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Climategate hits Westminster: MPs spring a surprise ('Don't panic, carry on' isn't working)
The Register ^ | 2nd March 2010 10:32 GMT | Andrew Orlowski

Posted on 03/02/2010 8:22:20 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Parliament isn’t the place where climate sceptics go to make friends. Just over a year ago, just three MPs voted against the Climate Act, with 463 supporting it. But events took a surprising turn at Parliament’s first Climategate hearing yesterday.

MPs who began by roasting sceptics in a bath of warm sarcasm for half an hour were, a mere two hours later, asking why the University of East Anglia’s enquiry into the climate scandal wasn’t broader, and wasn’t questioning “the science” of climate change. That’s further than any sceptic witness had gone.

In between, they’d wrought an admission from CRU director Phil Jones that he’d written some awful emails, and that during peer review nobody had ever asked to see his raw data or methods.

Perhaps the Honourable Members had noticed an incongruity. The Vice Chancellor of East Anglia, with Jones seated next to him, had said CRU had made a significant contribution to the human scientific understanding of climate change. Yet the practices of CRU looked more tatty and indefensible as the hearing went on. How could CRU be crucial to the science, but the science could not be discussed? Something was not quite right.

The final report, expected before the election, may not reflect the events of the day. But it’s worth recording. The shift was down to Graham Stringer BSc, an analytical chemist and the only scientist on the MPs' committee.

Lugubrious might be a word invented especially for Stringer, who had run Manchester for 12 years before becoming an MP in 1997. He’d shunned the glamour of high office, and become a local hero back home by campaigning against the Manchester congestion charge.

Graham Stringer

But Stringer had done his homework, and through patience and dogged persistence, he began to swing the chairman behind him. Mirroring the collapse in public sympathy for climate science since the scandal broke, the stalwarts so vocal at 3pm were silent by the close.

The last half hour, in which three of the biggest global warming advocates assured the Committee to keep calm, don’t panic, and carry on - had a slightly surreal air to it.

Enter Dr Jones

Science Select Committee chair Phil Willis, who’s stepping down at the election, acknowledged the phenomenal global interest in the hearing. Sceptics had feared that with the two critics on first it would be a whitewash. It didn’t go according to script.

Phil Jones appeared drawn and nervous, with the University Vice Chancellor Edward Acton at his side. A succession of sympathetic questions from MP Ian Stewart (Lab, Wigan) allowed Jones to state his prepared defence.

If temperature code and data wasn’t available from CRU, Jones said, it was available from NASA and NOAA in the United States. The “hide the decline” statement, where the team had replaced wayward proxy temperature data with instrumented data, was immaterial: all temperature series showed similar increases since the 19th Century. And the softest of softballs from Stewart – are the last three decades the highest since modern instrumentation? – gave Jones the chance to agree. Yes, the last three decades are the highest since the Thames ice fairs of the Regency era. (“Since records began” sounds so much better.)

Graham Stringer (Lab) opened up with a “it's nice to meet you having read all your emails over the past few days”.

Next page: 'It's not rocket science'


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amazongate; carbontrade; climatechange; climatechangedata; climategate; czechgate; glaciergate; globalwarminghoax; globalwarmingscandal; globqalwarminghoax; ipcc; pachauri; pachaurigate; scandinaviagate
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1 posted on 03/02/2010 8:22:20 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; Fred Nerks; steelyourfaith; NormsRevenge; onyx; BOBTHENAILER; ...

Good stuff here!


2 posted on 03/02/2010 8:23:29 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fractal Trader; tubebender; marvlus; Genesis defender; markomalley; ...
 


ClimateGate

 

3 posted on 03/02/2010 8:26:45 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Warmists as "traffic light" apocalyptics: "Greens too yellow to admit they're really Reds."-Monckton)
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To: steelyourfaith
The concluding comment from the writer:

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The three were slightly too chummy and jovial, and seemed unaware of the connection MPs had made: that rotten scientists perhaps mean rotten science.

4 posted on 03/02/2010 8:33:31 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: steelyourfaith
Very nicely organized....Excellent...

Let me include a background link for someone looking for some basic science detail...FR Thread:

Editorial: The Great Global Warming Hoax? ( Some good technical facts )

5 posted on 03/02/2010 8:37:15 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Lawson had said the GWPF (*Global Warming Policy Foundation) refused donations from energy interests, but kept donors anonymous. (*that donor list would reveal the real perps)
6 posted on 03/02/2010 8:40:11 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Texas Fossil
Not sure what that Foundation is but Google turned this up:

The voices of climate change sceptics

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Thinktanks, lords and shock jocks are just some of the dissenters in the climate change debate

by # Caroline Davies and Suzanne Goldenberg

The Guardian, Tuesday 24 November 2009


Former Conservative chancellor Lord Lawson says he is not a climate change denier but is 'sceptical' about global warming policy. Photograph: Martin Argles

The furore over the climate scientists' emails has given an unexpected boost to global warming sceptics on both sides of the Atlantic, but none outside that small circle believe the affair will divert governments, businesses or communities from seeking a low-carbon future.

