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Medicare tax may apply to investment income (ObamaCare tax hike)
InvestmentNews.com ^ | Feb 28 2010 | By Dan Jamieson

Posted on 02/28/2010 5:29:31 AM PST by Brugmansian

President Barack Obama's health plan proposal would extend Medicare taxes to the investment income of higher-earning households.

The health care proposal that the White House released last Monday would extend the existing 2.9% Medicare tax to unearned income — including interest, dividends, annuities, royalties and rent — for taxpayers with income exceeding $200,000 for singles and $250,000 for couples.

Currently, the Medicare tax is assessed only on wages or earned income.

The president also wants to hit these higher earners with an additional 0.9% Medicare tax on their earned income. The additional Medicare taxes are similar to those proposed in the Senate's health care bill.

The new taxes wouldn't affect income from active participation in S corporations, according to the administration.

Not surprisingly, the life insurance industry opposes the proposed changes

(Excerpt) Read more at investmentnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: medicare; obamacare

1 posted on 02/28/2010 5:29:31 AM PST by Brugmansian
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To: Brugmansian

This Obama is beyond belief.
There isn’t anything he can’t Ruin.


2 posted on 02/28/2010 5:33:54 AM PST by chatham
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To: Brugmansian

This would mess up my entire life, which is built on rental and interest income not being taxable.

Zero can go to hell.


3 posted on 02/28/2010 5:37:01 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Brugmansian

This is an extraordinarily stupid and destructive proposal.

Is there ANY way we can get this loser out of office before he does more damage? 2012 is a long way off at the rate this Bozo is pulling stink grenades out his bunghole.


4 posted on 02/28/2010 5:39:50 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: TexasFreeper2009
How can one plan with Obama legislative blitzes?

I had planned on living off rental income.

Those people employ and pay medicare taxes.

5 posted on 02/28/2010 5:40:16 AM PST by scooby321
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To: TexasFreeper2009

interest income not being taxable.

You have me interested. I don’t own rentals, but I’m certainly curious about interest income not being taxable.


6 posted on 02/28/2010 5:41:05 AM PST by wita
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To: Brugmansian

Allow me to put this in simple terms. Medicare and Medicaid and all government health care and entitlement systems are completely and absoulutly BANKRUPT. They survive on borrowing from China and cost shifting claims to the private sector. Private insurance and retirement systems are solvent, even though they are being drained by the cost shift to the government fiascos. The socialist parasites are attempting to destroy the private system and replace it with a government system of higher taxes and rationing for all. I sure hope we can stop them.


7 posted on 02/28/2010 5:42:02 AM PST by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: Brugmansian

The problem we have here...ain’t the lack of taxation...the right kind of tax....objects, entities or activities to tax...

its a mindset. The minds that created the problem ...are not capable of a solution....


8 posted on 02/28/2010 5:42:16 AM PST by mo
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To: Brugmansian

It will be interesting to see how they intend to collect this, because right now it comes out of paychecks. Most of those new income sources don’t currently involve a withholding action, even though the mechanism exists.


9 posted on 02/28/2010 5:44:26 AM PST by Bernard (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, Three if by Government)
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To: Brugmansian

Why is this a surprize to anyone ? This also applies to the decapitation tax which states are jumping on in the guise of protecting US from “global warming”. Its being set up to maintain bloated bureaucracies which states run by socialists refuse to reduce.

THEY WILL PUSH “RECONCILIATION” and pressure must be applied to house members warning them if they vote for it
VOTE NO
OR OUT YOU GO

http://www.theusmat.com/


10 posted on 02/28/2010 5:47:37 AM PST by mosesdapoet ("There's still no MSM mention of Obama's extravagant life style while millions are unemployed")
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To: Brugmansian
I'm going to dissent from the avalanche of gotcha which is sure to come on this thread.

If you oppose paying for the medical needs of all Medicare beneficiaries through taxation, you should support abolishing Medicare.

If you support paying other people's medical bills through taxation, then you should support raising taxes - a lot.

But you can't support trillions for other people's medical bills AND not paying for it. That's our policy now - and it's a disaster.

