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Spain curbs 'millionaire' pay for air traffic controllers (incredible salaries)
Breitbart.com ^ | Feb 5th, 2010 | Breitbart

Posted on 02/14/2010 11:07:55 AM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009

According to figures released by the transport ministry last week, 135 controllers earned more than 600,000 euros (830,000 US dollars) per year while 713 earned between 360,000 and 540,000 euros.

By comparison Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero earns just under 92,000 euros a year while the average salary in Spain is just over 18,000 euros per year, according to government figures.

In addition, the controllers can retire at the age of 52.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: eu; europe; spain; unions
Incredible. The Fall of the West. If they make nearly a MILLION DOLLARS a year while they are working, then retire at 52, don't they get $30,000,000 in retirement pay, if they live long enough??? Total of $50,000,000 each??? What country could ever support this? Oh yeah: Spain, US, UAW, Obama, SEIU, they all want to try!!!

Where's Reagan when ya need him???

1 posted on 02/14/2010 11:07:55 AM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

The PATCO people who read this, the Professional Air Traffic Controllers Union, must be green with envy. Time to bring in the Army like Ronnie Reagan and fire them all.


2 posted on 02/14/2010 11:10:20 AM PST by rovenstinez (All)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

That’s where ours’d be if not for the Gipper.


3 posted on 02/14/2010 11:13:30 AM PST by sinanju
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

I wonder what the average is in the EU that they will be cut to?
From the article,” The union representing the controllers said it would take legal action to defend their existing collective agreement.

Despite their high pay, the controllers staged a work-to-rule protest at the end of 2009 which caused flight delays during the busy Christmas period. “
I guess the union has no choice but to try and defend the indefensible. The idea they staged a slowdown while making abusd salaries shows how stupid they are. If i was vastly overpaid i’d make sure i was never noticed.


4 posted on 02/14/2010 11:14:27 AM PST by wiggen (Never in the history of our great country have the people had less representation than they do today)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Bookmark.


5 posted on 02/14/2010 11:15:50 AM PST by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Zapatero is not worth one EURO.


6 posted on 02/14/2010 11:16:38 AM PST by AndyPH
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

The brains in Spain are mainly in the drain.


7 posted on 02/14/2010 11:18:22 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham ("Did I give you carbolic acid? I'd love to.")
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To: rovenstinez
Time to bring in the Army like Ronnie Reagan and fire them all.

Oh, he didn't fire them. They quit.

8 posted on 02/14/2010 11:19:07 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham ("Did I give you carbolic acid? I'd love to.")
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
While governments spend , mind boggling amounts of money theyt do not have............they create class warfare and distract the masses

Rome burns, we argue over the benefits and never see the real expenses.

9 posted on 02/14/2010 11:21:32 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

You don’t suppose that they were Union Members?


10 posted on 02/14/2010 11:26:43 AM PST by supermop (Somebody has to clean up the mess he will leave)
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To: wiggen
I wonder what the average is in the EU that they will be cut to?

I read somewhere it's about $200 - $250K (in Euros of course). Even after their outrageous taxes that's still a lot of money.

The job isn't that hard or that stressful.

11 posted on 02/14/2010 11:27:21 AM PST by Felis_irritable (Fool me once, I'll punch you in the...er, something or other...)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

There is a good reason why Chevy Chase, MD is one of the wealthiest towns in the US, while Fairfax and Loudon Counties on the other side of the Potomac are now the wealthiest in the country: the state pays very well these days.


12 posted on 02/14/2010 11:27:38 AM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

If there is a silver lining to this world wide economic crisis it is that the average citizen is begining to see that unions in general and public employee unions in particular are not good for the rest of us.

Will these hard times bring down public employee unions? I am beginning to get hope that it will.


13 posted on 02/14/2010 11:30:11 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN
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To: Felis_irritable

Putting my yet to be conceived grandchildren on the waiting list for those jobs. The line has to be that long.


14 posted on 02/14/2010 11:30:14 AM PST by wiggen (Never in the history of our great country have the people had less representation than they do today)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

My guess is Spain has a pathetic military thus does not have a large pool of people to train as civilian air traffic controllers. Non-military people could be trained from the bottom up.....

At any rate this is the most egregious rip off of the tax-payer by public sector employees that I’ve ever seen. This takes the prize especially since it’s a large group of people


15 posted on 02/14/2010 11:37:58 AM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: wiggen

I heard EU “average” is STILL around a quarter of a million $$$ per year.

And did you see the they seem to be allowed to “negotiate” salaries with ... wait for it ... themselves?

Geeeee I wonder how they managed to fix it so that they get $800,000 a year in pay (was $1,000,000 when Euro was higher).

NO union employees at all in any government - they are all vampire squids who don’t even bother to work.

Let ‘em go destroy a few more private companies, like PanAm, Eastern, GM, etc.

Think “Patty and Selma” ...........


16 posted on 02/14/2010 11:43:42 AM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

The brains in Spain are mainly in the drain.

Man, I laughed.

The brains in Spain are mainly in the drain.

Just had to hear it again......


17 posted on 02/14/2010 11:44:50 AM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Thanks ... for some reason that just popped into my head.


18 posted on 02/14/2010 11:51:38 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham ("Did I give you carbolic acid? I'd love to.")
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

It’s true they earn too much, but so is Spain, a country were few privileged have earned a lot of money in the real estate and green energy bubbles whilst the majority is getting poorer.

The news are just another attempt of Zapatero’s government to distract the Spanish people from their inability of facing the country’s problems.


