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ATF seizes 30 toy guns, infuriating local business owner
Koin Local 6 ^ | 2/26/2010 | Alexis Del Cid

Posted on 02/28/2010 5:56:07 AM PST by Harrius Magnus

CORNELIUS, Ore. - A local business owner is flabbergasted after a shipment of 30 toy guns for his store was confiscated by ATF agents in Tacoma.

Brad Martin and his son, Ben, sell the Airsoft BB guns from their store in Cornelius where they’ve been in business for seven years.

The Martins said they buy their stock from Taiwan because the merchandise is less expensive. But the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives seized a shipment of 30 in October. That shipment is worth around $12,000 and the ATF is promising to destroy the entire shipment.

Special Agent Kelvin Crenshaw said the toys can be easily retro-fitted into dangerous weapons.

"With minimal work it could be converted to a machine gun," Crenshaw said.

Brad Martin is furious about the loss of money, for sure, but also in what he now thinks as a loss of his time and the use of government agents to seize toy guns.

"All this manpower, all this time, all this taxpayer money, [it is] wasting my time and my profitability,” Martin said. “[Just] to seize 30 toy guns!"

Ben Martin disagrees that the toy guns could ever be considered dangerous.

"To say these are readily convertible to machine guns is absolutely preposterous,” he said. “The round wouldn't go into the firing chamber and even if the firing pin did strike the primer the gun would basically blow up in your face.”

ATF said it also seized the toys because they are missing the blaze orange tips required on all imported toy guns.

The Martins said they've received shipments before from Taiwan that were missing the orange tips and were simply asked by customs agents to drive up to Tacoma and paint the tips orange themselves. They are wondering why it is an issue now.


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1 posted on 02/28/2010 5:56:08 AM PST by Harrius Magnus
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To: Harrius Magnus

ATF have always been a bunch of nazi dunba$$es.


2 posted on 02/28/2010 5:58:24 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Travis McGee

Check this out!

“’With minimal work it could be converted to a machine gun,’ Crenshaw said.”


3 posted on 02/28/2010 5:58:48 AM PST by Harrius Magnus (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

TOYS CAN KILL.............(just like fascists)


4 posted on 02/28/2010 5:59:43 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: Harrius Magnus

Special Agent Kelvin Crenshaw said the toys can be easily retro-fitted into dangerous weapons.

An Airsoft plastic toy converted to a firearm??
What is this clown smoking and why is he working for US?

Jack


5 posted on 02/28/2010 5:59:51 AM PST by btcusn
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To: Harrius Magnus

With even less work a baseball bat can be turned into a dangerous weapon! What a bunch of morons.


6 posted on 02/28/2010 6:01:05 AM PST by rfreedom4u (Obama is intent on destroying America!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Yes, indeed. I think the toy store owner ought to sue those clowns into the ground. Make them look like the doofuses that they are.


7 posted on 02/28/2010 6:01:22 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Harrius Magnus

I don’t like the ATF seizing toys, but how the heck do 30 toy guns wind up costing $12,000?! That’s $400 per toy gun.


8 posted on 02/28/2010 6:03:14 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Harrius Magnus

I did not know that Alcohol, Fire arms and tobacco are illegal?

So we know they go after toy guns, probably shut down businesses that sell alcohol to minors, and go after smokes in the local 7-11. So when was their last BIG tobacco bust? This is a serious group with tax payer money well spent! (sarcasm off)


9 posted on 02/28/2010 6:03:44 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: Harrius Magnus

The Martins should consider themselves fortunate that the atf did not wait until the shipment arrived at their place of business. They would have then raided the business, seized the bb guns, and killed the Martins. The atf is comprised of individuals that are considered too whacked out to be fbi agents.


10 posted on 02/28/2010 6:04:29 AM PST by sport
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To: Dr. Sivana

http://www.trendtimes.com/airsoft-guns.html

plenty over 500+


11 posted on 02/28/2010 6:05:33 AM PST by Flavius
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To: Harrius Magnus

It’s time for the ATF to get it’s wings clipped! The “guns” are made from soft alloy castings, no way will they hold the pressures of live ammo.


12 posted on 02/28/2010 6:06:44 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

The ATF should go after the water pistols. That’s the REAL hotbed!


13 posted on 02/28/2010 6:07:35 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Ban water pistols now!!


14 posted on 02/28/2010 6:09:01 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: btcusn

What is this clown smoking and why is he working for US?

He ain’t working for ME.

Jack

the real mystery here is why a toy airsoft costs 400 dollars each. I’m sure that alone didn’t pass the batfe smell test. Frankly, the batfe is one more government entity looking for work, and as we have seen in the past, they will find “work” usually at the expense of the average citizen, and the “rights” of said citizen that come from God and are under siege by the batfe.

