Outlook no brighter for Obama's new health plan

RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR and ERICA WERNER ^ | Feb. 22, 2010

[Free ThinkerNY]

WASHINGTON – Starting over on health care, President Barack Obama knows his chances aren't looking much more promising.

A year after he called for a far-reaching overhaul, Obama unveiled his most detailed plan yet on Monday. Realistically, he's just hoping to win a big enough slice to silence the talk of a failing presidency.

The 10-year, $1 trillion plan, like the current Democratic version in the Senate, would bring health insurance to more than 31 million Americans who now lack it.

[Free ThinkerNY]

[HiTech RedNeck]

“What? The Republicans told me to start with a clean sheet of paper. This won’t work either?”

[HiTech RedNeck]

“What? The Republicans told me to start with a clean sheet of paper. This won’t work either?”

[jessduntno]

No scoring from even the corrupt a-wholes at CBO - this turkey is radioactive...

[mylife]

The Republicans need to remind America that the Dems own this bill.

[jessduntno]

“The Republicans need to remind America that the Dems own this bill.”

That will be hard to do when every MSM and political spinner goes into hyperdrive about the “televised bi-partisan meeting” that took place before Bammy gives us the Bawney Fwank Ben Dover...

[Williams]

“would bring health insurance to more than 31 million Americans who now lack it.”

I don’t believe this statement is accurate.

[kabar]

modest achievement would allow Obama to move on to other pressing issues, claiming credit for getting something done despite the harshest partisan environment in years.

The opposition has been bipartisan. Obama's problem is that he can't get his own party to agree on a bill. The Dems have all the power. They control Congress.

[Attention Surplus Disorder]

I wish I could be as optimistic. My feeling is, this will pass this time.

[TigersEye]

All versions of Health Care Insurance Reform has one purpose and one purpose only. It is meant to kill liberty.

Whose right is health care? Do you think it's yours?

Congressman Anthony Weiner has said that health care is not a commodity. If it isn't a commodity then do doctors and nurses have rights? Assigning health care the status of a right makes health care workers slaves to that right who must serve it. On what ground could a health care worker refuse to provide their products and services since that would violate the patient's "basic human right to health care."

That is a direct loss of individual rights for health care providers. The collective right of the people to receive health care would supersede the provider's individual right to set fees and hours or to change their occupational status or even decide how to apply their skills and knowledge if taken to its logical extreme. A collective right, by practical definition, is a state right because it is a right that is created and given by the government to those it chooses to give it to. It is not a natural right possessed by each person protected by the Constitution from the government. It is also a collective/state right by virtue of the fact that it would supersede individual rights when the two come into conflict. How else would the government view a right that it created and administers vs. one it has no control over?

Of course it isn't stated in any bill that a patient's right to care supersedes a provider's right to set fees and hours etc, but it doesn't need to. Rights, as always, are adjudicated in the courts. The Health Care Reform bills simply establish the foundation for the courts to rule in favor of the collective right.

Weiner’s view is collectivist, fascist and totalitarian. Collectivist because it has to be described as being a right of the many instead of the one and superior due to that fact. Fascist because ultimately the sole authority for its creation and oversight is from one entity the Federal government. Totalitarian because the Federal government is the enforcer of this collective right as well. State and local jurisdictions will have little say about it.

Congressman Weiner's view is the underlying philosophy of all of the Health Care Reform legislation in the House and Senate. Consider this section in the Senate version of the bill; the setting up of community watch dogs that will monitor citizens for various health parameters. Read pages 382 - 393.

TITLE I—QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS pps 382 - 393

So, even citizens themselves will be subject to Federal regulations on their behavior in order to fulfill the "human right" of universal health care. It isn't the individual's liberty that is being protected by that it is the government's control over its own health care system that is being guarded. How much clearer can it be that these bills abrogate the concept of individual rights? Someone will be checking your lifestyle, according to gov regulations, to be certain you serve the best interests of the "basic human right to health care" ie. "the Public Option."

HCR is not just about rationing care and wealth redistribution. It's about the end of individual rights as the corrosive effects of the new collectivist "basic human right to health care" spreads throughout the legal and political systems like a virus.

I think that the main purpose of Health Care Reform (HCR) is as a direct assault on individual liberties.

Health Care is a Liberty Issue
Conservative Underground - 18 August 2009 - Tim Dunkin

Another Stupid Argument: Heath Care is a Right

Involuntary Medical Servitude

Obama's Authoritarian, Unconstitutional Health Care Proposal

Defining A Right In America

To Americans Who Believe Healthcare is a Right

OBAMA: HEALTH CARE DESTROYING FREE SPEECH

Mandated health insurance threatens freedom, privacy

Second Bill of Rights aka FDR's economic bill of rights
(An early attempt to embed collective rights into American politics and society.)

