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Climategate U-turn: Astonishment as scientist at centre of global warming email row admits vital...
dailymail.co.uk ^ | 13th February 2010 | Jonathan Petre

Posted on 02/13/2010 6:46:44 PM PST by neverdem

Astonishment as scientist at centre of global warming email row admits vital data was not well organised

The academic at the centre of the ‘Climategate’ affair, whose raw data is crucial to the theory of climate change, has admitted that he has trouble ‘keeping track’ of the information.

Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused Freedom of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant papers.

Professor Jones told the BBC yesterday there was truth in the observations of colleagues that he lacked organisational skills, that his office was swamped with piles of paper and that his record keeping is ‘not as good as it should be’.

The data is crucial to the famous ‘hockey stick graph’ used by climate change advocates to support the theory.

Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.

And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.

The admissions will be seized on by sceptics as fresh evidence that there are serious flaws at the heart of the science of climate change and the orthodoxy that recent rises in temperature are largely man-made.

Professor Jones has been in the spotlight since he...

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He also agreed that there had been two periods which experienced similar warming, from 1910 to 1940 and from 1975 to 1998, but said these could be explained by natural phenomena whereas more recent warming could not.

He further admitted that in the last 15 years there had been no ‘statistically significant’ warming, although he argued this was a blip rather than the long-term trend...

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1 posted on 02/13/2010 6:46:45 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

his dog ate the temperature records...


2 posted on 02/13/2010 6:47:32 PM PST by RobFromGa (The FairTax is to tax policy as Global Warming is to science.)
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To: jan in Colorado

ping


3 posted on 02/13/2010 6:48:51 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: neverdem; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; Desdemona; Little Bill; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

4 posted on 02/13/2010 6:49:01 PM PST by steelyourfaith (FReepers were opposed to Obama even before it was cool to be against Obama.)
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To: neverdem

“Blip this” fraud man! It never ceases to amaze me that more folks don’t see the fraud perpetrated by these hucksters. Al Gore laughs all the way to the bank!


5 posted on 02/13/2010 6:50:05 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: neverdem

You should change everything about your life even though I am just sort of disorganized and confused. And incompetent.

And a liar.


6 posted on 02/13/2010 6:50:56 PM PST by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: steelyourfaith; Congressman Billybob
Fire his ass, prosecute for fraud?

Or send him to be a tenure reviewer in the biology dept. of UAH. /sarc>

Billybob, you're a lawyer and IIRC you've argued in front of the Supreme Court.

What would happen to a lawyer who tried this line in front of a judge?

What would happen to (say) a defendant in a financial fraud case who attempted this defense?

Cheers!

7 posted on 02/13/2010 6:52:01 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: RobFromGa

Yeah, the dog ate the thermometer too and you can see it sticking out behind kind of holding his tail out like an upside down hockeystick!


8 posted on 02/13/2010 6:52:20 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: neverdem
Liars have to have good memories.
9 posted on 02/13/2010 6:52:34 PM PST by TYVets (Let's Roll!!! The leadership of the GOP has no spine and no guts, but we conservatives do)
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To: neverdem

These people need to be in JAIL!

They tried to take our money and freedom on the basis of something they KNEW was sloppy!

Instead look for them to get awards and bonuses - who says crime doesn’t pay. If you’re a big lib, it pays very well....


10 posted on 02/13/2010 6:52:36 PM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: neverdem
He also agreed that there had been two periods which experienced similar warming, from 1910 to 1940 and from 1975 to 1998, but said these could be explained by natural phenomena whereas more recent warming could not.

He further admitted that in the last 15 years there had been no ‘statistically significant’ warming, although he argued this was a blip rather than the long-term trend...

So Jones is saying that 1910 to 1940 warming and 1975 to 1998 warming can be explained by natural processes, but more recent warming cannot. He further says that there has been no statistically significant warming in the last 15 years. That would cover 1998 to now. So the only warming he claims that cannot be explained by natural causes is the warming that didn't actually take place!

