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Suit: Pa. school spied on students via laptops
Associated Press ^ | 02/18/10 | MARYCLAIRE DALE

Posted on 02/18/2010 1:41:55 PM PST by AtlasStalled

A suburban Philadelphia school district used school-issued laptop webcams to spy on students at home, potentially catching them and their families in compromising situations, a family claims in a federal lawsuit. Lower Merion School District officials can activate the webcams without students' knowledge or permission, the suit said. Plaintiffs Michael and Holly Robbins suspect the cameras captured students and family members as they undressed and in other embarrassing situations, according to the suit. * * * The Robbinses said they learned of the alleged webcam images when Lindy Matsko, an assistant principal at Harriton High School, told their son that school officials thought he had engaged in improper behavior at home. The behavior was not specified in the suit. "(Matsko) cited as evidence a photograph from the webcam embedded in minor plaintiff's personal laptop issued by the school district," the suit states. Matsko later confirmed to Michael Robbins that the school had the ability to activate the webcams remotely, according to the suit, which was filed Tuesday and which seeks class-action status.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 1983; 1984; beseeingyou; bigbrother; butyousignedthis; hiddencamera; naughtyteacherslist; orwelliannightmare; parentalrights; privacyrights; sexting; spyware; trojan; voyeurism; webcams

1 posted on 02/18/2010 1:41:55 PM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: AtlasStalled

well, well, well


2 posted on 02/18/2010 1:44:47 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (happily replying to threads without reading the articles since 2002)
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To: AtlasStalled

Earlier thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2454306/posts


3 posted on 02/18/2010 1:44:58 PM PST by iowamark
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To: AtlasStalled

So the school put hidden cameras in the bedrooms of minors? We had a State Rep named John McNeil aka John “McFeel” put one in a Nanny’s shower. He went to prison.


4 posted on 02/18/2010 1:45:24 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: AtlasStalled

Admin on the school’s computer probably needs to be added to the naughty teachers list.

This is like the cameras hidden in the women’s restroom “to catch who’s vandalizing the stalls”.

It sounds like trojan software that hijacked webcam operation.


5 posted on 02/18/2010 1:45:41 PM PST by a fool in paradise (DON'T SAY "Happy Valentines' Day". It's Happy Holidays! This is the Holiday Season (Prez Day Feb15))
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To: AtlasStalled

I know it may be crazy, but I put a piece of paper over my laptop webcam whenever I am not actively using it.

I also whisper quietly when conference phones are on “mute.”

Ya never know.


6 posted on 02/18/2010 1:46:37 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: massgopguy

Prison seems like a reasonable consequence here. Unbelievable.


7 posted on 02/18/2010 1:53:12 PM PST by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: freedumb2003
I know it may be crazy, but I put a piece of paper over my laptop webcam whenever I am not actively using it.

"Total paranoia is just total awareness." Charles Manson

8 posted on 02/18/2010 1:55:35 PM PST by omega4412
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To: AtlasStalled

Every individual who was involved with the decision to allow this, thought this was a good idea or was part of enacting or enabling a Government Education Program to spy on students, friends and family:

Should be fired, found guilty, and put in prison for several years for violating a multiple of laws, to include trespass, child pornography, privacy violations, illegal search and seizure, and Digital Privacy Act for electronic eavesdropping…shall I go on. This not only shocks the senses but on its face is a Constitutional violation at the highest levels!


9 posted on 02/18/2010 2:00:02 PM PST by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: Theo

Wow, .... jail time is a must for this.

Home intrusion. This is a crime. Jail time.


10 posted on 02/18/2010 2:01:09 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: omega4412

>>”Total paranoia is just total awareness.” Charles Manson<<

It sounds like a corollary to the Total Perspective Vortex.


11 posted on 02/18/2010 2:02:34 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: AtlasStalled

I have a webcam on my company-proved laptop. I stuck a piece of black tape over it the day they issued it.


12 posted on 02/18/2010 2:03:06 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Imagine a day when the politicians have to hold a bake sale to pay for votes!)
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To: ntmxx

Peeping Tom .... on a grand scale!!!!


13 posted on 02/18/2010 2:03:07 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: a fool in paradise

in the article they said they had the picture and admitted they took it and were in control of the camera. No trojan did this in this particular case. You should always cover your camera. I keep mine disabled in device manager unless i need it.

with that aside..

KNOWING what I know due to my (short) history with the porn industry and how stuff gets out I would likely do great violence on anyone even remotely connected to this if it was my kid.

