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To: highlander_UW
"Good" is a moral evaluation. So by what standard do they make the definitive claim that millions are "good"?

2004 Interview: Obama Talks about Jesus, Heaven and Sin June 3, 2008 (CBN)

GG: Do you believe in sin?

OBAMA: Yes.

GG: What is sin?

OBAMA: Being out of alignment with my values.

GG: What happens if you have sin in your life?

OBAMA: I think it’s the same thing as the question about heaven. In the same way that if I’m true to myself and my faith that that is its own reward, when I’m not true to it, it’s its own punishment.”


25 posted on 02/12/2010 11:56:54 AM PST by a fool in paradise (DON'T SAY "Happy Valentines' Day". It's Happy Holidays! This is the Holiday Season (Prez Day Feb15))
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To: a fool in paradise

What a flim flam.


30 posted on 02/12/2010 11:58:23 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: a fool in paradise
I must have missed that interview at the time.

OBAMA: I think it’s the same thing as the question about heaven. In the same way that if I’m true to myself and my faith that that is its own reward, when I’m not true to it, it’s its own punishment.”

There is firm proof he's not a Christian. That's a humanist response, not a Christian one.

33 posted on 02/12/2010 11:59:21 AM PST by highlander_UW (Obama has lost or not saved over 4 million jobs!)
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To: a fool in paradise

Lord, deliver us.

OBAMA: Being out of alignment with my values.

And this man dares to claim he is a Christian? Does he really think he is God? What if the interviewer asked “what would be a sin in my life? Would 0bama say it is being out of alignment with “my” values or “your” values?

In addition to being incredibly egocentric his statement on its face is nonsense. With that definition how could anyone say that Hitler or Stalin sinned by murdering millions? Maybe they sinned in those rare instances that they showed mercy and spared a life. And America elected this moral idiot.


44 posted on 02/12/2010 12:06:05 PM PST by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts soooo good!)
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To: a fool in paradise
What happens if you have sin in your life? ... In the same way that if I’m true to myself and my faith that that is its own reward, when I’m not true to it, it’s its own punishment

That's one of the strangest interpretations of sin in Christianity I've ever heard.

I am always wary of committing a No True Scotsman fallacy, especially with religion, but I don't see how a person can believe this and still call himself Christian. Even with No True Scotsman, there has to be a point at which you break a universally accepted core tenet of a religion, and therefore are no longer of that religion.

103 posted on 02/12/2010 1:25:04 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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