11 posted on 02/13/2010 6:54:40 PM PST by pjd
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To: neverdem

This actually makes sense to me, in the context that Dr. Jones has committed so many sins, by commission and omission that this is all he has that could possibly constitute a defense. He is guilt ridden and facing disgrace, civil suites and perhaps criminal charges. That’s the best he can do, because of the enormity of his many sins.


12 posted on 02/13/2010 6:55:46 PM PST by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: neverdem
The admissions will be seized on by sceptics as fresh evidence that there are serious flaws at the heart of the science of climate change and the orthodoxy that recent rises in temperature are largely man-made.

The admissions will be seized on by anyone caring about the scientific truth. As they should be.

13 posted on 02/13/2010 6:56:43 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: neverdem

Hmm, only one guy in charge of Global Warming data and if he loses the records he forgets where the data to support his theory came from?

Balderdash.


14 posted on 02/13/2010 6:58:45 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: DariusBane

To imagine paying for a college education or being in the pipeline on research, papers, results and career-generating decisions and work that is based on the frauds this has perpetrated against students, families, banks, communities and entire faculty should lead to multiple class-action suits. I don’t care who you are, this is a sink hole the size of the Grand Canyon.


15 posted on 02/13/2010 6:59:39 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: neverdem

Drip, drip, drip........


16 posted on 02/13/2010 7:02:25 PM PST by Roccus (POLITICIAN.....................a four letter word spelled with ten letters.)
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To: neverdem
I am not a crook!
17 posted on 02/13/2010 7:02:39 PM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Sandy Burgler got away with it.


18 posted on 02/13/2010 7:03:43 PM PST by Roccus (POLITICIAN.....................a four letter word spelled with ten letters.)
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To: neverdem
Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused Freedom of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant papers.

Misplaced them in the shredder.

19 posted on 02/13/2010 7:03:55 PM PST by behzinlea
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To: neverdem; Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused Freedom of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant papers."
Ahhheemmmm. BS. By his own admissions within the body of his emails to his cronies he admitted they must continue to figure out ways to hide the decline in global temperatures, and must be careful of the FOA issue.
Now let the American L/MSM finally stop hiding and start to do some honest reporting for a change.
It would be nice to see some accurate checks of what this paper claims Jones has admitted.
20 posted on 02/13/2010 7:04:32 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: neverdem
Anybody that believes anything coming from the mouth of Phil Jones is bigger fool than Al Gore. These guys are just trying to cover their rear ends.

Steve McIntyre over at ClimateAudit.org filed the British version of Freedom of Information requests for years with CRU and they weren't turning him down because they were embarrassed to show how disorganized they were. They turned him down because they knew he was smart enough to skunk them out of the scam they were and continue to be participating in. ClimateGate is the direct result of those FOI inquiries by McIntyre. He should be Time Man of the Year for the work he has done. But of course we all know that will never happen since Time doesn't give out that "honor" to real heroes.

21 posted on 02/13/2010 7:04:33 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: Tzimisce

>> These people need to be in JAIL!

These people are pawns, and the radical ‘science’ their weaponry.


22 posted on 02/13/2010 7:07:11 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: neverdem

The entire man made “global warming/climate change” movement is dead.....

However, that won’t stop the government, because they have figured out a way to extract revenue from us, by using that as a reason.


23 posted on 02/13/2010 7:07:47 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Gene Eric

We got Gored.


24 posted on 02/13/2010 7:10:49 PM PST by 353FMG (Save the Planet -- Eliminate Socialism)
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To: neverdem
vital data was not well organised

I guess the Hitler diaries, the Howard Hughes autobiography, and the Texas Air National Guard documents were similarly "not well organised."

25 posted on 02/13/2010 7:10:59 PM PST by denydenydeny ("Leftists are like vampires; shine a light on what they are doing and they retreat."-Andrew Klavan)
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To: neverdem; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Don’t see any mention of this yet in the BBC. Guess they are wondering where their pension plans are going to go.


26 posted on 02/13/2010 7:11:42 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: neverdem
has admitted that he has trouble ‘keeping track’ of the information.