It would be the stuff that would make a Mel Gibson/Tarrentino/Garth Ennis joint project look like an ABC afternoon special.


14 posted on 02/18/2010 2:03:08 PM PST by melkor
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To: Bryanw92

I have tape on mine as well.


15 posted on 02/18/2010 2:05:43 PM PST by Suz in AZ
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To: freedumb2003

“Ya never know.”

Wait until you find out your cell phone can be activated without ringing.


16 posted on 02/18/2010 2:08:24 PM PST by PLMerite (Ride to the sound of the Guns - I'll probably need help.)
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To: AtlasStalled
I'd like to see the "acceptable use"/"technology use" form the kids signed when checking out these laptops before passing judgment.

Check my post on the other thread for more details.

Additional note: My wife has a laptop issued to her from her work. Personal use of the laptop is limited and they have keyloggers installed to track her usage.

This sounds a lot like someone got caught doing something naughty in violation of previously stipulated terms that they chose to ignore. Instead of owning up, they are filing a lawsuit and screaming "victim"...

If not, if there was no warning, no paperwork... Then these school administrators in this case are morons and deserve what they get.

17 posted on 02/18/2010 2:10:57 PM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: omega4412

I prefer: “just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get me.”


18 posted on 02/18/2010 2:14:38 PM PST by Echo4C (We have it in our power to begin the world over again. --Thomas Paine)
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To: melkor

Agreed; the perpetrators of this should be treated to a massacre!

Orwell’s vision does not even rise to this level, in 1984 everyone knew the game; in this model cameras were hidden in homes to secretly view people through a Government Education Program.


19 posted on 02/18/2010 2:16:06 PM PST by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: Dead Corpse

Im sure having the computer turned on falls under “acceptable use”

Thats all the student would need to do to enable the picture to be taken.

Now as to WHY a picture was taken... sure, im sure there was a reason the admins felt they needed to take the pic. Perhaps the kid was suspected of smoking pot and they decided they wanted to try to snap a pic of him lighting up. I dont see how that violated an AUP


20 posted on 02/18/2010 2:20:43 PM PST by melkor
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To: Dead Corpse

I agree and had though about it a bit when I made my first comment; adults in a work place related setting, this would be acceptable when the camera is in use. Nonetheless, in this circumstance any use agreement is null and void on its face!


21 posted on 02/18/2010 2:23:49 PM PST by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: ntmxx

Can you still work in a school when

YOU’RE PUT ON THE NATIONAL PERVERT LIST


22 posted on 02/18/2010 2:27:14 PM PST by maine yankee
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To: melkor
If it was a Macbook, Remote Desktop allows you to see or control the remote machine. We use it here to keep track of what the kids are doing on the schools machines.

PC's also have a RDC/RDP application that allows the same level of Admin control.

Again, if they signed off on the same kind of acceptable use paperwork that we have our staff and students sign off on, then they don't have anything to complain about and no legal leg to stand on.

OTOH... If they weren't notified, in writing, then the school effed up big time.

23 posted on 02/18/2010 2:31:31 PM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: ntmxx
Nonetheless, in this circumstance any use agreement is null and void on its face!

How so?

24 posted on 02/18/2010 2:32:48 PM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: maine yankee

Interesting...although, I refer you back to my first then second comment on this today…fired, guilty then prison for everyone involved; starting at the top!


25 posted on 02/18/2010 2:36:20 PM PST by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: Dead Corpse

What could this be, unless the kids were themselves using the camera to take questionable self portraits, not realizing that administrators could see anything they didn’t delete before rejoining the network.


26 posted on 02/18/2010 2:40:32 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: ntmxx

bfl


27 posted on 02/18/2010 2:42:46 PM PST by Currentriverrat (Stop cap and trade fraud.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Do you peek at the kids through the camera?


28 posted on 02/18/2010 2:42:50 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Dead Corpse

Let’s start with government program violating first, second, and third party privacy or government sponsored search and seizure plus digital eavesdropping…or are we playing legal student and the professor game?


29 posted on 02/18/2010 2:45:29 PM PST by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: melkor
Wait a second. That's not what was said. The article is very poorly written and there is not enough information given to say whether or not the school "spied" on the student through the camera. The article said:

"(Matsko) cited as evidence a photograph from the webcam embedded in minor plaintiff's personal laptop issued by the school district," the suit states.

