Skip to comments.Blizzard of Lies: Debunking The Warm-Air-Holds-More-Moisture Defense
Posted on 02/12/2010 4:33:36 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
By now, we're all familiar with the global warmists attempt to explain away the record-breaking mid-Atlantic blizzards. Take this, for example, from the New York Times [emphasis added]:
So more snow fell from Philly to DC because the temperatures were warmer than normal during the blizzards? That got me wondering: just what were the temperatures in DC on the snow days, and how do they compare to the norm? And guess what?
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Debunking the warm-air-holds-more moisture defense. Ping to Today show list.
love the left they just keep on giving..
And of course they won't.
Anybody working with wind power knows that cold air is more dense than warm air: there's way more power in a 10 MPH 30-degree wind than a 10 MPH 70-degree wind.
It’s not Global Warming anymore. It’s Global Climate Change...
In unrelated news... From now on, tanking poll numbers will be known as Approval Poll Change...
Global warming followers do so with religious fervor and less fact checking.
You can’t convince them.
It is a matter of faith.
You’re wasting your breath.
From behind enemy lines: More brain washing planned;(
A bid to win back the hearts and minds of the public on the issue of climate change has been launched today with news that the Norfolk university at the centre of the climategate scandal has asked for an independent review of the research in question.
The University of East Anglia has announced experts identified by the prestigious Royal Society will look again at key publications by the Climatic Research Unit (CRU), including the work of Prof Phil Jones, whose stolen emails were among those to spark the current controversy.
I am going to ‘borrow’ your haiku.
It says it all.
It's actually funny. One theory is debunked so now in a panic they are trying to make up another theory. What they are doing is looking more and more desperate and more and more foolish. Like chicken little, the sky is falling, the sky is falling.
Wonder how that’s going to turn out! /s
The climate change or global warming folks are really desperate for an explanation.
Philly was colder than average on the snow days
It is not a very convincing analysis, sort of post hoc, ergo propter hoc. Given that it snowed, it was probably cold, especially colder than average in DC where winter is usually mild.
There was a piece by a guy who had been the Virginia state meteorologist for decades who made the point that winter storms in coastal Virginia and DC always have lots of water, but it usually falls as rain. The only thing preventing lots of snow was the fact that it was, you know, too warm.
It’s about time for the Goracle to weigh in and explain what’s really going on.
Uhhh...having both cold and warm air masses to compare...In the Summer the humidity can get so high you can see it in the air...like the Smoky Mountains.
In the Fall and Winter I’ve seen a miserable rain at 33 degrees.
When the moisture bearing air hits freezing and lower temps, a funny thing happens...the water freezes and falls to the ground.
You ever see it 20 below and foggy?
See “dew point” and “relative humidity”.
“It is not a very convincing analysis, sort of post hoc, ergo propter hoc. Given that it snowed, it was probably cold, especially colder than average in DC where winter is usually mild.”
Sometimes simple analyses are the most incisive. How could the blizzards be explained away on the warm-air-holds-more-moisture theory if in fact the air was colder than normal?
LOL... if warm air holds more moisture, then where was all this warm air during the past week?
Just as “Military-Industrial Complex” became a phrase of condemnation, we need to develop the key words that will succinctly slam this coalition of ‘scientists’ and the people who are ready to capitalize on the control of ‘carbon credits.’ They both have so much invested, they are not going to give up the promotion of the need to control the lives and purses of ‘common man.’
Soundbites and catch-phrases are how the Left communicate and preach. We must do the same to reach their converts and followers.
True, as a rule of thumb, sea water temp in southern Ches Bay >40F=rain; <40F=snow...guides only, not many definites in weatherguessering.
The global warming alarmists have a "science" that ratchets in one direction only, no matter what the objective evidence is.
And they have already shown that they will readily manipulate the data to ensure that is the case.
On another thread it was pointed out that late night infomercial huckster Kevin Trudeau is being hounded by a federal judge for making millions selling books based on fraudulent claims that even a simpleton could see through, if he was of a mind to. But the global warming hucksters are reaping billions and eventually trillions using cooked statistics and even more fantastic claims and the fraud is not being investigated or prosecuted--it is being aided and abetted by our own government.
The explanation is, you got our weather.
The storms that usually would have passed north of there were held to our south by a large mass of Arctic DRY air.
You could see it on the weather maps...large circulating COLD clear air masses here, while you guys got hammered.
By the way...that dusting you got...happens here all the time.
As Dennis Prager so succinctly put it, if the "climate change" isn't "global warming", the Left doesn't care.
If the cold air hadn’t penetrated so far south, they would have had rain, if the . The blocking highs up north would have let the storms slide up into New England where they usually go. These mid-Atlantic storms were caused by cold being where it usually isn’t.
