21 AM PST by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: WVNan

Already got it.......great book. Smart guy. We’re both in the same locale.


38 posted on 02/03/2010 10:06:34 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: Upstate NY Guy
Most plants are c02 starved. Some plants have a secondary pathway for photosynthesis but it takes more energy to capture the c02. At one time florists pumped co2 into green houses to stimulate growth.
39 posted on 02/03/2010 10:10:44 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: Cicero
In my high school biology course back in the 50s we learned about the CO2-O2 cycle

It doesn't appear to be taught anymore. Just talked with a college student awhile back on this and got a blank stare.
40 posted on 02/03/2010 10:12:32 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: EggsAckley

>> My 30-acre redwood forest has grown much faster and healthier since we did selective thinning ten years ago. <<

All our national forests should be managed this way. It would cut down on forest fires and get timber to boot. Plus it would promote a healthy forest without fire.


41 posted on 02/03/2010 10:15:14 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Don’t forget, the trees that the paper and lumber industry cut down are replaced by “better” (genetically) trees and the forests are better-managed to promote growth. Bottom line, our forests in the USA are not only healthier than they were when the USA started, there are actually MORE forests. People have been brainwashed that they must “save a tree” ... came from the same crowd that thought banning DDT would “save the earth.” ( How many times can these people be “wrong” and still be “believable”???) As for the trees, if you depend on trees for your living, you don’t cut them down and move on, you replant, replace and take damned good care of them in the process.(Example keeping undergrowth thinned, resulting in less fires, hence more healthy trees). The result is a better, more productive forest ... more growth for the treas and for your tree-growing profits! The MONEY makes the environment better!!! Amazing isn’t it? :-)


42 posted on 02/03/2010 10:25:38 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (http://www.thepatriotsflag.com - The Patriot's Flag)
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To: Red Badger

“You watch Ax Men on History Channel?..................”

Yes, I have.
I actually like Swamp loggers better though.

I’m a Lumberjack....

is an old Monty Python song.


43 posted on 02/03/2010 10:33:31 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: Upstate NY Guy

I notice that they jumped on “it’s the CO2” bandwagon immediately. The fact that the sun’s radiant output increased until about 2002 had nothing to do with it.


44 posted on 02/03/2010 10:37:00 AM PST by lafroste
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To: Red Badger

I don’t think I shall ever see
a sight as lovely as a tree.

A tree cut down for paper and wood
A tree cut down for the human good.

Think on that, Joyce Kilmer.


45 posted on 02/03/2010 10:39:52 AM PST by Don W (I only keep certain folks' numbers in my 'phone so I know NOT to answer when they call)
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To: Don W

He’s dead, Jim...............


46 posted on 02/03/2010 10:42:17 AM PST by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: GraceG

Our natioanl forests were managed up until the endangered species act gave the preservationists the spotted owl to use as a surragate to file injunctions to prevent timber sales.
Since then they have successfully used fish other threatened spieces of insects,etc. to stop logging, mining, dam construction, windmill,etc,etc.


47 posted on 02/03/2010 10:44:02 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: woodbutcher1963

Artist: Stevens Ray
Song: The Haircut Song
Album: Box Set

When you get a haircut, be sure to go back home
When you get a haircut, get a barber you have known
Since you were a little bitty boy sittin’ in a booster chair
Or you might look like Larry, Moe or Curly if a stranger cuts your hair

Well, Butte, Montana just a’passin’ through, one thing I just had to do
Had to get a haircut and I was worried for my hair
I had a feeling of impending doom the minute I stepped into that room
And laid my eyes upon that barber chair

It was a macho barber shop. Hair dryers were mounted on a rifle rack.
Wasn’t no mirrors. The barber chair was a Peterbilt... Barber walked in;
he was huge, seven feet tall, three hundred pounds of spring steel and
rawhide. Wearin’ a hard hat, chewin’ a cigar, had a t-shirt on — said,
I hate musicians. Threw me in the chair, sneered and said, What’ll it
be pal? Now a lot of people would be intimidated in a situation like
this...I was not. I am what I am, play my piano, and sing my little
songs. I looked him right in the eye and I said, I’m a logger - just up
from Coos Bay, Oregon. Been toppin’ trees - quite possibly the toughest
man in the entire world. He said, All right! he gave me a haircut and
I walked out of there friends, my hair was gone! Made Kojak look like
Bill Golden. Yeah, had a tremendous craving to operate heavy equipment.
Now, you may think that Butte, Montana haircut’s the worst any man could
ever get...Wrong!