The affair lifted the launch, announced in The Times, of a new "high-powered" think tank on climate change by Lord Nigel Lawson, the former Conservative Chancellor and current global warming critic. He denies he is a climate change sceptic, but is "sceptical" about the policy response. He found the perfect platform to promote his Global Warming Policy Foundation while also calling for an independent inquiry into the content of the emails.

The director of the GWPF, headquartered in a room rented from the Institute of Materials, Minerals and Mining, is Benny Peiser, a social anthropologist at Liverpool's John Moores University, who has argued concern about climate change has reached "near hysteria".

Its board of trustees includes Lord Barnett, a former vice-chairman of the BBC who voted against the Climate Change Bill, and the Bishop of Chester, who has argued there was no consensus among climate change scientists that "carbon dioxide levels are the key determinant".

Its academic advisory council includes Prof Ian Plimer, an Australian who argues volcanoes produce more CO2 than humans. "Some of those names are straight from the Who's Who of current climate change sceptics", said Ward. "To me, this is pretty much indistinguishable from the websites that are run by rightwing, free-market think tanks in the US. It's just going to be a way of pumping material into the debate that hasn't been through scrutiny".

In the US, the trove of hacked emails seemed heaven-sent for America's most devoted climate contrarians.

Among the last citadels of climate change deniers – the radio host Rush Limbaugh and the Republican Senator James Inhofe – the emails were touted as evidence of a worldwide scientific conspiracy. Inhoffe said. "They cooked the science to make this thing look as if the science was settled, when all the time of course we knew it was not."

Limbaugh said: "I've instinctively known this from the get-go, from 20 years ago! The whole thing is made up, and the reason I know it is because liberals are behind it! When they're pushing something, folks, it's always bogus. "

But such outrage is likely to remain confined to the margins of American political debate. In Congress, even the most determined opponents of climate change legislation now frame their arguments in economic terms rather than on the science – including Inhofe.

7 posted on 03/02/2010 8:52:49 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Great write-up! Thanks for posting.


8 posted on 03/02/2010 9:02:15 AM PST by browardchad ("Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own fact." - Daniel P Moynihan)
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To: Texas Fossil
More:

Who we are

Thursday, 19 November 2009 16:25 administrator

The Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF) is an all-party and non-party think tank and a registered educational charity

Our main purpose is to bring reason, integrity and balance to a debate that has become seriously unbalanced, irrationally alarmist, and all too often depressingly intolerant.

The GWPF's primary purpose is to help restore balance and trust in the climate debate that is frequently distorted by prejudice and exaggeration

Our main focus is to analyse global warming policies and its economic and other implications. Our aim is to provide the most robust and reliable economic analysis and advice.

We intend to develop alternative policy options and to foster a proper debate (which at present scarcely exists) on the likely cost and consequences of current policies.

We are funded entirely by voluntary donations from a number of private individuals and charitable trusts. In order to make clear its complete independence, we do not accept gifts from either energy companies or anyone with a significant interest in an energy company.

9 posted on 03/02/2010 9:02:41 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

All Congressmen who voted for Cap & Trade MUST be removed. They are either Traitors or simply too stupid to hold public office. NO EXCEPTIONS!

Here is the list>

Updated Congressional Score Card> http://bit.ly/8w9ckV

The future of the nation depends on We The People dealing with this attempt to destroy US.


10 posted on 03/02/2010 9:05:10 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Yet the practices of CRU looked more tatty and indefensible as the hearing went on.

"Tatty"? What the hell is that??

11 posted on 03/02/2010 9:26:44 AM PST by Erskine Childers
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To: Erskine Childers

“tawdry” is probably close in meaning.


12 posted on 03/02/2010 9:49:08 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Excellent post. What really shows here is that these creeps at CRU really believed that no one has the right to question them, which is a direct affront to the absolute foundation of the scientific method: repeatability. That they believe themselves entitled to such latitude is simply breathtaking.

They make ultimate pawns. The people I want to see prosecuted are Watson, Beddington, and Slingo. When they start to sing, things will get really interesting.

13 posted on 03/02/2010 10:10:44 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: ModelBreaker; Erskine Childers

Probably more like “tattered”.


14 posted on 03/02/2010 10:16:02 AM PST by NathanR (,)
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To: Carry_Okie
Nothing like hearing a blow by blow account of a hearing...do they put their's on TV?

Of course then they would fall over each other to produce video/sound bytes...

We need lots more hearings for all of these crooks...and we need to go higher than the scientists...

15 posted on 03/02/2010 12:03:37 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
We need lots more hearings for all of these crooks...and we need to go higher than the scientists...

They won't sing until they get fitted with orange jump suits and are handed a tube of KY Jelly. If it's the equivalent of "Club Fed" with the promise of a cushy retirement, we may not get anything. I was serious when I mentioned waterboarding them. It might wreck a case against them, but when it comes to going after the big fish it might be worth it.

16 posted on 03/02/2010 12:07:43 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

BTTT


17 posted on 03/02/2010 7:07:18 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

bump to the top


18 posted on 03/03/2010 9:21:36 AM PST by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php?area=dam&lang=eng)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It was good to read that one of the three MP’s actually had his roots in science and could asked rather blunt but honest questions.


19 posted on 03/03/2010 6:19:54 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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