11 posted on 02/28/2010 5:49:28 AM PST by Jim Noble (Hu's the communist?)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Pretty soon everyone who has income gets fitted with meters to tax every breath. How about we tax the “earned income credit, a euphonism for federal welfare, local welfare, food stamps, rent supports, grants, subsidies and other forms of largess too?

Personal instance, I thought about going back into the workforce (I am living comfortably on investment and pension now). When I figure the taxes at our marginal level plus commuting and other work related expenses, I would be working for about 30% net of whatever amount I earned...I value my free time more than that.

It galls me to no end seeing a number of younger people who have no interest in being as successful as I was at accumulating things during my working years through hard work and denial. These are the same individuals who vote for crumbs like Ozero because they see him as their path to others assets. Frankly, I would burn my wealth rather than give it to some parasite.


12 posted on 02/28/2010 5:53:06 AM PST by Mouton
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To: screaminsunshine
They are also scheming to take away private investments from 401-K’s and make the public transfer their funds into a Government run and controlled “investment” plan that pays a massive guaranteed 3%. (And of course, it will no longer be a tax deferred. We will have to pay taxes on our full gross income, and taxes on the interest it earns.)

Of course, it will give them a whole new resource of “revenue” for them to “borrow” from like they have Social Security. (Which is why it is also bankrupt) They now owe SS about 17 Trillion Dollars. They have literally emptied the cookie jar and replaced it with worthless little paper IOU’s which we will never see a dime of ever again.

These criminals should be in prison for having stolen our retirements many times over. Had they left it alone, SS would still be in good shape. WE HAVE TO TAKE A STAND AND STOP THIS THEFT!

13 posted on 02/28/2010 5:59:52 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: Brugmansian

Maybe folks need to look at claiming the “Amish” exemption. I don’t know exactly what forms need to be filled out to get this exemption, but I’m sure someone is looking into this. A philosophic or religious exemption does not necessarily need to be based on membership to a specific church.
It’s certainly crazy to do this with investment income. How low do we want the market to go now. Under 0bamacare the IRS will have real time ability to snatch money out of a bank account or probably investment account, you might as well buy some precious metals and put it in a safe in an undisclosed location.


14 posted on 02/28/2010 6:01:17 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: Brugmansian
As usual, Obama's understanding of economics is half-baked.

If the extra wealth of wealthy Americans were, as Obama seems to believe, simply stuffed into mattresses, increasing taxes on it would only mean a little less wealth for the wealthy and lumpier mattresses.

HOWEVER, the half the equation that Obama doesn't understand is that the money soon to be confiscated (under the principle of fairness) would actually immediately find its way back into the economy in ways that make it possible for ordinary Americans to borrow for housing, cars, consumables, borrow for college, etc.

Some of it would otherwise find its way to companies large and small that need it to grow employment, buy equipment, put products on the shelves, and, yes, even meet the payroll.

So if you are worried about your employment or fear that a slow down in the economy might hurt you in some other way...thank Obama's taxes on the wealthy!

15 posted on 02/28/2010 6:02:22 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies (Barky...because he's barking mad!!!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I got out of all traceable investments. I went to silver US coin and cash. Who cares about the miniscule intrest income at this point. By the way what do you think the tax rate will be when you want to withdraw money out of your 401.


16 posted on 02/28/2010 6:03:26 AM PST by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: grumpygresh

I am a concientious objector...Cool.


17 posted on 02/28/2010 6:04:55 AM PST by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

It is called Communism.


18 posted on 02/28/2010 6:05:26 AM PST by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: Jim Noble
The point is that we have all been paying for our medicare our whole lives, but the government has been taking the surplus (that not needed for immediate expenditures) and dumping in General Fund to waste on their boondoggles.

I never expected anyone else to pay for my healthcare but the government made me set aside moneys for my own...and, not having spent it, I want it back with interest!!!

