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Buried Truths About Gays in the Military
Townhall.com ^ | February 7, 2010 | Steve Chapman

Posted on 02/07/2010 8:33:28 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

I think “orientals” are referred to as Asians in modern parlance.


21 posted on 02/07/2010 9:01:27 AM PST by johnnycap
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To: kAcknor

No flames from me.


22 posted on 02/07/2010 9:01:56 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Interesting, a few years ago I was at a post stateside where all services were stationed. A multi-service investigation uncovered an even huger straight ring that encompassed officers, enlisted, high and low ranking civilian employees and foreign nationals involved in one-on-one as well as group straight liaisons.

Rank was meaningless in these liaisons, and good order and discipline were absolutely compromised. The investigators were astonished by the breadth of the activity. Scores of military personnel were released, civilians were reprimanded but I don’t believe any were relieved of duty.
True to form, the liaisons took place in government owned barracks and other sordid venues, even though they could have met at private off-base quarters and probably not gotten caught.

Since there are no rules governing straight behavior, things really got out of hand and this gives a hint of what will be going on in the military that condones heterosexuality. Every gay officer or enlisted will wonder if he or she will get fair treatment from a straight supervisor, given the proclivity of straights toward one another.

I once heard that if you put a group of blacks, hispanics, whites, and orientals (ASIANS), in a room, that they will tend to congregate with their racial group. The only other identifier that transcends that is being straight — they place their straightness above all other indentifiers. Is this what we want for our military?


23 posted on 02/07/2010 9:06:51 AM PST by johnnycap
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To: Kaslin

“If unit cohesion can survive the presence of killers, rapists and child molesters, why would it shatter on contact with gays and lesbians?”

So according to Steve our military allows murderers and molesters to openly serve in the military? I bet the author never himself served in the military. Pathetic column.


24 posted on 02/07/2010 9:09:56 AM PST by ccruse456
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To: Kaslin
How about that. Never realized that homosexuality was a harmless human lifestyle orientation. Like going to Sunday church social event. Guess Aids is no longer a big deal either.

Thanks, Steve Chapman. [/sarc]

25 posted on 02/07/2010 9:16:14 AM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: johnnycap

Having served in the military as well as some others on here, I know the discussions and attitudes about homosexuality in the military, and job performance didn’t have anything to do with it. I will concede that there may be a possibility that may have changed since I served, but...I doubt it.

Granted, I served before the DADT policy, but that doesn’t mean that people didn’t discuss it.

Your assertion is a specious argument.


26 posted on 02/07/2010 9:21:25 AM PST by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: rlmorel

It’s not specious...it’s plausible.


27 posted on 02/07/2010 9:25:14 AM PST by johnnycap
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To: jacksonstate

You do know, don’t you, that soldiers infected with HIV are protected? The soldiers in a battlefield situation are not allowed to know their HIV status? Even the field commander cannot know. Yet they are not “sick” and CAN be sent downrange. You are aware of all this, right?


28 posted on 02/07/2010 9:29:27 AM PST by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: kAcknor; All