The journalist uses the term 'embedded' which I'm pretty sure means 'saved to his hard disk'. Just some dumb journo trying to sound technical. Later the article says:

Matsko later confirmed to Michael Robbins that the school had the ability to activate the webcams remotely, according to the suit, which was filed Tuesday and which seeks class-action status.

Simply having the ability to activate webcams remotely does not mean that they did activate them. And of course they have the ability, they most likely have administrative accounts on the computer.

I think the boy got caught with inappropriate material on his laptop that he took with his webcam, and the school found it when they were repairing/maintaining the unit for the student. Happens all of the time.

Sorry, no time for replies -- gotta run.
30 posted on 02/18/2010 2:47:54 PM PST by cameraman
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To: AtlasStalled

31 posted on 02/18/2010 2:48:35 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: AtlasStalled

Nothing that a child could sign, no agreement or whatever could legally allow anyone to secretly activate a camera in the child’s home.

Only a court order issued by a judge could make such a thing legal...nothing else whatsoever!


32 posted on 02/18/2010 2:49:27 PM PST by Bobalu (In Missouri now...back among my own people :-)
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To: melkor
Ah, the ‘embedded’ part was referring to the webcam. The article does not say where the photograph was originally found. If they found it on his computer then my theory still stands.
33 posted on 02/18/2010 2:53:46 PM PST by cameraman
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To: freedumb2003

I had my daughter put electrical tape over hers when we first bought it. She takes it off if she wants to use it, and puts it back when she’s done.


34 posted on 02/18/2010 3:21:58 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: AtlasStalled

Just a bunch of teachers trying to figure out which students they want to seduce.


35 posted on 02/18/2010 3:34:48 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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To: melkor

“Im sure having the computer turned on falls under “acceptable use”

Thats all the student would need to do to enable the picture to be taken.”

Excerpted from a previously posted article

“It was only then that Blake Robbins’ father, Michael, verified from Assistant Principal Lindy Matsko that the school district did in fact have the capability of remotely activating the cameras embedded in the district-issued laptop computer wherever the computer may be situated and regardless of whether the student is using it, and that the school district could at any time choose “to view and capture whatever images were in front of the webcam, all without the knowledge, permission or authorization of any persons then and there using the laptop computer.”

http://americasright.com/?p=3159

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2453722/posts

I take it that the student does not have to be on the computer in order for any viewing to take place. IMHO, that’s rather scary.


36 posted on 02/18/2010 5:15:52 PM PST by Mila
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To: AtlasStalled

Parents should hand the damn things in. Pull their kids out.


37 posted on 02/18/2010 5:50:23 PM PST by goldi (')
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To: HiTech RedNeck
All of our computers are in class rooms and common areas. We monitor them because we've had issues with kids running P2P shares, accessing porn through proxy websites, and engaging in online gang-related activities.

When we catch one, we try and get a snapshot of them to use as evidence. Avoids a "he said/she said" scenario.

38 posted on 02/18/2010 6:32:50 PM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: ntmxx

What are you nattering on about? Try to keep up...


39 posted on 02/18/2010 6:34:19 PM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: Krankor; tiki

Here’s the AP version.


40 posted on 02/18/2010 7:43:28 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: AtlasStalled
If the allegations are true the responsible parties should be hung by their thumbs however I have a few questions.

Why is everybody assuming the plaintiff lawyer is telling the truth?

The complaint was lodged on this week but the parents knew about the picture since mid November. If you knew someone was spying on you or your neighbors would hire a plaintiff lawyer or go immediately to the police?

If the allegations are true why is there no criminal investigation?

Why would school administrators incriminate themselves by telling the parents they took a picture of the boy? I would like to know who actually took the picture and how the administration got the picture..

Lower Merion is an elite liberal community. Is anybody surprised they got public money and managed to screw things up so royally?
41 posted on 02/19/2010 6:47:33 AM PST by Kid Shelleen (Keep your socialized health care off my body !!)
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42 posted on 02/19/2010 6:49:23 AM PST by Kid Shelleen (Keep your socialized health care off my body !!)
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To: Mila

Cant do a WOL (wake on lan) to power up a turned off laptop remotely. It has to be on the same physical network to receive the magic packet.

So the notebook would have to already be turned on


43 posted on 02/19/2010 7:57:25 AM PST by melkor
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To: cameraman

I live in the area and was listening to the radio when this broke last night. The impression I got was that the school had some kind of concern about his home activities which led them to activate his webcam. What those activities were was not revealed.


44 posted on 02/19/2010 8:25:46 AM PST by twigs
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