Posted on 02/09/2010 6:08:26 AM PST by outpostinmass2
SAT SCORES aren’t everything. But they can tell some fascinating stories.
Take 1,623, for instance. That’s the average score of Asian-Americans, a group that Daniel Golden - editor at large of Bloomberg News and author of “The Price of Admission’’ - has labeled “The New Jews.’’ After all, much like Jews a century ago, Asian-Americans tend to earn good grades and high scores. And now they too face serious discrimination in the college admissions process.
Notably, 1,623 - out of a possible 2,400 - not only separates Asians from other minorities (Hispanics and blacks average 1,364 and 1,276 on the SAT, respectively). The score also puts them ahead of Caucasians, who average 1,581. And the consequences of this are stark.
Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade, who reviewed data from 10 elite colleges, writes in “No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal’’ that Asian applicants typically need an extra 140 points to compete with white students. In fact, according to Princeton lecturer Russell Nieli, there may be an “Asian ceiling’’ at Princeton, a number above which the admissions office refuses to venture.
Emily Aronson, a Princeton spokeswoman, insists “the university does not admit students in categories. In the admission process, no particular factor is assigned a fixed weight and there is no formula for weighing the various aspects of the application.’’
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Of interest to homeschoolers considering college.
At my old High School, the Asian kids are the majority in the Band, The Tennis Team and the Key Club. In 1975 all three were the bastion of our once thriving Jewish community before the Exodus. As I was in all three, I am happy that they have been preserved.
I think its been pretty well established that at least California colleges do, hasn’t it?
This statement is totally disingenuous. If there's an "asian Ceiling" it's not because they need to make room for white students. There are no slots set aside for white students in any college or you'd have the ACLU screaming bloody murder.
Interesting. If the rationale for affirmative action is to remedy past injustices, then I would think that Asians would have more of a claim of past discrimination than, say, Hispanics. The WWII internments come to mind. That is, if one wants to play the “blame game” at all.
But I believe “diversity” is the present justification. So if one’s skin is yellow, I guess one is out of luck.
All this in the name of “justice.” It’s sick.
What’s the perfect score on SAT’s now? It used to be 1600.
againstbiasedstudies wrote:
And let's not forget about the white minorities. A generation ago, I was a recently orphaned, college student, white and female. At the time, I was the only one who was not African American or Hispanic in work study. In another program I went to, a scholarship that could have gone to me (because of my grades and test scores) went to a categorized minority.
Because fewer WASP students traditionally fell into the lower socioeconomic strata, there was less aid. My husband and I both fall into this category, where we were discriminated against, based on our white color.
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pete74 wrote:
I interview applicants for a top-tier local university which, like many others, uses alumni for the job. 90% of the applicants I see in Newton are well qualified for admission, whatever their ethnic background, but only 10% will be admitted. Geographic diversity means that clusters of students in any town who apply to the same college will find it harder to get in than will peers who are the sole applicants from other places. I suspect that part of the story with Asian students can be traced to this effect.
Admitting students because of a parent or Almuni went there makes NO SENSE. What ever happened to MERIT?
Geographic diversity is another word for DISCRIMINATION. Why should it matter WHERE you come from? Are these idiotic elites suffering from “geographic think” as well as “economic” and “race” think as well?
This is what is wrong with liberals. They pigeon hole kids into race, geopgrapic and economic categories based on their LEFTIST feelings. It all comes down to various forms of DISCRIMINATION based on surfacy and ridiculous reasons. We need to get BACK to a MERIT, COLOR and ECONOMIC and GEOGRAPHIC BLIND admission.
America is headed down if we can no longer reward excellence. The left loves “diversity” as a means to justify favoritism for their constituencies. You don’t fix racial injustice by more injustice, aka two wrongs don’t make a right.
I speak first hand, because my son was denied an academic scholarship because his score was one point beneath the cut off. Yet, the college had the audacity to tell him straight to his face he would have qualified if he was black. Now I’m fortunate enough to pay (with taxes) for the minority with a lower score who was selected ahead of my son as well as my son’s tuition, too!
Wrong is wrong, no matter how people try to spin it.
I wonder what Obama’s score was? I bet it is locked away safer than the Coca Cola formula!
I think it’s now 2400
“Diversity” simply means “less successful people”.
Don’t forget Asians don’t vote democrat in high enough numbers. This is a mark against them.
Ivy league schools do have partneships with Exam schools and prep schools to admit a certian amount of the top students each year that go back centuries.
The other unqualified tolken minorities that the ivy’s admit is to keep the ACLU at bay. If the ACLU actually brought the ivy’s to court their whole racist admission policy would be over tomorrow.
Slightly off topic, more and more I'm thinking that Soetoro isn't so much hiding his birth certificate as his school records. For instance, what were his grades? What courses did he take? Who financed his education? Not a single mother I'm thinking. What criteria got him into Harvard and on the law review? The bottom line is we know much of his youth was spent in foreign (muslim) countries but what about his schooling and work history. The birth certificate issue may just be a red herring.
“Diversity” just means the institution of a racial spoils system administered by Liberals.
At least a decade ago friends of ours were told that their daughter would have to be on a wait list for admission to Harvard.
She was brilliant. Her adoptive father was a Harvard grad but their Asian adoptee would be subject to a quota.
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