The Statistics on Homosexuality and its Effects
Some statistics about the Homosexual lifestyle:
• One study reports 70% of homosexuals admitting to having sex only one time with over 50% of their partners (3).
• One study reports that the average homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year (6). The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime.
• Many homosexual sexual encounters occur while drunk, high on drugs, or in an orgy setting (7).
• Many homosexuals don’t pay heed to warnings of their lifestyles: “Knowledge of health guidelines was quite high, but this knowledge had no relation to sexual behavior” (16).
• Homosexuals got homosexuality removed from the list of mental illnesses in the early 70s by storming the annual American Psychiatric Association (APA) conference on successive years. “Guerrilla theater tactics and more straight-forward shouting matches characterized their presence” (2). Since homosexuality has been removed from the APA list of mental illnesses, so has pedophilia (except when the adult feels “subjective distress”) (27).
• Homosexuals account for 3-4% of all gonorrhea cases, 60% of all syphilis cases, and 17% of all hospital admissions (other than for STDs) in the United States (5). They make up only 1-2% of the population.
• Homosexuals live unhealthy lifestyles, and have historically accounted for the bulk of syphilis, gonorrhea, Hepatitis B, the “gay bowel syndrome” (which attacks the intestinal tract), tuberculosis and cytomegalovirus (27).
• 73% of psychiatrists say homosexuals are less happy than the average person, and of those psychiatrists, 70% say that the unhappiness is NOT due to social stigmatization (13).
• 25-33% of homosexuals and lesbians are alcoholics (11).
• Of homosexuals questioned in one study reports that 43% admit to 500 or more partners in a lifetime, 28% admit to 1000 or more in a lifetime, and of these people, 79% say that half of those partners are total strangers, and 70% of those sexual contacts are one night stands (or, as one homosexual admits in the film “The Castro”, one minute stands) (3). Also, it is a favorite past-time of many homosexuals to go to “cruisy areas” and have anonymous sex.
• 78% of homosexuals are affected by STDs (20).
• Judge John Martaugh, chief magistrate of the New York City Criminal Court has said, “Homosexuals account for half the murders in large cities” (10).
• Captain William Riddle of the Los Angeles Police says, “30,000 sexually abused children in Los Angeles were victims of homosexuals” (10).
• 50% of suicides can be attributed to homosexuals (10).
• Dr. Daniel Capron, a practicing psychiatrist, says, “Homosexuality by definition is not healthy and wholesome. The homosexual person, at best, will be unhappier and more unfulfilled than the sexually normal person” (10). For other psychiatrists who believe that homosexuality is wrong, please see National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality.
• It takes approximately $300,000 to take care of each AIDS victim, so thanks to the promiscuous lifestyle of homosexuals, medical insurance rates have been skyrocketing for all of us(10).
• Homosexuals were responsible for spreading AIDS in the United States, and then raised up violent groups like Act Up and Ground Zero to complain about it. Even today, homosexuals account for well over 50% of the AIDS cases in the United States, which is quite a large number considering that they account for only 1-2% of the population.
• Homosexuals account for a disproportionate number of hepatitis cases: 70-80% in San Francisco, 29% in Denver, 66% in New York City, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal, and 26% in Melbourne (8).
• 37% of homosexuals engage in sadomasochism, which accounts for many accidental deaths. In San Francisco, classes were held to teach homosexuals how to not kill their partners during sadomasochism (8).
• 41% of homosexuals say they have had sex with strangers in public restrooms, 60% say they have had sex with strangers in bathhouses, and 64% of these encounters have involved the use of illegal drugs (8).
• Depending on the city, 39-59% of homosexuals are infected with intestinal parasites like worms, flukes and amoebae, which is common in filthy third world countries (8).
• The median age of death of homosexuals is 42 (only 9% live past age 65). This drops to 39 if the cause of death is AIDS. The median age of death of a married heterosexual man is 75 (8).
• The median age of death of lesbians is 45 (only 24% live past age 65). The median age of death of a married heterosexual woman is 79 (8).
• Homosexuals are 100 times more likely to be murdered (usually by another homosexual) than the average person, 25 times more likely to commit suicide, and 19 times more likely to die in a traffic accident (8).
• 21% of lesbians die of murder, suicide or traffic accident, which is at a rate of 534 times higher than the number of white heterosexual females aged 25-44 who die of these things(8).
• 50% of the calls to a hotline to report “queer bashing” involved domestic violence (i.e., homosexuals beating up other homosexuals) (18).
• About 50% of the women on death row are lesbians (12).
Homosexuals prey on children.
• 33% of homosexuals ADMIT to minor/adult sex (7).
• There is a notable homosexual group, consisting of thousands of members, known as the North American Man and Boy Love Association ( NAMBLA). This is a child molesting homosexual group whose cry is “SEX BEFORE 8 BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE.” This group can be seen marching in most major homosexual parades across the United States.
• Homosexuals commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States, which, assuming homosexuals make up 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 homosexuals is a child molestor, while 1 in 490 heterosexuals is a child molestor (19).
• 73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under 19 years of age (9).
• Many homosexuals admit that they are pedophiles: “The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality” (22).
• Because homosexuals can’t reproduce naturally, they resort to recruiting children. Homosexuals can be heard chanting “TEN PERCENT IS NOT ENOUGH, RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT” in their homosexual parades. A group called the “Lesbian Avengers” prides itself on trying to recruit young girls. They print “WE RECRUIT” on their literature. Some other homosexuals aren’t as overt about this, but rather try to infiltrate society and get into positions where they will have access to the malleable minds of young children (e.g., the clergy, teachers, Boy Scout leaders, etc.) (8). See the DC Lesbian Avengers web page, and DC Lesbian Avengers Press Release, where they threaten to recruit little boys and girls. Also, see AFA Action Alert.