The second amendment did not arrive courtesy of the batfe.


15 posted on 02/28/2010 6:11:17 AM PST by wita
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To: Harrius Magnus

I’m waiting for Obama to claim that they took 30 machine guns off the streets through strong enforcement.


16 posted on 02/28/2010 6:11:53 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Harrius Magnus

Government in partnership with the people.


17 posted on 02/28/2010 6:14:20 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: btcusn

Perhaps he watched too many episodes of McGiver in his youth.


18 posted on 02/28/2010 6:14:23 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Specially the pink, semi clear types. Why you could squirt someone in the eye with one. If we can save just one child from being squirted in the eye it will be worth it.


19 posted on 02/28/2010 6:17:05 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I was THINKING paintguns. Now those pellets are extremely dangerous, especially if you fill them with acid, or anthrax, or plague, or NITRO!

DAISY; Red Rider is next........


20 posted on 02/28/2010 6:17:07 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: Dr. Sivana
I don’t like the ATF seizing toys, but how the heck do 30 toy guns wind up costing $12,000?! That’s $400 per toy gun.

Exactly what I was thinking. Something sounds fishy.
21 posted on 02/28/2010 6:17:51 AM PST by John D
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To: Harrius Magnus
"With minimal work it could be converted to a machine gun," Crenshaw said.

Yeah, right, a plastic toy gun can be converted to fire live ammo "with a minimal of work". These a**hats made a mistake and now they are trying to cover their a** by making idiotic statements to justify their stealing this load of fake guns.

22 posted on 02/28/2010 6:20:27 AM PST by calex59
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To: sport
They would have then raided the business, seized the bb guns, and killed the Martins.

You forgot to mention shooting their dog.

23 posted on 02/28/2010 6:21:59 AM PST by calex59
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To: John D

$400 for a BB gun is crazy. That ain’t no toy, IMHO.


24 posted on 02/28/2010 6:22:41 AM PST by Always Right
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To: John D

Paintball guns can cost that much. Time we stopped that sport, also.

“Toys” also applies to adults. “The only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys”.


25 posted on 02/28/2010 6:23:08 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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To: calex59

You think a plastic toy BB costs $400 a pop?


26 posted on 02/28/2010 6:23:32 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Harrius Magnus

He’s probably lieing his A$$ off !! Nazi thug.


27 posted on 02/28/2010 6:24:17 AM PST by GoldenPup
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Yep


28 posted on 02/28/2010 6:24:18 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: btcusn

Well the blaze orange tip makes the gun safer. Sigh....this is what happens when the government has so much power that they can do this.


29 posted on 02/28/2010 6:24:58 AM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

“Why you could squirt someone in the eye with one. “

Assult with a wet weapon.


30 posted on 02/28/2010 6:26:31 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: Harrius Magnus

I suppose he should consider himself lucky the ATF didn’t just bust into his store &start shoot American citizens.


31 posted on 02/28/2010 6:26:58 AM PST by DwFry (Baby Boomers Killed Western Civilization!)
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To: Always Right

There are airrifles that can drop a hog. They go for about 800.00 to a grand. They are not adveristed as toys, but lethal weapons.
That would so cool to have one of those bad boys.


32 posted on 02/28/2010 6:27:21 AM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Harrius Magnus

What a bunch of Jack Booted cowards! Maybe it’s time they got their asses kicked again the way they had it handed to them at Mount Carmel. They faced REAL guns there and on live TV they had to lay down their weapons and with their hands raised, go in to recover their wounded. David Koresh may have been a first rate nut job but he gave the ATF an asskicking they had been in sore need of for a long time. Looks like they are cruising for another one.


33 posted on 02/28/2010 6:27:34 AM PST by Bad Jack Bauer (Fat and Bald? I was BORN fat and bald, thank you very much!)
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To: Harrius Magnus
"The Martins said they've received shipments before from Taiwan that were missing the orange tips and were simply asked by customs agents to drive up to Tacoma and paint the tips orange themselves. They are wondering why it is an issue now."

I wondered from the first time I heard this story if it wasn't something like this. A LOT of imports are modified after being received in-country to meet various specialized requirements. The BATFE once again prove themselves to be fools.

34 posted on 02/28/2010 6:29:16 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel (NRA))
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To: John D
Airsoft people spend a lot of cash on their stuff so that their little bb guns look real.

But since the BATFE says it can be easily done, I may just get me one of these in case of apocalypse.

