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George Washington’s Tear-Jerker
The New York Times ^ | February 14, 2010 | JOHN R. MILLER

Posted on 02/15/2010 4:21:18 AM PST by Pharmboy

CIVILIAN control of the military is a cherished principle in American government. It was President Obama who decided to increase our involvement in Afghanistan, and it is Congress that will decide whether to appropriate the money to carry out his decision. It is the president and Congress, not the military, that will decide whether our laws should be changed to allow gays and lesbians to serve in our armed forces. The military advises, but the civilian leadership decides.

Yet if not for the actions of George Washington, whose birthday we celebrate, sort of, this month, America might have moved in a very different direction.

In early 1783, with Revolutionary War victory in sight but peace uncertain, Washington and the Continental Army bivouacked at Newburgh, N.Y. Troops were enraged by Congress’s failure to provide promised back pay and pensions. Rumors of mutiny abounded.

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Washington then opened a letter from a sympathetic congressman, but soon appeared to grow distracted. As his men wondered what was wrong, Washington pulled out a pair of glasses, which even his officers had never seen before. “Gentlemen,” he said, “you must pardon me, for I have grown not only gray but blind in the service of my country.”

The officers were stunned. Many openly wept. Their mutinous mood gave way immediately to affection for their commander.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Extended News; US: New York
KEYWORDS: generalwashington; georgewashington; godsgravesglyphs; presidents; presidentsday; revwar
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I believe it is news when the NY Times acknowledges the greatness of General Washington.

Aside from character and incredible courage in the face of battlefield danger, this is a man whose instincts--no matter how much they went against his time's conventional wisdom--almost always were right.

As I have taught my children, make no mistake: this country was founded upon the character of The General.

1 posted on 02/15/2010 4:21:18 AM PST by Pharmboy
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The Newburgh, NY Headquarters of General Washington

The RevWar/Colonial Histroy/General Washington ping list...

2 posted on 02/15/2010 4:25:51 AM PST by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: Pharmboy

Obama and Congress are not CIVILIANS. They are the Government. The people should decide if homosexuals should serve in THEIR military..


3 posted on 02/15/2010 4:32:01 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA
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To: Pharmboy

Many revolutions have failed due to the egos of generals. It is easy to forget just how remarkable the founding fathers were in human history.


4 posted on 02/15/2010 4:37:26 AM PST by dog breath
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To: Pharmboy; onyx; seekthetruth; wardaddy; Republic

Oh my! God is good!

“As his men wondered what was wrong, Washington pulled out a pair of glasses, which even his officers had never seen before. “Gentlemen,” he said, “you must pardon me, for I have grown not only gray but blind in the service of my country.”

His officers began to weep openly as I am doing right now.

You’re right, Pharmboy - that the NYT would print this today - is another of God’s many miracles going on right now.

Pinging a few again please forgive.

By the way - my DAR membership application is now in.


5 posted on 02/15/2010 4:43:09 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Ronald Reagan: If American ever ceases to be a nation under God, she will be a nation gone under.")
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To: Pharmboy; onyx; seekthetruth; wardaddy; Republic

Oh my! God is good!

“As his men wondered what was wrong, Washington pulled out a pair of glasses, which even his officers had never seen before. “Gentlemen,” he said, “you must pardon me, for I have grown not only gray but blind in the service of my country.”

His officers began to weep openly as I am doing right now.

You’re right, Pharmboy - that the NYT would print this today - is another of God’s many miracles going on right now.

Pinging a few again please forgive.

By the way - my DAR membership application is now in.


6 posted on 02/15/2010 4:43:27 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Ronald Reagan: If American ever ceases to be a nation under God, she will be a nation gone under.")
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Excellent! The DAR is a wonderful organization as is the Sons of the American Revolution.


7 posted on 02/15/2010 4:50:27 AM PST by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: Pharmboy
A very good book of GW - His Excellency: George Washington by Joseph Ellis.
8 posted on 02/15/2010 4:50:39 AM PST by jla (Gingrich/(Liz) Cheney 2012?)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

I’m interested in the DAR. I believe I am eligibe, sinc my Great great great........granfather was Washington’s commander until about 1754. At the time my ancestor died, Washington was promoted to Commander to replace Joshua Fry, my gr.gr.gr...etc. Grandfather.

I wonder what value it might be for me to join the DAR.


9 posted on 02/15/2010 5:21:07 AM PST by EggsAckley ( There's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply!)
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To: Pharmboy

I often wonder if many American now days appreciate how truly incomparable our system is.