The homosexual agenda.
• The homosexual agenda includes desensitizing the public: “The first order of business is desensitization of the American public concerning gays and gay rights.....To desensitize the public is to help it view homosexuality with indifference instead of with keen emotion. Ideally, we would have straights register differences in sexual preferences the way they register different tastes for ice cream or sports games....At least in the beginning, we are seeking public desensitization and nothing more. We do not need and cannot expect a full ‘appreciation’ or ‘understanding’ of homosexuality from the average American. You can forget about trying to persuade the masses that homosexuality is a good thing. But if only you can get them to think that it is just another thing...then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won” (25).
• Part of the homosexual agenda is to get the public to affirm their filthy lifestyle, as one homosexual admitted in the October 1987 homosexual rally on Washington: “We are no longer seeking just a right to privacy and a protection from wrong. We also have a right — as heterosexual Americans already have — to see government and society affirm our lives” (27).
• Part of the homosexual agenda is to turn people from Christianity: “The teaching that only male-female sexual activity within the bounds and constraints of marriage is the only acceptable form should be reason enough for any homosexual to denounce the Christian religion” (1).
• Homosexuals knowingly lied (and still lie) about the 10% figure (i.e., homosexuals make up 10% of the population). As Tom Stoddard (formerly of the Lambda Legal Defense Fund) said, “We used that figure when most gay people were entirely hidden to try to create an impression of our numerousness” (17).
The true number of homosexuals.
• The Kinsey study of 1948, which homosexuals often cite to say that 10% of the population is homosexual, actually says that only 4% of the population is EXCLUSIVELY homosexual. This study involved a disproportionate number of people who had been in jail for sex crimes (hardly a random sample of the population). Kinsey also did perverse studies involving young boys and pedophiles. Information on Kinsey.
• Current research shows that the true percentage of homosexuals is in the 1-2% range (15,23,26,28). Consider how small this number is when compared to most of the numbers above.
Homosexuals aren’t discriminated against in employment, so why should they be a protected class?
• The average yearly income of a homosexual is $55,430.00 (most of which is disposable because no children to take care of!). The average of the general population is $32,144.00. The average of blacks is $12,166.00 (24).
• 59.6% of homosexuals are college graduates. 18.0% of the general population are college graduates (24). Too bad they aren’t smart enough to listen to God. “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools” (Romans 1:22).
• 49.0% of homosexuals hold professional/managerial positions. 15.9% of the general population hold such positions (24). Where’s the job discrimination?
Sexual Orientation
• A phrase that has come up recently in this earth is “sexual orientation.” This is a phrase made up by homosexuals to try to make themselves look less filthy than they really are. The purpose of the phrase is to take the spotlight from what these perverts do, and put it on the notion that they are just poor, mistreated people, who simply are attracted to members of the same sex - as if they aren’t engaging in activity forbidden by God Almighty. “Sexual orientation,” as used today, has nothing to do with sexual activity (yeah, right), but only refers to who or what a particular person is attracted to. If you think that people of other “sexual orientations” are just fine, let’s see what other “sexual orientations” you would necessarily have to accept as wholesome and pure. If you’re not going to discriminate based on “sexual orientation”, then you must not discriminate against any of the following. If you discriminate against any of these, you’re a hypocrite. These “sexual orientations” are generally known as “paraphilias”, and are mental disorders - just like homosexuality used to be (29).
REFERENCES
(1) Advocate, 1985.
(2) Bayer, R. Homosexuality and American Psychiatry.
(3) Bell, A. and Weinberg, M. Homosexualities: a Study of Diversity Among Men and Women. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1978.
(4) Cameron et. al. ISIS National Random Sexuality Survey. Nebraska Med. Journal, 1985, 70, pp. 292-299.
(5) “Changes in Sexual Behavior and Incidence of Gonorrhea.” Lancet, April 25, 1987.
(6) Corey, L. and Holmes, K. “Sexual Transmission of Hepatitis A in Homosexual Men.” New England J. Med., 1980, pp. 435-38.
(7) Family Research Institute, Lincoln, NE.
(8) Fields, Dr. E. “Is Homosexual Activity Normal?” Marietta, GA.
(9) Jay and Young. The Gay Report. Summit Books, 1979, p. 275.
(10) Kaifetz, J. “Homosexual Rights Are Concern for Some,” Post-Tribune, 18 December 1992.
(11) Kus, R. “Alcoholics Anonymous and Gay America.” Medical Journal of Homosexuality, 1987, 14(2), p. 254.
(12) Lesbian News, January 1994.
(13) Lief, H. Sexual Survey Number 4: Current Thinking on Homosexuality, Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality, 1977, pp. 110-11.
(14) Manlight, G. et. al. “Chronic Immune Stimulation By Sperm Alloantigens.” J. American Med. Assn., 1984, 251(2), pp. 237-438.
(15) Morton-Hunt Study for Playboy
(16) MsKusick, L. et. al. “AIDS and Sexual Behavior Reported By Gay Men in San Francisco.” Am. J. Pub. Health, 1985, 75, pp. 493-96.
(17) Newsweek, February 1993.
(18) Newsweek, 4 October 1993.
(19) Psychological Reports, 1986, 58, pp. 327-37.
(20) Rueda, E. “The Homosexual Network.” Old Greenwich, Conn., The Devin Adair Company, 1982, p. 53.
(21) San Francisco AIDS Foundation, “Can We Talk.”
(22) San Francisco Sentinel, 27 March 1992.
(23) Science Magazine, 18 July 1993, p. 322.
(24) Statistical Abstract of the U.S., 1990.
(25) “The Overhauling of Straight America.” Guide Magazine. November, 1987.
(26) United States Census Bureau
(27) United States Congressional Record, June 29, 1989.
(28) University of Chicago’s Nation Research Corp.
(29) Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders Fourth Edition, American Psychiatric Association, 1994.
© 2000- 2003 International Organization of Heterosexual Rights


