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Climate science: Credibility at risk, scientists say
Science News ^ | Feb. 20, 2010 | Janet Raloff

Posted on 02/21/2010 9:47:32 PM PST by neverdem

SAN DIEGO (Feb. 20) Publication of hacked emails exchanged by climate scientists. News accounts of problems in vetting data used in climate-assessment reports. Charges by critics that scientists won’t release their raw data so that others might independently vet published analyses of climate trends. Taken together, these events have marred the reputations of climate scientists, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and perhaps science generally.

Or so concluded a distinguished panel of science luminaries, yesterday. They included Ralph Cicerone, president of the National Academy of Sciences; James McCarthy, a Harvard climate scientist and chairman of the board of directors of the American Association for the Advancement of Science; Nobel Prize winner Phillip Sharp of MIT, who co-chaired the NAS report last year: “Ensuring the Integrity, Accessibility, and Stewardship of Research Data in the Digital Age;” and Astronomer Royal Martin Rees, President of Britain’s Royal Society.

They spoke as part of a “late-breaking” session at the AAAS annual meeting – one that was co-sponsored by the National Academy of Sciences. Its stated theme: ensuring the transparency and integrity of science. However, its organizers conceded that what prompted them to shoehorn the session into the meeting were a series of back-to-back climate controversies that played out daily in news accounts over the past several months.

The “Climate-gate emails” and concerns over Himalayan glacial-melt data in a 2007 IPCC report together served as “sort of a wake-up call,” McCarthy said. But a wake-up call that he and others initially all but ignored.

The climate-science community, of which he is a part (he was a co-chair of an IPCC working group) largely dismissed the news revelations as accounts of bumbling behavior by well-meaning if overworked scientists. It didn’t appear “that this would be a very big deal for anyone,” McCarthy explained, because none of...

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However, its organizers conceded that what prompted them to shoehorn the session into the meeting were a series of back-to-back climate controversies that played out daily in news accounts over the past several months.

Not in the state run media. The author and the science luminaries are the real deniers.

1 posted on 02/21/2010 9:47:32 PM PST by neverdem
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To: steelyourfaith

Ping.


2 posted on 02/21/2010 9:53:03 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: neverdem
Climate science: Credibility at risk, scientists say

You would NEVER know this from the democrat party State Run Media in the U.S.

3 posted on 02/21/2010 9:53:03 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. - H. L. Menken.)
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To: Army Air Corps

http://www.climategate.com/worlds-biggest-coal-company-brings-us-government-to-court-in-climate-fraud


4 posted on 02/21/2010 9:55:18 PM PST by television is just wrong
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To: neverdem

What credibility? Oh you must mean with the true believers in the MSM?


5 posted on 02/21/2010 9:59:18 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: neverdem

Kow-um-bonga


6 posted on 02/21/2010 10:05:39 PM PST by Waco (Wanna buy an FBI file,,,See Hillary, she's got 900 of them.)
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To: neverdem
It didn’t appear “that this would be a very big deal for anyone,” McCarthy explained, because none of these revelations altered the weight of the evidence indicating that climate has been changing rapidly and that human activities appear to be fueling much of that change.

These guys evidently have not even scratched the surface of what was revealed by Climategate. They are clearly still in denial due to their willful ignorance, and are a disgrace to "science" and the pursuit of truth...

Their focus appears to be primarily on the PR aspects of the case rather than the scientific misconduct underlying much of "climate science" which should rightfully be the point of discussion...

7 posted on 02/21/2010 10:07:29 PM PST by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: neverdem

It reminds me of the academy award winning old movie about the French Scientific panels not approving the vaccines for rabies in sheep, because of course rapids is not spread by little germs. Louis Pasteur was laughed at but he used the scientific method and prevailed against the illuminati.

The climate change scientists should remember what they learned about the scientific method, and that it did not call for voting on the right answer, but replicating the results by scientist peers.


8 posted on 02/21/2010 10:12:39 PM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: neverdem

“...these events have marred the reputations of climate scientists...”

I’m not sure that will be limited to climate scientists.


9 posted on 02/21/2010 10:18:29 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Zeppo; neverdem
Zeppo, you are so right in your observation; they just don't get it.

Further down in the article:

By not “stepping up” to defend the general strength of climate science in the wake of recent public challenges, the panelists acknowledged, bloggers and television pundits have been free to spin the revelations as evidence that most climate science is now suspect. And it most assuredly is not, the panelists maintained.

10 posted on 02/21/2010 10:37:00 PM PST by CedarDave (Contrasts: Obama -Teleprompter to talk at a school. Palin - Six words on palm to talk to nation)
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To: neverdem

Well you can have the whole world covered in snow, and Al Gore and his supporters in the media and elsewhere will still blame it all on industrialization and global warming/climate change.


11 posted on 02/21/2010 10:39:40 PM PST by Merta (But I May Be Wrong)
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12 posted on 02/21/2010 11:03:14 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

What was this, a gathering of the Captain Obvious Junior Rangers club?