Since teachers (along with the MSM) now insist on revisionist versions of our history and stress everything that is negative in the political/social/military equation which produced the U.S.A… I am not optimistic.

The premise that most young people miss and I think, many others have forgotten is that the U.S. was a gigantic gamble on the part of the founders. The entire civilized world held the lowest opinion of the idea of a ‘democracy’ in practice and had no confidence that such a system could endure…anywhere, least of all in a new, weak, disorganized, vulnerable and struggling nation.

Europeans had an experience with governments and power which was cynical and they distrusted human nature so far that their expectations for the ‘American’ experiment were minimal.

I remember reading that Napoleon I was shocked that Washington stood down at the end of his term of office. No one on earth could believe that an individual who held full power with access to all resources of government would voluntarily walk away from such a position. It WAS the most noble and selfless act anyone had ever seen!

I wish that this country could fully comprehend how remarkable our history has been. I am sure that once they understand, our country could NOT remain the home that it is to all and sundry who wallow in their ignorance and gratuitous hatred for America and Americans.


10 posted on 02/15/2010 5:26:57 AM PST by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think. " Adolph Hitler)
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To: Pharmboy

Simply, The Greatest. Period.


11 posted on 02/15/2010 5:37:23 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: EggsAckley

That would not be DAR. Long before the Revolution.

If you are female (I assume, by D-AR), perhaps Colonial Dames? Maybe there is another 7-Years’ War/French-Indian society.


12 posted on 02/15/2010 5:38:58 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: SMARTY

I think you mean George III. Nappy was not even in any real service at that time. But legend has it that Nap remarked that “They wanted me to be a Washington” on his deathbed.


13 posted on 02/15/2010 5:44:25 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Pharmboy
In early 1783, with Revolutionary War victory in sight but peace uncertain

That's a stretch. There had been no hostilities or military action in about two years. Negotiations were ongoing in Paris toward a peace treaty, which was agreed to about 6 months after Washington's eyeglasses speech.

Don't get me wrong - this was a great and effective speech by Washington, but the Times is acting the part of a drama queen here. The issue wasn't fear of the war moving forward, but the mistreatment of the military forces WRT to pay and such.

14 posted on 02/15/2010 5:51:08 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: the OlLine Rebel

It was Napoleon I as well as Geo. III. I remember that distinctly, because I have read about 150 biographies of the guy, and many included his personal conversations and comments....


15 posted on 02/15/2010 5:56:00 AM PST by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think. " Adolph Hitler)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

That’s where Joshua lost his life, the French/Indians wars. That’s where he was Washington’s commander.

Joshua sired a LOT of children, and his descendents keep popping up in history after that. There is a very close relationship between Lincoln and Joshua Fry Speed.

Interesting stuff.


16 posted on 02/15/2010 5:57:01 AM PST by EggsAckley ( There's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply!)
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To: SMARTY
Very well put...I would guess that you are a writer.

And to your point, although my children were all taught in public schools, I always "home-schooled" them in US history.

17 posted on 02/15/2010 5:58:20 AM PST by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: Pharmboy
I am not a writer. I just read a lot.

It's a good thing if school-age children in this country have people at home to de program the propaganda in the public schools.

If nothing else, children should know that the school ‘version’ is not the only version and certainly NOT the complete version, because omission is as much as a lie when talking about history. How would a young person get any kind of perspective on history if facts are omitted?

18 posted on 02/15/2010 6:04:27 AM PST by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think. " Adolph Hitler)
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To: SMARTY

I guess Nap could’ve been “shocked” even if just a grunt in school. I just haven’t heard any reference between the 2 except Nap as leader.

When you stated “the guy”, which guy?


19 posted on 02/15/2010 6:08:33 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: savedbygrace

Well, here is a list of battles AFTER Yorktown:

Revolutionary War Battles for the Year 1782-1783

JANUARY
3rd, Videau’s Bridge, SC
12th-15th, New Cut/Johns Island, SC
14th, Dorchester, SC

FEBRUARY
11th, Deep River, NC
14th, Wambaw Creek, SC
24th, Durant’s Plantation/Wambaw Creek, SC
24th, Beaufort, SC
25th, Tydimon’s Plantation, SC

MARCH
4th, Morrisania (Third), NY
8th, Gnaddenhutten, OH
15th, Middleton Plantation, SC
19th, HMS Alligator captured
31st-April 1st, Farrow’s Station, SC
??, Lower Settlements, SC