That's kind of confusing. You're not saying that it snows more in cold weather than in warm weather, are you?
The only thing preventing lots of snow was the fact that it was, you know, too warm.
I like this explanation, which should be followed by an ergo.
If too warm a temperature, is the explanation for too little snow, global warming/climate change, cannot have it both ways. Or can they?
According to Dalton’s LAW of gasses air has no capacity to “hold” water. Therefore the entire argument made in the NY Times article is false. In spite of the fact that the false statement to the contrary is widely accepted, it is not so. Higher levels of water vapor in an air mass at warmer temperatures is due solely to the increased evaporation of water caused by the heat/energy. Air has no ability to hold water at any time or at any temperature. It’s the law.
I’m simply saying that if you only select the temperature on days it was known to snow, don’t be surprised if they turn out to be colder than average. If you only select temperatures from winter days on which it rained, don’t be surprised if they are warmer than average.
Cherry picking data to confirm one’s preconceived notions or prejudices is tricky work and should not be done by novices. It takes a dab hand like Phil Jones or Michael Mann to do it right.
Actually moist air conducts heat better. Sounds like they’re trying to play a chicken or the egg game when I’m not sure there’s a chicken or an egg to begin with.
It’s not cherry picking: the warmists were explaining the blizzards by arguing temps were warmer, but in fact when the snow fell it was colder!
Not a weather kind of guy. I had never thought about temperature and the wind outside of chill factor...but that last part makes perfect sense.
We didn’t have -20F the other morning, but we did have the foggy ice event. It was beautiful! The foggy/frosty settling on everything as the sun came up on a 15F morning. Painted everything in a coat of white ice. Even as the sun pushed through the fog, ice crystals reflected and danced in the air.
It was really cool...you could actually watch the air/ice dance.
Your interpretation of Dalton's law is incorrect. Warmer air does "hold more moisture". See any chart of "absolute humidity" to see the maximum amount of water vapor a given volume of air can contain. The water contained by the air is just another gas as far as Dalton's law is concerned.
The headline is totally misleading. Warm air CAN hold more moisture in a given volume than the same volume can hold at a lower temperature.... this is a simple FACT of physics. All that said, using the increased snowfall as evidence of "climate change" is ludicrous.
“Pretty soon the NYT will have a story on how Mark Finklestein tortures puppies.”
LOL: I [governs=Finkelstein] would wear the Times’ libel as a badge of honor!
And just for the record, in case the Times is reading this: I’m an animal lover. I have three parrots that I have to protect against the wintry blasts here in upstate NY. And though I don’t have a dog, my sister who has one calls me the Dog Whisperer because hers takes to me so much!
We’ll be back to Global Warming by mid-summer.
It appears to me that the NYT is nothing more than a propaganda machine catering to the "Archie Bunkers" of the left. IMO the NYT is leading the way to the demise of the dinosaur left wing main stream media with their irrational "journalism." The NYT was a great newspaper many years ago.
Alas for the report, along with more snow in the NE we also got more snow in the SE and the South!
Looks like that could be a signature for global cooling.
Bingo! Just like choosing NOT to abort doesn't count as choice!
But does Mark share?
Oh you cruel and insensitive conservative bastards!
How dare you take away these people’s sole means of “mattering” in this world!
How dare you rip out their reason to feel good about themselves for being so “caring” and “enlightened”!
But saturated air at 32 degrees F holds the same amount of moisture at a given pressure, every time.
If it were warm it would rain. When it is cold, it snows.
Let's get Old School, Baby!... Psychrometric Charts!
Global warming must be stopped.
If Global Warming continues to grind on in it’s inexorable path, they’ll have to schedule snowplows to clear the streets before the Fourth of July parades.
Warm air does hold more moisture. As a result, it does not precipitate as much.
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Don't you want Dad to be a better man?
Using the liberals logic, global warming caused the ice ages.
Here's the Google search results for: drought "global warming"
It returns 2,180,000 results and here's a sampling of the titles just from the 1st page:
"Global warming to cause massive drought over next 100 years, say climatologists"
"Drought's Growing Reach: NCAR Study Points to Global Warming as ..."So, Global Warming Theory is proven when the air has less moisture
"Global warming future: Drought, wildfire, floods, pestilence ..."
"Global warming future: Drought, wildfire, floods, pestilence ..."
"Global warming 37 percent to blame for droughts"
Global Warming is the only "proven" scientific theory established by a NO FAIL test.
***Like I said before, it still has to be cold enough to snow.***
AND it needs to be cold enough HIGH enough to form SNOW rather than ICE.
(GW loons have been saying its the UPPER atmosphere that is heating from too much CO2).
I’m looking out my window in Fort Worth at a FOOT of SNOW. We always get ICE because that can form lower in the atmosphere. Nice change.
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