Also known as the Arthur Andersen excuse.

27 posted on 02/13/2010 7:13:05 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: neverdem
This has been an attempted takeover of the governments of the entire Western World that may be failing. The historical punishment for such efforts when they fail has always been execution of the perpetrators.

It may be failing because governments are still implementing the AGW measures or trying to. The EPA is moving to control everything with the regulation that will come with its declaration of CO2 to be a pollutant. The Republicans may reverse that rule in Congress if they are able to overcome ACORN in November and President Soetoro may possibly not veto that.

That EPA ruling demonstrates that EPA has near plenipotentiary powers already and we have to rely on Congress vetoing each new usurpation as it happens. Much of EPA's damage will be a continual tightening of rules without such declarations in the future even with a Republican Congress because the voters will not notice it as it happens and Congress won't care. Eventually EPA will do it all to us without any Cap&Trade laws. Such pressure is inherent in the very existence of the organization.

28 posted on 02/13/2010 7:16:24 PM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: neverdem

“I’m not a liar, I’m just incompetent. That’s why they made me the one and only, world renowned global warming record keeper, on whom everyone in the field relies.”


29 posted on 02/13/2010 7:16:56 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: neverdem
No data that Jones has controlled can be trusted.

Toss those tens of thousands of pages into a bonfire.

30 posted on 02/13/2010 7:17:48 PM PST by TChad
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To: neverdem
The academic at the centre of the ‘Climategate’ affair, whose raw data is crucial to the theory of climate change, has admitted that he has trouble ‘keeping track’ of the information.

Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused Freedom of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant papers.

Then he shouldn't publish the research.

31 posted on 02/13/2010 7:18:01 PM PST by gitmo (FR vs DU: n4mage vs DUmage)
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To: neverdem

Throwing himself under the bus.


32 posted on 02/13/2010 7:20:38 PM PST by Iron Munro (God is great, Beer is good, People are crazy)
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To: muawiyah
My 21yo daughter is taking a meteorology class this semester. She told me last night it's her favorite class ever (she's always been a weather nerd tho).

The professor told them the 1st day that global warming is a hoax, and every day he tells them more and more lies that have been perpetrated on us.

Stuff I've been telling her for years, but of course they usually have to hear it from someone else at that age!

BTW, I think that prof is head of the department....or else he'd be long gone.

Mrs. Prince of Space

33 posted on 02/13/2010 7:23:07 PM PST by Prince of Space ("Hi Mom!")
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To: gitmo

He should be arrested for theft of public funds in my opinion. Global warming is a total hoax. The earth is cooling because of a lack of sun spots as it did in the early 1800s during the Maunder minimum. These liars are making their house payments on a lie!!


34 posted on 02/13/2010 7:24:01 PM PST by ReyTurner
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To: neverdem
Meanwhile, from this side of The Pond....

2 Views, 1 'Climategate' Rally On Penn State Campus

35 posted on 02/13/2010 7:27:28 PM PST by mewzilla (I'm not a socialist. Heck, yes, I hope Barry fails. Sheesh.)
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To: RobFromGa
his dog ate the temperature records...

No problem. Phil and Mike can make some more.

36 posted on 02/13/2010 7:34:01 PM PST by seton89 (Use Amendment X as your email signature)
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To: neverdem
And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.

This is the main scientist in Gorebal Scamming

Pray for America's Freedom

37 posted on 02/13/2010 7:36:13 PM PST by bray (Throw All the Bums Out, starting with McCain)
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To: cogitator

Ping of possible interest. Phil Jones admits no warming of any sort in the past 15 years and that his records are screwed up.


38 posted on 02/13/2010 7:36:56 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: neverdem

*coughBS*cough*

You take a set of totally RANDOM numbers... as many as you want. Put them into the program used to generate the Hockey Stick graph and you know what you get?

Just guess.

Come on guess.....

A HOCKEY STICK GRAPH.

Don’t tell me that was “Accidental” Yea, like pregnancy is accidental. RIIIIIIGH.