It's all a bunch of crap and they know it. If these things could be converted into anything other than the little BB guns they are, they would have been banned long ago.

http://www.trendtimes.com/metal-aeg-airsoft-rifle-saw249.html


35 posted on 02/28/2010 6:29:35 AM PST by cizinec
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To: Always Right

I bought some airsoft guns last year- they cost around $300 ea. The top end electronic ones can exceed 400 quickly. Some even cost into $3-4000. It’s a big money business for top end items.


36 posted on 02/28/2010 6:30:05 AM PST by ArmedSkeptic
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Better yet - Ban the ATF!


37 posted on 02/28/2010 6:30:14 AM PST by proudofthesouth (Zero should spend all his time playing golf & keep his Marxist, Muzzie, Homo hands off our country)
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To: Always Right
I don't care what they cost, saying that an air soft(have you ever seen an airsoft, BTW? I have)bb gun, which shoots plastic BBs, not metal ones,can be converted to fire live ammo is BS. The cost was stated by the MSM. If you read the article it says they could cost UP TO 12,000. The owners are rightfully pi**ed. BTW, the costs have nothing to do with the idiotic statement of this agent.

If the firearms are real then let the owners be arrested, I see nothing about their imminent arrest in the article. This is CYA time for the BATFE(a dictatorial bureaucracy in anyone's language). The only way a firearm can be easily converted to fire full auto is if it is already a semi-automatic fully functioning REAL firearm to start with.

The article, and the BATFE, admits these are air soft BB guns that look like M4s, they cannot be coverted to machine guns with "minimal" work or any work at all short of actually replacing the whole BB gun with a real rifle.

38 posted on 02/28/2010 6:31:33 AM PST by calex59
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To: Harrius Magnus

BATF = Brown shirts


39 posted on 02/28/2010 6:31:34 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: wita
"...the real mystery here is why a toy airsoft costs 400 dollars each. I’m sure that alone didn’t pass the batfe smell test."

The BATFags aren't supposed to do "smell tests". They are supposed to follow the law. I'm sure a lot of people in government think that Chevrolet Corvettes are VERY expensive toys that no one should be able to own. That thought does NOT justify the confiscation of Corvettes.

40 posted on 02/28/2010 6:32:08 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel (NRA))
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To: sport

And their little dog too!


41 posted on 02/28/2010 6:32:53 AM PST by Shimmer1 (tant que je vive)
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To: proudofthesouth

“Better yet - Ban the ATF!”

One FReepers tagline...

” Alcohol, tobacco, and firearms should be a convenience store”


42 posted on 02/28/2010 6:34:12 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: proudofthesouth

“Better yet - Ban the ATF!”

One FReepers tagline...

” Alcohol, tobacco, and firearms should be a convenience store”


43 posted on 02/28/2010 6:34:42 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: proudofthesouth

“Better yet - Ban the ATF!”

One FReepers tagline...

” Alcohol, tobacco, and firearms should be a convenience store”


44 posted on 02/28/2010 6:34:42 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: Always Right
"You think a plastic toy BB costs $400 a pop?"

I suspect folks like Bill Gates, John Travolta, Schwarzenegger, and a lot of others think just that. Some folks are willing to spend a lot of money on their toys. See any restored classic car as an example.

45 posted on 02/28/2010 6:34:43 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel (NRA))
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To: stephenjohnbanker

WTH?


46 posted on 02/28/2010 6:35:02 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: Always Right

Here’s another example:

http://www.amazon.com/Lazer-Team-Deluxe-2-Player-System/dp/B00023C3ZUp


47 posted on 02/28/2010 6:35:49 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel (NRA))
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To: Harrius Magnus

Abolish the uneeded ATF. It is a waste of money.


48 posted on 02/28/2010 6:36:29 AM PST by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: Always Right
You think a plastic toy BB costs $400 a pop?

So what if it did? You approve of a jackbooted government agents taking away a person's livelyhood because he has a market for such things? Look on eBay, you will find at least 100 different airsoft guns for sale at prices between $200-$400. And can you imagine the machining and metal working that has to be done to one of these things to get it fire live ammo and it will still be inferior to the real thing. The electric one can spit out about 300 BBs a second. OMG! How scary!
49 posted on 02/28/2010 6:36:51 AM PST by Bad Jack Bauer (Fat and Bald? I was BORN fat and bald, thank you very much!)
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To: Flavius

Airsoft BB Claymore Mine W/Wireless Remote Control

With a little work these could be made into the real thing. Heads up to toy sellers, make sure the ones you order have orange tips.

50 posted on 02/28/2010 6:37:48 AM PST by Rebelbase
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