The REAL scoop on Obama's background (IMHO & referenced vanity)

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/02/26/okubo-responds-to-public-outcry-for-investigation/ ^

[El Gato]

After Ann and the pawn Obama Sr ( a useful decoy who does not look a microdot like Obama Jr ) were divorced, she married Lolo Soetoro (LS as referred to below) who adopted O, thus making him an indonesian citizen...doubtful anyone bothered to get paperwork re-establishing O as a US citizen.

It wouldn't matter. Parents cannot give up US citizenship for their children. The child can, when they reach the age of majority.

I personally do not believe the FMD theory. If it were the case, and known to BHO Jr, he'd have revealed it. It would have given him much more street creds in his "community activist" days, as well as generating more support from the far left. Now it would make him a Natural Born Citizen, if that is, BHO Sr, and SAD were never married, and FMD's name is on the BC, or paternity could be proven.

That's not to say that someone, some black guy, other than BHO Sr, might not be the father, junior looks so much like Gramps Dunham that almost any black guy could have been the sperm donor. (Or of Course "Gramps" could actually be "Pop", with some unknown and generally genetically recessive black woman, including such as Tongans, Australian aborigines, etc, being the mother)

[OneLoyalAmerican]

Roger.

[El Gato]

No matter who's the daddy, Barry's mommy was a military brat; so it's irrelevant where little Barry was born. Even when a State Department employee's unmarried child's-child is born overseas, the baby is a US citizen.

8 USC 1401 begs to differ, there are conditions, and they were not the same in 1961 as they are today. Under the law then, BHO would not have been a US citizen, if born outside the US. Assuming his parents were legally married. (that itself is tricky, because even polygamous marriages are recognized, if legal where performed). If they were not legally married, as in the instance you cite, then the requirements are different yet, and are almost always met by an unmarried female

Stanley Ann Dunham-Obama-Soetero was not a military brat at the time he was born, only for a little while from her birth until her father was discharged at the end of WW-II.

Thirdly, a US Citizen at birth is not the same as a Natural Born Citizen, the latter being the requirement for eligibility to the office of President. The Courts have ruled that such persons, citizens at birth via the statute law, are actually naturalized at birth.

Different rules apply when both parents are US citizens, and the Natural Born Citizen requirements *may* except those "born in the Armies or the diplomatic corps" from the "born in the US requirement".

[usmcobra]

Here is my latest revised theory, Obama’s name will be found under “II”, “IL” or as “Stanley Toot” born to “Franklin Davis” and “Anna Toot”, that being the name Obama’s Family in Kenya knew Obama’s mother by.

[OneLoyalAmerican]

Greeting El Gato:

Thanks. For debate purposes, it seems paragraph 8 USC 1401e clearly renders lil' Barry a Natural Born Citizen.

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

Cheers,
OLA

[Hell to pay]

Kenya was not an outlying possession of the US. I think El Gato is referring to the 1961 version of 1401g, which has the provisos there.

[OneLoyalAmerican]

Greetings Hell to pay:

Between the 1401gB and 1401h effective dates; me thinks lil' Barry remains Natural Citizen.

(g)(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and

(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

Cheers,
OLA

[OneLoyalAmerican]

Greetigs Hell to pay:

Given a 'lil Barry born in Kenya situation, still a Natural Citizen.

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

Cheers,
OLA

[Hell to pay]

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years *: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date;

*AMENDMENTS 1994 - Subsec. (h). Pub. L. 103-416 added subsec. (h).
1986 - Subsec. (g). Pub. L. 99-653 substituted "five years, at least two" for "ten years, at least five".

[PA-RIVER]

Arriving at the truth.....

I never gave it much weight, this claim that FMD was his father, until recently. When I look at his pic I think I see similarities. Around the eyes and mouth it's more obvious. When we age there are moments when we resemble different relatives more closely. Because most pics of FMD are an overweight man, its difficult to see the similarities. But look around the mouth. The skin below the lower lip is thick, and the line from nose to lip is very prevalent ... just like his dad, FMD. The eyes are similar too. The hairline is similar too. When he was a small boy, his general appearance was similar to FMD.

I also think that this is the reason he is not helping any “relative” in Kenya. Theres no blood line.

The 50 year old man and the teen needed a beard. BO Sr. was it.

Obama,(Mr. Davis Jr.), was born a genuine fraud.

[David]

There are two.

One came from a lawyers archive in connection with the divorce proceeding; the second was obtained with a bribe.

After copies appeared on line, the copies were photoshopped to add aberrational letters letter sizes or change information. The responsive story was then promulgated that the certificates were fake. But the originals weren't fake at all. They exist and at least at one point were in a court file in California.

But it doesn't do anyone any good to either set up a public argument or a court proceeding that does not reach the merits. The audience is not sufficiently sophisticated to understand or pay attention long enough to understand the evidence.

There are still people out there citing the the Hawaii COLB. After two years, anyone who has read the Hawaii law knows that if that document had really been issued by the state Health Department (it appears petty clear that it is also a photoshop production), it is not evidence of his birth location. In fact, there is no single piece of evidence supporting the argument that he was born in Hawaii.