[FrankR]

"Realistically, he's just hoping to win a big enough slice to silence the talk of a failing presidency. "

Whooops....too late!

If he has to ram it through with "reconciliation", then he's toast. Forcing it through based on trickery, bribes, and deceipt is Chicago politics, and they will not work for long on a National scale.

Just REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!!!!!

[FrankR]

MY FALLING POLLS (“Sung to the turn of “Autumn Leaves”)

My falling polls,
Drift out da window;
The magic’s gone,
We’re out of dough..

Thru purple lips,
The whoppers roll;
But It’s hope and change,
They’re axing fo’

CHORUS
It’s all go-ing away,It didn’t take long;
Maybe I didn’t say it right, Turn the ‘prompter on.

[MamaDearest]

I wish I could be as optimistic. My feeling is, this will pass this time.

I agree with you. They will MAKE it pass and they will be known as the most hated, reviled, detested and untrusted politicians ever known in this nation. They will wear that badge proudly because they are vermin and have nothing but sheer contempt for the 75% of American citizens who have made it crystal clear to them that Obamacare is NOT acceptable.

[goldfinch]

Time to light up the phone lines in the Senate and House yet again. You know the left will wear their fingers to the bone working for a government takeover of healthcare.

Don't start celebrating early...

[goldfinch]

Time to light up the phone lines in the Senate and House yet again. You know the left will wear their fingers to the bone working for a government takeover of healthcare.

Don’t start celebrating early...

[Attention Surplus Disorder]

I don’t even want to think about it; but the way the Dems are piling into this; they would really be seriously discredited if they cannot get this passed this time. The spin will be: ‘After all, they have had “all this time” to get the Repubs on board and if the Repubs cannot get behind this, well, that just proves they are pure obstructionists with no ideas of their own.’ [even though Repub ideas have been posted on multiple sites, for months]

I just don’t think the Dems would take this big a gamble this 2nd time unless they had the requisite votes nailed down, hard.

Let’s be clear that we avoided this the last time by the tiniest of margins w/the election of Brown/MA.

I’m going to shut up now.

[GailA]

OBAMANOMICS--TRICKLE DOWN DESTRUCTION of the economy

SET THEIR LOCAL AND DC LINES ON FIRE!

Sen. Scot Brown's number is 202-224-5443

Capitol Hill switchboard is 202-224-3121

Lots of local demwit phone numbers on this thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2408217/posts

Rename, repackage, rewrite it a tad smaller, and sell another pig in a poke.

Tennessee has joined several other states in trying to pass a Health Care Freedom Act. NO COLAs for granny, retired Military or retired fed employees. BIG NEW fees for Tricare for Life retired over 65 Military's secondary health ins. (DOD bill already passed, delayed but goes into effect 2011)

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w/

New Dem mantra: Woof, woof eat dog food granny....ala let them eat cake.

OBAMA’s WAR ON SENIORS

Friday, February 19, 2010

Obama says slight fix will extend Social Security

http://townhall.com/news/us/2010/02/19/obama_says_slight_fix_will_extend_social_security

Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New Obama Plan

http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html

Socialized Med Thread

TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:

http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/tricare-for-life-is-obama-trying-to.html

This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollee’s cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.)

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf

http://www.vawatchdog.org/09/hcva09/hcva110609-1.htm

Bill Would Restrict Veterans’ Health Care Options 11/06/09

Buyer and McKeon Offer Amendments to Protect Veterans and TRICARE Beneficiaries

Congress plans to block Tricare fee increases
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w

By Rick Maze - Staff writer, Oct 7, 2009

Tricare fee increases imposed last week by the Defense Department will be repealed by a provision of the compromise 2010 defense authorization bill unveiled Wednesday by House and Senate negotiators.

Snip

The fee increases were announced on Sept. 30 and took effect on Oct. 1, but the defense bill, HR 2647, includes a provision barring any fee increases until the start of fiscal 2011.

Snip

Retired Army Maj. Gen. Bill Matz, president of the National Association for Uniformed Services, said the announcement of fee increases was shocking considering that the Obama administration promised earlier this year to hold off on any new fee Tricare fee increases until fiscal 2011.

“President Obama and DoD assured NAUS and the entire military family earlier this year that there would rightly be no increases in any Tricare fees” in fiscal 2010, Matz said. “We took them at their word, and I can’t believe that a co-pay increase like this was allowed to go forward,” he added.

Bambi doesn't keep his promises...so buyer beware.

[Munz]

>I wish I could be as optimistic. My feeling is, this will pass this time.<

I am unfortunately of the same opinion.
Zero has had months to figure out how to get passed the congress and Pelosi and Reid have been twisting arms for more than half a year.

They don;t care about anything except getting this passed. Not Novembers vote, not the will of the people. Nothing except getting it through.