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To: curiosity; butterdezillion; LucyT
"My point was that even if Obama were born in Kenya, there would have been no motive for Mama Obama or Toot to committ felony fraud in order to register his birth in the USA. She could have scured his naturalized citizenship via perfectly legal means. Hence there is no reason to doubt the veracity of Hawaii's official record showing that he was born in the USA."

1. You assume that Ann and Toot knew the US statute would permit easy naturalization of BHO II. You have no way of knowing that. You don't know what they knew or what they did based on what they thought they knew.

2. The fact that Obama won't release his HI vital records, including all amendments and corrections (if any), is a glaring reason to doubt that HI is the original place of birth in the record filed with the DOH Aug 8th 1961 that triggered the newspaper notices.

3. You have not eliminated other possible reasons to doubt that the original, unamended HI vital record has Kenya on them as a location of birth or hospital address.

Consider the Blaine long form BC as a hypothetical valid BC which maps perfectly to the summary fields on the Factcheck COLB with a location of birth showing Honolulu and the hospital address showing "Unknown - Kenya, Africa."

HI officials could refer truthfully to the unamended Blaine BC and declare that BHO II's location of birth was Honolulu, while ignoring the conflicting hospital address.

The Blaine BC demonstrates possible entries on an original long form BC, and a sequence of events (signature dates, statutory notation reflecting 1982 law change, and subsequent amendment) requiring no conspiracy by Ann and Toot.

If the Blaine document or hypothetical is true you have not accounted for a possible conspiracy by Obama and his agents to amend the HI vital records subsequent to 1982 to change the birth hospital address from "Unknown - Kenya, Africa" to "Honolulu."

HI officials would then be required to refer only to the representations in the amended vital record, while scrupulously avoiding mention or disclosure of the amendment or conflicting information. This also appears to be exactly what they are doing.

329 posted on 02/05/2010 4:46:15 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp
1. You assume that Ann and Toot knew the US statute would permit easy naturalization of BHO II. You have no way of knowing that. You don't know what they knew or what they did based on what they thought they knew.

I assume no such thing. I am merely applying the reasonable person test that is standard in the courts. Any reasonable person, if unaware of the naturalization processes, would inquire into them. All it would take is a phone call to an immigration lawyer.

Are you seriously suggesting Toot and Mama Obama would do something illegal before at the very least asking a lawyer about their legal options?

And of course, you do realize, most lawyers do offer free initial consultations.

2. The fact that Obama won't release his HI vital records, including all amendments and corrections (if any), is a glaring reason to doubt that HI is the original place of birth in the record filed with the DOH Aug 8th 1961 that triggered the newspaper notices.

Sorry. No cigar. Hawaii already verified that his vital record shows Hawaii as the birthplace.

3. You have not eliminated other possible reasons to doubt that the original, unamended HI vital record has Kenya on them as a location of birth or hospital address.

Such as...

Consider the Blaine long form BC as a hypothetical valid BC which maps perfectly to the summary fields on the Factcheck COLB with a location of birth showing Honolulu and the hospital address showing "Unknown - Kenya, Africa."

Right. So Hawaii is going to say Honolulu is the birthplace, but then list Kenya as the hospital location? LOL. Birthers will believe anything!

330 posted on 02/05/2010 4:57:53 PM PST by curiosity
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