19 posted on 02/14/2010 11:55:49 AM PST by J Aguilar (Fiat Justitia et ruat coelum)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

Will these hard times bring down public employee unions? I am beginning to get hope that it will.
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These contracts will only get renegotiated when a particular county or state gov’t goes bankrupt. Many out of sight pensions have been fraudulently negotiated. Some pensions are being received right now. The only those get ratcheted down is when a county or state declares bankruptcy or something very close to that. They may choose the later, an orderly negotiated lite-bankruptcy, in order to keep their ability to float bonds


20 posted on 02/14/2010 11:58:12 AM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: dennisw
Non-military people could be trained from the bottom up.....

The US FAA used to do it this way, they seemed to prefer starting with a tabula rasa so to speak. I don't know how things are presently.

21 posted on 02/14/2010 12:04:47 PM PST by Felis_irritable (Fool me once, I'll punch you in the...er, something or other...)
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To: dennisw

My reply to all (from my poor fund of personal knowledge ...)

PanAm, Eastern, GM, and a hundred more ............

Hell, I’ll even add the USA air traffic controllers under Reagan ....

See a common pattern? That continues to this day?

I do.

Think about it (not just you but I mean everyone)

Why is this POS sneering Andy Stern such a hot visitor to the WH ?

What does everyone think he and ZERO are doing together?

I know what I think.


22 posted on 02/14/2010 12:08:34 PM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Now, let’s be fair here.

THe ATC guys did HAVE to learn a second language - English. THat should be worth something.


23 posted on 02/14/2010 12:33:46 PM PST by ASOC (In case of attack, tune to 640 kilocycles or 1240 kilocycles on your AM dial.)
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To: Felis_irritable

Really, where did you work traffic at??


24 posted on 02/14/2010 12:41:09 PM PST by PushinTin (NEVER, argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience!!)
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To: rovenstinez
Time to bring in the Army like Ronnie Reagan and fire them all.

For the most part, though not all, it was the Air Force. I would have deployed to a civilian airport except I was already over seas when it happened. My compensation for 20 years of stress was $761 a month. That was 22 years ago, so it is about $1,600 a month now. Needless to say, when my career was over, I did not want to talk to another airplane ever again. PATCO had extremely poor leadership. I knew 4 former FAA controllers who said they really did not want to strike, but got pressured into it.

25 posted on 02/14/2010 12:49:05 PM PST by Mark17
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To: AndyPH

Zapatero is a shoemaker.

(literally...)


26 posted on 02/14/2010 12:50:07 PM PST by mikrofon (A pat Zero)
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To: Felis_irritable
The job isn't that hard or that stressful.

I worked one of the world's busiest airports, Bien Hoa Air Base, Vietnam, Laughlin AFB, Del Rio, TX, and Travis AFB, CA. Trust me, it was not easy and it was plenty streeful.

27 posted on 02/14/2010 12:58:28 PM PST by Mark17
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To: Mark17

Curremt pay scale seems to range from $33,700 to $110,000 (2008).


28 posted on 02/14/2010 1:08:40 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: Old Professer

Is that for US or Spain?


29 posted on 02/14/2010 1:11:39 PM PST by Mark17
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To: Felis_irritable

It was even stressful. :)


30 posted on 02/14/2010 1:12:50 PM PST by Mark17
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To: Mark17

Sorry, USA FAA


31 posted on 02/14/2010 1:22:36 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: Mark17
...it was not easy and it was plenty streeful.

I didn't say it was easy or it wasn't stressful...I wrote it's not that hard or that stressful. I have some very close friends who work it...from their war stories GS-14 sounds about right.

Do you really think the job is worth $500,000 per year? That was my point

32 posted on 02/14/2010 2:09:53 PM PST by Felis_irritable (Fool me once, I'll punch you in the...er, something or other...)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Incredible salaries yes, but, then again, when my plane lands in Madrid, would I care to have it’s Prime Minister filling in for an air traffic controller; and how would that vote come out by the rest of my fellow passengers.

Maybe the question should be - who is more important to us; who should be more important to us; a politician who thinks his job is to fund his form of benevolence with our money, or the people who help keep our very crowded airport runways safe?

Just a little perspective; while not trying to defend any particular salaries of any particular public servants.


33 posted on 02/14/2010 2:53:43 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Mark17

You can now say that you’ve heard from 5, the leadership made out but the average controller took the brunt of the blame. Of course, my blood pressure was 30 points lower 3 weeks after the strike, but that’s just coincedence.


34 posted on 02/14/2010 4:45:16 PM PST by par4 (Proud new member of the racist corps)
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To: Wuli
I think that the job could be done at the highest levels of performance with people who do not get to set their own compensation at public expense - apparently these Spanish ATCs have been setting their own salaries for the past decade:

"Currently it is the employees who manage and organise this public service," he said, referring to a 1999 agreement which granted air traffic controllers autonomy and control over their salaries.
35 posted on 05/06/2010 6:22:45 AM PDT by Enchante (Obama and Brennan think that 20% of terrorists re-joining the battle is just fine with them)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Oh, he didn't fire them. They quit.

Not according to HISTORY...


The federal dreadnought turned all its big guns on the hapless strikers. PATCO leaders were hauled off to jail for ignoring court injunctions against a strike. The Justice Department proceeded with indictments against 75 controllers. Federal judges levied fines amounting to $1 million a day against the union while the strike lasted. Over 11,000 strikers received their pink slips, while 1,200 went back to work within a week's time. Morale among the strikers was shaky. "I thought Reagan was bluffing," lamented one controller. In October the Federal Labor Relations Authority decertified PATCO.

36 posted on 06/02/2010 4:43:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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