Well, a few months later I was in LA, truckin along on a smoggy day
I needed a haircut so bad I looked like Bozo the Clown
I was looking shaggy, not too good, I’d put it off as long as I could
And Lord, I hate to get a haircut out of town

Well, I walked in immediately and realized immediately that this guy was
into punk rock. The walls were done in black leather. Had chains and
whips and handcuffs hanging on me. Barber walked in, he had orange hair.
Black mascara. Stainless steel teeth. Black leather jacket with zinc
studs. He threw me in the chair, hit me a couple times - whap, whap -
chained me down, threw a Nazi flag over me. Said, I’m going to tell you
something that might make you a little nervous. I laughed. Ha ha
ha... I said, What could possibly make me nervous? He said, I’m
gay. Nooo problem. I’m not threatened in any way. I mean, I’m secure in
my manhood, everything is cool I am what I am, play my little piano,
sing my little songs. I looked him right in the eye. I said, I’m a
logger. Played football in high school. I was in the Marine Corps. He
said All right and he gave me a haircut. I walked out of there,
friends, my hair was purple. Well, at least that Mohawk section down the
middle was purple. Had a white streak down one side... other side looked
like Mr. T. Had a couple safety pins in my cheeks. Felt a teeeeny bit
conspicuous. Luckily, my next job was in San Fransisco. Shoot, I got
there and I didn’t even stand out at all. Wasn’t even close! Those
people thought I was an insurance salesman!

Well, a few months later, I was way down south, grits and gravy and hush
your mouth
Hair so long I’m startin’ to look like a man in drag
It was then that the sheriff walked up and said, Boy, you got too much
hair on your head...
You better get yourself a haircut or a dog tag!
Well, when I stepped into the shop, I realized immediately that I was
dealing with a born-again barber. Don’t see too many barber shops with a
steeple, had an organ in the corner, a choir. An usher led me to the
barber chair. Barber walked in, started saying grace, Oh Lord, for
these haircuts we are about to receive, may we be truly thankful.
Dominus possum pax probiscus, post mortem, et tu brute, puella
carborundum. He was sorta half-Baptist, half-Catholic... kind of a
Cathtist. He started cuttin’ my hair and preachin’ at the same time. I
mean he’s a wild man, scissors and razors a’flyin’ around my head, he’s
talkin’about the liquor and wild women and music and sex and the evils
of dancing and the music business in general. Then he looked down at me
and he said, What do you do for a living? Now, I’m not ashamed of what
I do for a livin’. Workin’ bars and casinos, around liquor and wild
women, I just play my piano, sing my little songs. I looked him right in
the eye and I said, I run this church for loggers...

When you get a haircut, be sure to go back home
When you get a haircut, get a barber you have known
Since you were a little bitty boy sittin’ in a booster chair
Or you might look like Larry, Moe or Curly if a stranger cuts your hair


48 posted on 02/03/2010 10:45:50 AM PST by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: EagleUSA

***Massive frauds do not apply to trees -— you cannot TAX THEM !!!!***

Yes you can! I pay timber tax on my property.

The Turks taxed the trees in the Middle East when they ruled it. everyone went out and cut down their trees so as not to have something to tax.


49 posted on 02/03/2010 10:53:59 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (BHP man!)
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To: Red Badger

Soooo,

You don’t think my little additional verse would have been appreciated,

or you just didn’t like it,

or you think that Joyce Kilmer wouldn’t have liked it?

Ah, well, I suppose posterity will be the judge...

(LOL)


50 posted on 02/03/2010 10:54:29 AM PST by Don W (I only keep certain folks' numbers in my 'phone so I know NOT to answer when they call)
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