19 posted on 02/28/2010 6:08:08 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies (Barky...because he's barking mad!!!)
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To: screaminsunshine
Actually, it's only theoretical communism, because there is not a single case in the history of the world that can be pointed to as a "working" example.
20 posted on 02/28/2010 6:12:22 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies (Barky...because he's barking mad!!!)
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To: Bernard

Pay when you file your income tax return.


21 posted on 02/28/2010 6:33:10 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
The point is that we have all been paying for our medicare our whole lives

Oh, stop it!

If you were "paying for Medicare", you would have been paying upwards of $10,000/year!

You never did that, right?

What you did pay for wouldn't last you two days in a hospital, never mind two months in an ICU.

Abolish Medicare, or pay for it (really pay for it, I mean).

Those are the choices. The GOP policy - keep it, expand it to include drugs, incorporate all advances, and give it away for a premium of a tiny fraction of what it costs - is corrupt.

22 posted on 02/28/2010 6:36:37 AM PST by Jim Noble (Hu's the communist?)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
This would mess up my entire life

Your entire life has already been messed up by giving out public benefits grossly in excess of revenue for the last forty years, and now, there's nothing you can do about it.

Suck it up.

23 posted on 02/28/2010 6:40:42 AM PST by Jim Noble (Hu's the communist?)
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To: Jim Noble
Oh, stop it!

How queer!!!

BTW, read my comment. I didn't say medicare shouldn't be shut down.

My comment is directed at the fact that medicare is just another way to add to the general fund and dump the liability and expense on future generations.

That's said, I would still like my money back...with interest!

24 posted on 02/28/2010 6:46:16 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies (Barky...because he's barking mad!!!)
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To: Jim Noble

Hold on there, Jimbo. The typical worker pays Medicare taxes for about 50 years, then is eligible for Medicare coverage for maybe 10 or 15 years after retirement. If the amount paid in over that 50 years (and matched by employers) had been set aside and invested it would buy an awful lot of health care.

So yes, we have been “paying for Medicare”. And as a small business owner with eight employees, I’ve been paying for a whole lot of Medicare!


25 posted on 02/28/2010 7:00:32 AM PST by Freedom_Isn't_Free (in fact, it isn't even cheap)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
Pay when you file your income tax return.

The dollar amount would be too big for the government to rely on having the taxpayer realize how much it is. It would need to be collected in an incremental, withholding basis, just like the federal income tax and the current FICA / Medicare payroll taxes.

When milli0ns of Americans start seeing their 1040 refund be reduced by an additional Medicare tax, they may wake up and start asking questions. The elitss can't have that kind of thing.

26 posted on 02/28/2010 7:11:37 AM PST by Bernard (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, Three if by Government)
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To: Brugmansian; Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; ...

The List, ping


27 posted on 02/28/2010 7:38:05 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Bernard

The FEDS have access to your savings F D I C...............


28 posted on 02/28/2010 8:10:26 AM PST by GitmoSailor (AZ Cold War Veteran)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

As I understand it (may be incorrect) you can protect yourself from this tax by merely making sure that your unearned income (combined with any earned income) stays below the magic rich-folk level of $250,000. Now, learn to be a good little commie and keep your income low, where it should be, you naughty little comrade.


29 posted on 02/28/2010 8:18:01 AM PST by Happyinmygarden (Yes, actually, I have pretty much seen and heard it all before...)
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To: Mouton
Frankly, I would burn my wealth rather than give it to some parasite.

Interesting comment. I know of a family where the grandfather accumulated enormous wealth (homes, yacht, jewelry, art collection, you name it). In his eighties he decided that he would not burden the next two generations with his success. He sold literally everything and set up trusts with very restrictive rules. The youngest generation is learning to earn their way. He was a wise man.
30 posted on 02/28/2010 8:22:50 AM PST by Happyinmygarden (Yes, actually, I have pretty much seen and heard it all before...)
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To: Happyinmygarden

Exactly. I’m a very good little commie too! Income bad.


31 posted on 02/28/2010 9:52:40 AM PST by BenKenobi (And into this Ring he poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life.)
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To: wita
You don't pay medicare or social security taxes on interest income.

I have my entire life built around the current tax system.