13 posted on 02/22/2010 12:31:01 AM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Zeppo

Just like the entire facade of the Left and especially the Obami, the Science Frauds think the ‘focus appears to be primarily on the PR aspects of the case’??? I find this unbelievable, these folks are not going to be able to use the idiotic ‘we were bamboozled crap when the truth is available for all to see...that is why the braindead US Media has not only ignored ClimateGate but have gone on the offensive to prop up a total fabrication. When BP, Caterpillar dumped their ClimateChange support, State AG’s filed lawsuits and Peabody Coal filed a lawsuit, the bell finally sounded in these scammers pea-brains, now they are starting to see the very real possibilities that the AGW ship has foundered, soon it will be every man for himself...these perps will all start pushing the women and children out of the lifeboats...thanks to AlBore and his internet!


14 posted on 02/22/2010 2:22:16 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: neverdem

If they lost credibility, they can only blame themselves for declaring ‘the science is settled,’ which make science a matter of agreement rather than endeavor.


15 posted on 02/22/2010 2:55:00 AM PST by paudio (Are you better off today than in 2006, when the Democrats took over the Congress?)
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To: neverdem

Neither karma nor history will be kind to these con artists and thieves.


16 posted on 02/22/2010 2:59:30 AM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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To: CedarDave
...evidence that most climate science is now suspect. And it most assuredly is not, the panelists maintained.

As a man of science with technical degrees from three of the top scientific institutions in the world, I most strongly disagree with this statement. ALL science is suspect and open to being questioned. Science is not true because of consensus but because the weight of the evidence proves the conclusions even when questioned. When a field refuses to permit questioning, it has ceased to be science and become something less than science.

17 posted on 02/22/2010 3:17:55 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Army Air Corps; markomalley; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; Desdemona; ...
Thanx !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

18 posted on 02/22/2010 3:32:07 AM PST by steelyourfaith (FReepers were opposed to Obama even before it was cool to be against Obama.)
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To: neverdem

“The climate-science community, of which he is a part (he was a co-chair of an IPCC working group) largely dismissed the news revelations as accounts of bumbling behavior by well-meaning if overworked scientists.”

Almost as bad as “the dog ate my research.”


19 posted on 02/22/2010 4:57:45 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: neverdem
Climate science: Credibility at risk, scientists say

I just thought of something. Actually it started a couple days ago and I just had my 'Eureka' moment. To wit:

'Climate Science' cannot be a 'science'.
With any 'science', a + b always = c. And any scientist will get those same results. It will always be 'c' no matter who does it. 'c' is a constant (pun intended).
They WON'T get a + b ≅ c, or a +b ≈ c
But that's exactly what you do get with so-called 'climate science'. It's always 'maybe', 'possibly', 'might be, or 'probably'. That isn't science. It's friggen Alchemy. Or in modern English, Junk Science.

In my Professional Career, I deal in Physics and its Laws and Properties (though I am not a Physicist). And there are no 'maybe', or 'might be'. When I see an *oversight*(1) some Architect or Engineer made, it's wrong - period. No guessing, or 'what ifs' required. And if I don't find a solution so a + b does = 'c', Houston we have a problem. [I was going to say so E=mc2 but I don't want be an ass ;-) ]

(1) Architects and Engineers never make a 'mistake'. They just make some occasional design 'oversights'. (inside joke)

20 posted on 02/22/2010 4:57:57 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


21 posted on 02/22/2010 10:02:15 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: neverdem

The BIG clue for any field of research is when the “scientists” act like radicals in spitting absolute hatred for anyone who questions their research or comes up with different results than they did.

Real scientists don’t do this. They do not mind the back and forth required for the advancement of science. Folks who have sold out science for a personal enrichment scheme, political or social cause do this hate and hysteria thing against questioning scientific “enemies.” Ethical, successful and professional scientists don’t act like this.

As soon as we heard the watermelons of “climate research” screeching “denier” like some religious cult or communist, we should have known the whole operation was bogus. Then you follow the money and power to find out why the “scientists” are faking it.


22 posted on 02/22/2010 10:26:13 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson
There have been plenty of passionate disagreements in the history of science, and scientists have not always conducted themselves with decorum. What makes this fraud unique is that there has been a concerted effort by the AGW radicals to avoid the science, rather than to rely on it.

Ordinarily when there is controversy, one side is more than eager to have the other see and deal with their data. Here, the fraud perps seek to hide their "data" and prevent anyone from even having the opportunity to be swayed by it.

This is why we know beyond the shadow of a doubt that a world-scale unprecedented crime against humanity is being perpetrated by leftwing operatives.

23 posted on 02/22/2010 11:00:20 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: neverdem; STARWISE; onyx

Neal Cavuto just said on his program that he has MS...So does Janice Dean, the Weather Machine.

Don’t we have some information on D3 that might help both of them.....
How do we contact them?


24 posted on 02/22/2010 2:43:31 PM PST by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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