39 posted on 02/13/2010 7:37:25 PM PST by Danae (Don't like our Constitution? Try living in a country with out one.)
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To: neverdem

Hitler rant on global warming and Al Gore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=672w0G7lvYE


40 posted on 02/13/2010 7:40:51 PM PST by seawolf101
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To: arthurus
>This has been an attempted takeover of the governments of the entire Western World that may be failing. The historical punishment for such efforts when they fail has always been execution of the perpetrators.

It may be failing because governments are still implementing the AGW measures or trying to. The EPA is moving to control everything with the regulation that will come with its declaration of CO2 to be a pollutant. The Republicans may reverse that rule in Congress if they are able to overcome ACORN in November and President Soetoro may possibly not veto that.

That EPA ruling demonstrates that EPA has near plenipotentiary powers already and we have to rely on Congress vetoing each new usurpation as it happens. Much of EPA's damage will be a continual tightening of rules without such declarations in the future even with a Republican Congress because the voters will not notice it as it happens and Congress won't care. Eventually EPA will do it all to us without any Cap&Trade laws. Such pressure is inherent in the very existence of the organization.

Kudos to you Sir. An articulate and right on the money post. This is what is really going on.

41 posted on 02/13/2010 7:41:24 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: arthurus

BINGO. I agree completely.

The EPA is an agency that must be eradicated. Lets make that a mission hum?


42 posted on 02/13/2010 7:48:16 PM PST by Danae (Don't like our Constitution? Try living in a country with out one.)
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To: Roccus
Were the purloined socks documents his own? Or did he steal on someone else's behalf?

Cheers!

43 posted on 02/13/2010 7:54:49 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Tough to tell. He was “...so disorganized.”


44 posted on 02/13/2010 7:58:18 PM PST by Roccus (POLITICIAN.....................a four letter word spelled with ten letters.)
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To: mewzilla

Thanks for the link.


45 posted on 02/13/2010 8:02:31 PM PST by neverdem
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To: Marine_Uncle; neverdem; SunkenCiv; Fred Nerks; steelyourfaith; NormsRevenge; Oynx; BOBTHENAILER

Wow...


46 posted on 02/13/2010 8:06:13 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: neverdem

Here is his problem:

The emails show over and over -— one of the most common themes-— that the group actively hid from FOIA requests. In one email, one of them vows to destroy data rather than turn it over.

And now that the pressure is inescapable, he claims to have “lost” the data. I might actually believe him if he can point to one of the leaked emails where the scientists discuss missing data, as opposed to secret data, destroying data, hiding data, manipulating data, ...


47 posted on 02/13/2010 8:07:12 PM PST by TennesseeProfessor
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To: neverdem

bump


48 posted on 02/13/2010 8:08:06 PM PST by VOA (f)
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To: TennesseeProfessor
We live in WA state, one of the most radical environmental states in the country. My husband served as the industry adviser on one of the governor's advisory boards. The rest of the members were rabid environmentalists. One of the committee meetings for this board was held in the office of one of the radical environmental groups, Friends of Puget Sound, because there was a reception for the governor the same day at the hotel where this group had offices (not a coincidence). The group forgot about the industry adviser being present and left the notes from the previous night's meeting on the black board. The notes were titled, "Things that could stand in the way of achieving our agenda." Number one on the list was, "Over reliance on global warming." The other one that my husband was remembered, the last one, was, "Rich white men suck."

This was probably 2005. These people knew back in 2005, that global warming was a farce. They had already changed their MO to concentrating on water issues.

49 posted on 02/13/2010 8:16:52 PM PST by Eva (Obama bin Lyin)
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To: mewzilla
There is a book just published by the Blogger Bishop Hill regarding the Hockey Stick scam by Prof Mann.

FR Thread I posted:

Bishop Hill: Gonzo science and the Hockey Stick ( Prof Mann and the Hockeystick )

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Torturing the climate numbers until they confess


50 posted on 02/13/2010 8:16:53 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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