29 posted on 02/07/2010 9:32:19 AM PST by panaxanax (It's time for TEA Party Patriots to get an 'ATTITUDE'.)
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To: Kaslin

There can be no question that in the past gays have served their the Republic well. That’s because like most sinners like adulterers, thieves, pedophiles, etc they kept their mouths shut and were evaluated on how they did their jobs.

That will not be the case with the ‘me, me it’s all about me’ politically active openly gay soldiers of today. Would you like your straight son being forced to spend the night in the foxhole of a man that may ‘lust’ after your son?

And what would be the cohesion of a unit that put all their gay soldiers together because no one wanted to work with them?

These gay agitators will not settle for the honor just to serve. Next they will complain about promotion discrimination, or partner benefits, or insensitive language directed at or about them.

I recently retired after 29 years of total service and I’m telling ya... combat readiness will suffer. The Army’s warrior spirit is already a hollow shell of itself when compared to what is was during the Vietnam era.

One thing you can take to the bank...tptb that are behind making this official policy of the Armed Forces is no friend of the Republic.


30 posted on 02/07/2010 9:44:22 AM PST by exPBRrat
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To: Kaslin
This argument is a complete non-starter. None of the countries in question, which have elevated the gay deathstyle to moral equivalence have fought a major war since then.

And I should point out that Israel's military did not perform particularly well in its last major action against Hezbollah. Coincidence? I'm not sure.

As Duncan Hunter said, in America, the backbone of the military is made up primarily of Christian conservatives. When you start moving "out and proud" homosexuals in, you start moving the good Christian conservatives out. In my opinion, that is the real purpose--and danger--of this policy.

