Posted on 02/15/2010 4:39:35 AM PST by Pan_Yan
For Republicans, the idea of requiring every American to have health insurance is one of the most abhorrent provisions of the Democrats' health overhaul bills.
"Congress has never crossed the line between regulating what people choose to do and ordering them to do it," said Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT). "The difference between regulating and requiring is liberty."
But Hatch's opposition is ironic, or some would say, politically motivated. The last time Congress debated a health overhaul, when Bill Clinton was president, Hatch and several other senators who now oppose the so-called individual mandate actually supported a bill that would have required it.
In fact, says Len Nichols of the New America Foundation, the individual mandate was originally a Republican idea. "It was invented by Mark Pauly to give to George Bush Sr. back in the day, as a competition to the employer mandate focus of the Democrats at the time."
The 'Free-Rider Effect'
Pauly, a conservative health economist at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School, says it wasn't just his idea. Back in the late 1980s — when Democrats were pushing not just a requirement for employers to provide insurance, but also the possibility of a government-sponsored single-payer system — "a group of economists and health policy people, market-oriented, sat down and said, 'Let's see if we can come up with a health reform proposal that would preserve a role for markets but would also achieve universal coverage.' "
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John Chafee of Rhode Island, along with 20 other GOP senators and Rep. Bill Thomas of California, introduced legislation that instead featured an individual mandate. Four of those Republican co-sponsors — Hatch, Charles Grassley of Iowa, Robert Bennett of Utah and Christopher Bond of Missouri — remain in the Senate today.
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Thanks for the Info ,But I dont give a Dam Whos Idea it was they can all Shove it
Silly libs can't get anything right...
The problem they have is that a mandate is the only way to cover pre-existing conditions and community rate the premiums. The mandate is unconstitutional. They must tax the young and healthy and ration the old and sick. Not a very appealing program for Democrats who just like to give away OPM.
Will NPR do a story about the Democrat's flip-flop on how black people should be treated at the polling place?
From Wikipedia:
During the Reconstruction period of 1865–1877 federal law provided civil rights protection in the South for "freedmen" — the African Americans who had formerly been slaves. In the 1870s, white Democrats gradually returned to power in southern states, sometimes as a result of elections in which paramilitary groups intimidated opponents, attacking blacks or preventing them from voting. Gubernatorial elections were close and disputed in Louisiana for years, with extreme violence unleashed during the campaign. In 1877 a national compromise to gain southern support in the presidential election resulted in the last of the federal troops being withdrawn from the South. White Democrats had taken back power in every Southern state.[4] The white, Democratic Party Redeemer government that followed the troop withdrawal legislated Jim Crow laws segregating black people from the state's white population.Don't hold your breath.
I disagree. That is a very appealing program for Democrats. The problem they have is successfully hiding the realities of their plan unitl they have won reelection and people accept it as ‘the way it is’ like they have in Europe.
“Congress has never crossed the line between regulating what people choose to do and ordering them to do it,”
I can name three times they crossed the line:
1. Income Tax
2. Social Security
3. Medicare
The article should also mention that Obama rebuked Hillary for supporting a health insurance mandate.
Nobody expects democrats to be honest or consistent. Republicans, however, are a different matter.
Congresspeak. You’re not supposed to think about that stuff. The three things you mentioned are not ‘mandates’, they are ‘rights’.
True but how can they hide it? The reality leaks out. When the young find out they bolt. When the old find out they bolt. It is bad all the way around. Socialism..sounds good at first but does not work.
Just curious about you: Do you have a brain? If not/ why not?
Unlike other years I think they might be willing to do this. They are close. They can smell the finish line. They have medicare and medicaid already. Those opened the door much more than a crack. The great leap to universal coverage gives them a socialist state and they know it. For them it might be worth losing congress for a few years. They know Republicans can't kill the program once it starts.
Right. The Republicans never eliminate a Socialist Program once it is installed.
www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-0215-burns—20100212,0,278009.column
chicagotribune.com
Security blanket fraying quickly
Greg Burns
February 15, 2010
Everybody knew it was coming, but it arrived faster than almost anyone expected.
As of this year, Social Security will be running in the red for the first time in a quarter-century.
The recession has pushed Americans by the hundreds of thousands onto benefit rolls. That, in turn, has sped up the day of reckoning when the baby boom generation burns through the money set aside for its retirement.
More than 2.7 million piled into the program last year as job prospects dwindled, up almost half a million from a busy year in 2008.
“This is the biggest jump in modern times,” a spokesman for the agency observed.
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Where do these people get the authority to regulate what they regulate? How is my liberty not diminished if I can't choose the size toilet I want? What if I don't want a catalytic converter on my car? I guess the $20,000 fine is freedom? Doublespeak! Re-elect no one in 2010.
...says Len Nichols of the New America Foundation... "It was invented by Mark Pauly to give to George Bush Sr. back in the day, as a competition to the employer mandate focus of the Democrats at the time." ...Back in the late 1980s -- when Democrats were pushing not just a requirement for employers to provide insurance, but also the possibility of a government-sponsored single-payer system -- "a group of economists and health policy people, market-oriented, sat down and said, 'Let's see if we can come up with a health reform proposal that would preserve a role for markets but would also achieve universal coverage.' " ... John Chafee of Rhode Island, along with 20 other GOP senators and Rep. Bill Thomas of California, introduced legislation that instead featured an individual mandate. Four of those Republican co-sponsors -- Hatch, Charles Grassley of Iowa, Robert Bennett of Utah and Christopher Bond of Missouri -- remain in the Senate today.Thanks Pan_Yan.
no I dont have a brain ,I lost it wwatching Morons wet their pants over Obama.
As for health care we have health savings accounts and pay out of pocket for minor medical problems and have the high deductible for castostrophic problems. This way the money we pay for that is tax deductible and if we keep healthy we can use that money for a vacation when we reach 65. Now if Obumbo has his way we will go to jail and have to pay a fine for this because it does not satisfy the DICTATOR in Chief.
Prohibition?
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