If you get to the merits in a court proceeding, there are two birth certificates that I believe will stand up as evidence. I assume they can be extracted from the people who presently control them.

[PA-RIVER]

I stand corrected .... I just watched the video of his brother in China.

Im going back to my original thought. I think we have a Kenyan born president.

[LucyT]

After two years, anyone who has read the Hawaii law knows that if that document had really been issued by the state Health Department (it appears petty clear that it is also a photoshop production), it is not evidence of his birth location. In fact, there is no single piece of evidence supporting the argument that he was born in Hawaii.

If you get to the merits in a court proceeding, there are two birth certificates that I believe will stand up as evidence. I assume they can be extracted from the people who presently control them.

. . . Check out article, and interesting comments. (SP's, or Site Pests, are here, too.)

[Thanks David and Fractal Trader.]

[Pete from Shawnee Mission]

This assumes he was a US citizen to begin with. He may not have received US citizenship through his mother because of her age, and regardless of who his genetic father was his legal father was O. Sr., a Kenyan. Pre-election he even indicated that he was a commonwealth citizen through his father, but chose not to confirm it on his 21st birthday. I think that with this he conceded that he was not “natural born” as understood by the founding fathers and Vattel’s Law of Nations.

[BIGLOOK]

Let's just suppose Frank Davis is the father, then Stanley Ann was most likely impregnated earlier (and at a younger age) than the falsified documentation asserts. How old was Stanley Ann when she gave birth.....and how old is Obama?

Or is this just another red herring thrown out to confuse and give those who ask the simple questions of proof of the marital status of the parents (their citizenship status) and the location and date of the birth a bad name?

[Fred Nerks]

If you read ‘Dreams’ you will find that Stanley Ann Dunham is quoted as telling zero (nothing ever comes out of his own mouth) that she was in Chicago working as an au pair when she ‘was only sixteen then’ - elsewhere, it states she was accepted to attend the University of Chicago, where her Uncle (Charles T Payne) was Deputy Director of the Library, so IF the date of birth on HER SS Application of November 1942 is correct, we may be able assume the year this refers to is 1958, right?

I have seen no evidence she graduated from Mercer Island, the two teachers who rave about her in a video, carefully obscure the date of the year book they are holding, and at no time show an image of Stanley Ann Dunham in that same year book...one would think they would, if her photo was in that yearbook, wouldn’t one?

Instead, all we are shown are images of sections of pages from what MAY be a yearbook, but the year nor the school are not identified.

The years 1958 through to 1962 are in fact a murky blur that passes by with nothing more than third-hand hearsay stories, and ONLY ONE person who maintains he ever saw Stanley Ann Dunham and Obama Sr together in Hawaii.

The question still remains unanswered: WHERE WAS STANLEY ANN IN THE PERIOD BETWEEN GRADUATION AND WHEN SHE SHOWED UP IN HAWAII WITH A TWO OR THREE YEAR OLD CHILD?

p.s. If, as my research shows, Stanley Ann Dunham did not set foot on Hawaiian soil, neither the Kenyan or FMD are contenders for fatherhood.

Question: WHY does everyone assume that ANN OBAMA in Hawaii and ANNA OBAMA in Seattle are the same person as Stanley Ann Dunham, when ‘Dreams’ makes it quite clear that a number of people in the story are COMPOSITES?

[Fred Nerks]

btw, the objections to the Kenya document have been researched:

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/612678/-/ukb32e/-/index.html

By MWAKERA MWAJEFA Posted Thursday, June 18 2009 at 22:31

“...Coast Provincial General Hospital chief administrator, Dr Heltan Maganga, said the first patient was diagnosed on June 1 and died the following day...”

IT WAS MAINTAINED DR HELTAN MAGANGA WAS NOT THERE WHEN THE DOCUMENT WAS RAISED IN JUNE 2009.

strike one!

[Fred Nerks]

It was further maintained that Dr James ANGAWA was only involved in Tuberculosis research:

PDF
I. THE B.C.G. VACCINATION CAMPAIGN IN KENYA
JELLIFFE and ANGAWA J Trop Pediatr.1966; 12: 7-8

http://tropej.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/12/supp3/7

TROPICAL PEDIATRICS!

http://tropej.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pdf_extract/12/supp3/7

SESSION 1. PRACTICAL IMMUNIZATION.

James O.W. Ang’awa, a PEDIATRICIAN, discusses the IMMUNIZATION OF SCHOOL CHILDREN.

HE WAS A PEDAITRICIAN. Stike Two!

[Fred Nerks]

It was also contended that the DATES ON THE DOCUMENT were 'a stupid mistake made by the forger':

It was NOT a mistake, Kenya is shown to have used both dating systems.

SeizetheCarp, I didn't keep the link to that article, could you please provide that informaton again?

[Jedidah]

M. Little’s FBI file places him in Chicago in mid-summer 1960. Much of that part of the file is blacked out. 6B if I remember correctly.