APRIL
2nd, Bryant’s Mills, SC
4th-17th, Beaufort, SC
9th-12th, Saintes Passage, West Indies
12th, Altamaha River, GA
21st, Dorchester, SC
24th, Dorchester (Third), SC

MAY
8th, New Providence, Bahamas
8th, Orangeburgh, SC
20th, Ogeechee Ferry/Harris’s Bridge, GA
21st, Ogechee Road, GA
24th, Sharon, GA
24th, Dean’s Swamp, SC
28th, Dorchester, SC

JUNE
1st, Amelia Township, SC
4th, Sandusky, OH
23rd, Ebenezer, GA

JULY
11th, Savannah, GA
13th, Hannastown, PA
25th, Skidway Island, GA
??, James Island, SC

AUGUST
7th, Badge of Military Merit (Purple Heart) medal established
19th, Blue Licks, Ky.
27th, Combahee Ferry, SC
29th, Fair Lawn, SC
29th, Wadboo, SC
??, Whitehall, SC

SEPTEMBER
2nd, Port Royal Ferry, SC
11th-13th, Fort Henry, VA
??, Edisto Island, SC

OCTOBER
20th, Cape Spartel, Tangier
??, Saltketcher Swamp, SC

NOVEMBER
4th, Johns Island, SC
10th, Chillicothe, OH
14th, James Island, SC
27th, Peace Talks begin
30th, Paris, France (Provisional Treaty)

DECEMBER
14th, Charlestown, SC

1783
.......... JANUARY
20th, Preliminary Articles of Peace signed
.......... FEBRUARY
4th, England proclaims a Cessation of Hostilities with United States
.......... APRIL
11th, Congress proclaims a Cessation of Hostilities
15th, Congress ratifies Treaty of Peace .......... SEPTEMBER
3rd, Paris, France (Treaty of Paris)
.......... NOVEMBER
3rd, Continental Army troops discharged
25th, New York City, NY
.......... DECEMBER
4th, Last British troops leave


20 posted on 02/15/2010 6:08:34 AM PST by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: savedbygrace

There were plenty of skirmishes. Yes it was being worked on, but no guarantees.

As for what the issue was, I think it’s very plain in the article that the point was GW helped avert military control of the government.


21 posted on 02/15/2010 6:12:34 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Uh, they ARE “civilians”, when it is defined as anyone non-military (strictly speaking).


22 posted on 02/15/2010 6:13:08 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Indeed.

Always look forward to your comments on these threads...

23 posted on 02/15/2010 6:14:02 AM PST by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: Pharmboy

Well, I have obviously been misled by an insufficient study. I must get some better resource books.

I apologize and stand corrected.


24 posted on 02/15/2010 6:14:44 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: the OlLine Rebel

See #24.


25 posted on 02/15/2010 6:15:31 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: Pharmboy

I have heard this story numerous times. The only thing that amazes me here is that it appears in the NY Times at all.


26 posted on 02/15/2010 6:23:05 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Pharmboy

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27 posted on 02/15/2010 6:27:36 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: savedbygrace
I didn't mean to lay it on too thick, but there was a fair amount of death and destruction after Yorktown; however, most of these were skirmishes and not battles like Guilford Courthouse, Saratoga or Monmouth, so the fighting was minor compared to what happened BEFORE Yorktown.

And you are obviously a gentleman...

28 posted on 02/15/2010 6:28:04 AM PST by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: Lee'sGhost

Yes...if this were published almost anywhere else, I would not have posted it. Anyone who has ever studied a bit about the RevWar or The General would indeed know this story, but since it was in the Times today, I thought it newsworthy.


29 posted on 02/15/2010 6:30:57 AM PST by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping of interest: George Washington!


30 posted on 02/15/2010 6:32:33 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (To view the FR@Alabama ping list, click on my profile!)
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To: savedbygrace

History “lessons” (including shows on TV) always gives the *impression* that the war ends with Cornwallis’ surrender.

It’s not as simple as that.

Just another example of how various basic history resources give wrong impressions. I’ve had such impressions on other aspects of history, myself, thanks to these tidy clean-ups. How about “the evil US” concentrated Japanese ethnics in camps for WWII - NOT beloved FDR. Or that Italians and Germans were also rounded up for same?


31 posted on 02/15/2010 6:34:45 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I meant Napoleon I.

Washington was, even in his life time, the yard stick against which the ‘republican’ leadership in post-revolutionary France was measured.

Napoleon I was keenly aware of the comparisons which were continuously made between Washington and himself. His enemies especially loved casting this comparison in his face.