Don't be fooled: allowing homosexuals to serve openly in the military means much more of this:

A Dog Returning to his Vomit

And in the future, criticizing such behavior will become and offense worthy of discharge. Count on it.
31 posted on 02/07/2010 9:50:02 AM PST by Antoninus (The RNC's dream ticket: Romney / Scozzafava 2012)
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To: Former Fetus
When did Israel start accepting gays in the IDF? I was not particularly impressed with the IDF in Lebanon.

Exactly. No military is strengthened by allowing those with homosexual attractions to serve in the ranks. It worried me greatly when I heard that the IDF allows out and proud homos to serve. However, I think Israel's situation is different--don't they have universal conscription? If so, and they had a policy which kicked homos out, they would probably be faced with a raft of liberals claiming the "Klinger exemption."
32 posted on 02/07/2010 9:54:58 AM PST by Antoninus (The RNC's dream ticket: Romney / Scozzafava 2012)
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To: johnnycap
Perhaps the ugly truth is that soldiers and sailors already know who is gay in their units and who isn't and that the gay soldiers and sailors are in many units exemplary and significantly outperforming their straight colleagues. Perhaps the only thing that keeps them in check and from going out there and really raising the bar is the threat of too much attention leading to their dismissal.

That is the most asinine thing I have ever heard, and it is quite obvious that you have never been in the American military.
33 posted on 02/07/2010 9:56:07 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: jacksonstate

There are plenty of gays in our military today and some have died in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as in all of our previous wars and all are heroes.

And now that we are going to move from “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” the military will need to enforce strict sexual harassment polices. And under such policies if a man makes unwelcomed sexual advances on another man while on duty he should be severely reprimanded and if a man makes an unwelcome sexual advance on a woman, he too must be severely reprimanded.


34 posted on 02/07/2010 9:56:21 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: kAcknor
The state of ‘Being’ can be no crime.

Since when is our 'state of being' defined by what we do with our genitals or our most disgusting sexual fetishes?

Such statements are beyond pathetic and shallow. They are symptomatic of a culture that has lost any sense of itself beyond the pursuit of adolescent gratifications.
35 posted on 02/07/2010 9:59:40 AM PST by Antoninus (The RNC's dream ticket: Romney / Scozzafava 2012)
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To: jacksonstate
I never discount the service of any man or woman.

I see this move as a social engineering move. Once the military acknowledges "partnership" or marriage from certain states, they will have to grant benefits to all and recognize gay marriage.

I don't see this as patriots mistreated but as a move to use the military to legitimize gay marriage, nationaly. I think that is wrong.

36 posted on 02/07/2010 10:00:45 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Kaslin
I agree with most objections to gays in the military. But I have a major problem with it, too.

Banning gays gives an automatic deferment from a draft arising from a national crisis or war. This means gays are specifically exempt from defending our country. That seems wrong - brave heteros fighting & dying for the homos back home packing fudge. This makes gays a protected class.

A gay ban would also encourage cowards to claim homo status to avoid service.

I reluctantly support “don't ask, Don't tell”, as I believe it reflects the common sense idea that your sexuality is irrelevant & unwelcome while on duty. While I am uncomfortable about the privacy issues associated with communal showers, bathrooms, & the like, I am not uncomfortable about the idea of a gay soldier sharing a foxhole with me as we battle the enemy.

If you want to ban people from our military, ban the muslims.

37 posted on 02/07/2010 10:02:50 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Antoninus

You make my point. ASSuming action of the individual and condemning for it.

What you do with your genitalia is none of my business. I don’t care. Do something with them in public, or in front of children and I’ll have issues. But I’ll have those issues regardless if the public action is gay or straight or whatever.

Sexuality is not the issue, the action is.


39 posted on 02/07/2010 10:08:10 AM PST by kAcknor ("A pistol! Are you expecting trouble sir?" "No ma'am, were I expecting trouble I'd have a rifle.")
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To: Kaslin

My concerns are:
1. How do you maintain good order and discipline when you have Muslims (who believe in executing gays) and gays in the same service?
2. Can OPENLY gay servicemembers be assigned to duty stations where the host country executes homosexuals? If not, then wouldn’t those gay servicemembers be given preferential duty assignments in order to protect them? And if they are given those “safe” assignments - doesn’t that violate the rights of other servicemembers?


40 posted on 02/07/2010 10:11:03 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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