I have subcontractors do the jobs I need so I don't have to have a payroll, withholding, or workers comp. I am setup as individual proprietorship so that I can report my income on my regular tax form. I have no withholding for social security and medicare since I am self employed, and I have no sales taxes that I have to collect, or report because my income is derived from “real property” in the form of rents, on which there is no sales tax.

ect,ect,ect...

32 posted on 02/28/2010 9:59:14 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Thanks for the explanation. We have somewhat the same philosophy, except part of my income is from military retirement, and part from self employed subcontractor. There are occasions where I wish I could afford workmans comp and payroll taxes.

I just don’t generate enough income to even come close to being able to justify either, and another person on payroll wouldn’t generate income, but suck it up.Occasionally I may sell something to someone, but I have to file state tax returns anyway so adding sales isn’t a big issue.

With all that said, consider any business that has a stabilized accounting system and can plot their future out ten years or so, and one can easily see, what the business/job climate is and will be for the foreseeable future with the anti business president now in the white House.


33 posted on 02/28/2010 11:27:17 AM PST by wita
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To: Brugmansian

OBAMANOMICS—TRICKLE DOWN DESTRUCTION of the economy

SET THEIR LOCAL AND DC LINES ON FIRE!

Bambi doesn’t keep his promises...so buyer beware!
Sen Scott Brown’s number is 202-224-4543

Capitol Hill switchboard is 202-224-3121

Lots of local demwit phone numbers on this thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2408217/posts

Rename, repackage, rewrite it a tad smaller, and sell another pig in a poke. NO COLAs for granny, retired Military or retired fed employees. BIG NEW fees for Tricare for Life retired over 65 Military’s secondary health ins.
(DOD bill already passed, delayed but goes into effect 2011 NEEDS TO BE REPEALED!

OBAMA’s WAR ON SENIORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2433867/posts/

New Dem mantra: Woof, woof eat dog food granny....ala let them eat cake. http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html
Friday, February 19, 2010

Obama says slight fix will extend Social Security
http://townhall.com/news/us/2010/02/19/obama_says_slight_fix_will_extend_social_security

Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New Obama Plan http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html

SOCIALIZED MED THREAD http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2460358/posts

TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:

http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/tricare-for-life-is-obama-trying-to.html

This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollee’s cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.) http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf

http://www.vawatchdog.org/09/hcva09/hcva110609-1.htm
Bill Would Restrict Veterans’ Health Care Options 11/06/09
Buyer and McKeon Offer Amendments to Protect Veterans and TRICARE Beneficiaries

Congress plans to block Tricare fee increases
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w/

By Rick Maze - Staff writer, Oct 7, 2009

Tricare fee increases imposed last week by the Defense Department will be repealed by a provision of the compromise 2010 defense authorization bill unveiled Wednesday by House and Senate negotiators.
Snip The fee increases were announced on Sept. 30 and took effect on Oct. 1, but the defense bill, HR 2647, includes a provision barring any fee increases until the start of fiscal 2011.

Snip

Retired Army Maj. Gen. Bill Matz, president of the National Association for Uniformed Services, said the announcement of fee increases was shocking considering that the Obama administration promised earlier this year to hold off on any new fee Tricare fee increases until fiscal 2011.

“President Obama and DoD assured NAUS and the entire military family earlier this year that there would rightly be no increases in any Tricare fees” in fiscal 2010, Matz said. “We took them at their word, and I can’t believe that a co-pay increase like this was allowed to go forward,” he added.


34 posted on 02/28/2010 4:55:45 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
This will mess up my entire life...

And the lives of millions of others as well, considering its negative effect on the entire economy.

35 posted on 02/28/2010 7:56:38 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: mo; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; LucyT; red meat conservative; Free ThinkerNY; All
it's a mindset. The minds that created the problem...are not capable of a solution.

That's because they are economic illiterates. They are only interest in growing government, and to hell with the private sector (whatever remains of it). Plus, they don't appreciate that if you tax an activity more, there will be less of it and that the economy is dynamic, not static.

36 posted on 02/28/2010 8:02:34 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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