It was done both during his rise to Empire and during his rule as Emperor. Having come to control on the tide of Republican sentiment, Napoleon hated being held to Republican ideals because, he was in fact a dictator who held and wielded more power than Louis ever had in France. Also, Napoleon I was more forceful and blunt in his methods than any American at that time or since would regard as ‘democratic’ OR ‘republican’’.

Much of the discord between Napoleon I and other (even puppet) officials of his Empire, Marshals, generals and publishers, etc. stemmed from Napoleon’s abandonment of strict ‘republican’ ideals, once he held power. Even some of his family challenged him on this. It was a regular tight-rope act of appearing Republican on the one hand and for example, gagging newspapers, crowning his siblings, etc. on the other.


32 posted on 02/15/2010 6:36:43 AM PST by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think. " Adolph Hitler)
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To: Pharmboy
Yet if not for the actions of George Washington, whose birthday we celebrate, sort of,

Yep and given enough time they will do away with even this pitiful remembrance because Washington was an 'evil slave holding white guy'. So who do we in this country give homage to with their own holiday instead? The only American with a holiday? A communist/Marxist that many/most people fall over themselves as to what a great man he was... We are a sick nation.

33 posted on 02/15/2010 6:52:03 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Pharmboy
“Gentlemen,” he said, “you must pardon me, for I have grown not only gray but blind in the service of my country.”

Kinda puts our everyday 'problems' into perspective.

34 posted on 02/15/2010 7:05:29 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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Oh. Wasn’t meant as a criticism. Just observing NY Times aspect.

Sorry.


35 posted on 02/15/2010 7:28:45 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: StarCMC; Kathy in Alaska; Bethbg79; EsmeraldaA; MoJo2001; Brad's Gramma; laurenmarlowe; ...

forgive my using my Canteen ping list but the story touched me.


36 posted on 02/15/2010 7:39:41 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Lee'sGhost
It is difficult for tone to come across in posts. I, in fact, was agreeing with you and meant no disrespect in my post. As I said in my first post on this thread I believe it is news when the NY Times acknowledges the greatness of General Washington.

It is indeed rare when the libs acknowledge Washington's greatness...I think that February 22nd should be restored as a national holiday, and perhaps when a large number of these pretenders are kicked out in November, we can get that done.

37 posted on 02/15/2010 7:40:14 AM PST by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: Pharmboy

Happy Presidents Day bump.


38 posted on 02/15/2010 7:53:28 AM PST by aculeus
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To: SandRat

Thank you, Sandy! God bless the REAL heroes! They are still
being made!


39 posted on 02/15/2010 8:12:02 AM PST by LUV W (DIMs?......start packin'--you're fired!)
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To: Pharmboy

None of this really matters since schools want to start American History as beginning in 1860.


40 posted on 02/15/2010 8:31:01 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Pharmboy

I’ll vote for that.


41 posted on 02/15/2010 8:35:25 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Rebelbase

Boy are you ever right about that...


42 posted on 02/15/2010 8:43:12 AM PST by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: SandRat

Thank you!


43 posted on 02/15/2010 8:54:41 AM PST by amom
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt; Pharmboy

This is a keeper.
Thanks you two.


44 posted on 02/15/2010 9:17:03 AM PST by onyx (BE A MONTHLY DONOR - I AM)
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Awesome.

I've got an aunt/uncle/cousins near Newburgh... didn't know the General was there.

I was born in White Plains, NY. I remember going to Washington's headquarters in N. White Plains... looking out the windows (were wavey so assume they were the original window panes) and seeing a stamp/press that was used to make bullets... this was in the 70s. During the tour of the headquarters it was mentioned by the guide that the mfg. bullets were made from silver... probably to take out those nasty warewolves back in the 18th century :-)

45 posted on 02/15/2010 1:23:20 PM PST by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: Trajan88

I visited The General’s headquarters in Newburgh this summer...definitely worth the trip. And, while he was only in White Plains for a short time (he had to stay ahead of Cornwallis), he was in Newburgh for almost a year and a half (Cornwallis was gone).


46 posted on 02/15/2010 1:34:09 PM PST by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: Pharmboy

thanks Pharmboy


47 posted on 02/15/2010 2:35:16 PM PST by neverdem
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To: Pharmboy

btt


48 posted on 02/15/2010 7:39:26 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Pharmboy
Bttt.

5.56mm

49 posted on 02/15/2010 8:00:12 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Pharmboy

I heard that the mayor of Newburgh wants KSM and other terrorists tried there.


50 posted on 02/15/2010 8:13:06 PM PST by rmlew (Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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