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Investigators Criticize Airbus for Inadequate Pilot Manuals
Spiegel Online (English) ^ | 4 March 2010 | Gerald Traufetter

Posted on 03/04/2010 9:12:06 AM PST by lowbuck

The 132 passengers aboard Lufthansa Flight LH 044 had experienced the fright of their lives by the time their plane rolled up to the gate at the Hamburg airport in Germany. But they weren't yet aware of just how much danger they'd been exposed to.

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The cause of the incident was a quirk in the Airbus A320's flight computer.

(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: airbus; boeing
As Paul Harvey liked to say "and now the rest of the story"!

Not to bash Airbus, but as our aircraft get more and more computerized, sometimes the pilots are really flying on a "wing and a prayer".

BTW, when this happened, as a pilot, I never would have accepted an approach to that runway. My reasoning was that the CW component might be too much for my "human inputs" and it seems now that the "computer inputs" were not up to task. A bunch of lucky folks on that plane.

1 posted on 03/04/2010 9:12:07 AM PST by lowbuck
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To: lowbuck

“The cause of the incident was a quirk in the Airbus A320’s flight computer. On the first near-landing, it switched to ground mode — which, among other things, limits the power of the ailerons and restricts the pilots’ power to move them. They had to look on powerlessly as the flight computer took control and put the plane at the mercy of the storm.”

As someone who generally would rather get a root canal then fly, let me the first to calmly, rationally, and succinctly say: EEEYAHGGGHG!!1!


2 posted on 03/04/2010 9:22:17 AM PST by DemforBush (Somebody wake me when sanity has returned to the nation.)
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To: stylecouncilor

A-320 “Whew...” ping.


3 posted on 03/04/2010 9:22:58 AM PST by onedoug
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To: lowbuck

During the final approach, the tower reported winds gusting at up to 47 knots.

Hum... Landing in 47 knot crosswinds and a 24 year old co-pilot at the controls.

What could go wrong? They are lucky to be alive...


4 posted on 03/04/2010 9:23:58 AM PST by luckybogey
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To: lowbuck

Did you read the report about the Air France/Brazilian Airbus crash? “They” have all but nailed Airbus (and air France for slow retrofit) for the design of the pitot telemetry-to-flight-computer software.

Apparently the flight crew on that flight had little or no hope of gaining control of the aircraft after the flight computer gave up. The aircraft appears (according to the report) to have entered a deep stall, departed controlled flight, and pancaked onto the surface of the ocean (5 degree nose up attitude) with an estimated force of 35 Gs.

I don’t have any of those issues in the Champ flying VFR.


5 posted on 03/04/2010 9:28:04 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: luckybogey
As Gomer used to say “Surprise, Surprise” and that is how the pilots must have felt when in the flair they lost “roll authority” only to get it back in the go around!

Yes, I also questioned the decision of the Captain to let the co-pilot shoot the approach. When the pucker factor is high that's the time for the Captain to earn his BIG BUCKS. Only problem with this is apparently no one was aware of this little flaw in the “computer knows more than the pilots” flaw.

6 posted on 03/04/2010 9:31:11 AM PST by lowbuck (The Blue Card (American passport): Don't leave home without it!!)
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To: lowbuck

From one of my favorite “squawk/response” (pilot complaint/repair engineer response) stories:

Squawk: “Very rough on auto-land”
Response: “Auto-land not installed on this aircraft.”

The more you think about it, the funnier it gets... (at least to me)


7 posted on 03/04/2010 9:32:58 AM PST by freedumb2003 ( Tagline lost -- anyone seen it?)
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To: Blueflag

Hello Blueflag,

I posted an article that was in Speigel about the A-330 crash. Is the report you refer to from another source??

If so I would appreciate a link if you have one.


8 posted on 03/04/2010 9:33:46 AM PST by lowbuck (The Blue Card (American passport): Don't leave home without it!!)
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To: DemforBush

>>As someone who generally would rather get a root canal then fly, <<

I fly 5,000 miles a week. You can get used to anything. But I agree with your exclamation and sentiment. Up until now the worse things I have experienced were really bad turbulence, a lightning strike and a landing runway-overshoot (no harm done, just embarrassing for the pilot). All on different flights, btw.


9 posted on 03/04/2010 9:36:02 AM PST by freedumb2003 ( Tagline lost -- anyone seen it?)
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To: luckybogey

“Hum... Landing in 47 knot crosswinds and a 24 year old co-pilot at the controls.”

I’ve never piloted an airplane, so I am curious. At what crosswind speed do things get hairy for an average pilot?


10 posted on 03/04/2010 9:38:32 AM PST by ko_kyi
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To: ko_kyi

According to Capt Lim:

The maximum demonstrated crosswind guidelines for that plane is 33 knots on a dry runway (38 knots with gust). Anything above that, pilots should not attempt the landing.

http://www.askcaptainlim.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=755:how-do-you-execute-a-safe-crosswind-landing-on-a-multi-engine-aircraft&catid=65:flying-the-plane&Itemid=90


11 posted on 03/04/2010 9:46:56 AM PST by luckybogey
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To: lowbuck

Lucky is right. Next question is why does the airplane’s computer not give control to the pilot??? Can it not be overridden ( ie put into manual mode). If not I will never fly Airbus again ( though I have to admit avoiding them as much as I can it will be a deal breaker from now on)


12 posted on 03/04/2010 9:52:23 AM PST by the long march
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To: lowbuck

Actually that was probably your post I was referring to!

Of course I cold not find it via search.

But definitely I was referring to the Spiegel article, whether it was your post or not.

To me this makes the Toyota software issues really trivial.


13 posted on 03/04/2010 9:54:47 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: ko_kyi

The allowable crosswind component varies greatly by aircraft type (and the circumference of the cajones of the pilot divided by the width of the runway).

A steady crosswind is easier to handle than a gusting crosswind.

For example, when we fly our little Aeronca Champ (very lightweight) which is ALSO a tail dragger, crosswinds are very exciting on landing. My father in law has over 3000 hours in type, so he can do landings I would not attempt.


14 posted on 03/04/2010 10:00:29 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: DemforBush

It’s unfortunate, but that’s what happens when you take away the pilot’s authority and give it to flight-control and software engineers.


15 posted on 03/04/2010 10:16:54 AM PST by expatpat
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To: the long march

There is an old joke about the Airbus approach to pilots:

In their ideal plane there would be one seat in the cockpit for the pilot (only one pilot) and room for a dog.

The pilot is there to feed and pet the dog.

The dog is there to bite the pilot if he does anything else!!


16 posted on 03/04/2010 10:31:13 AM PST by lowbuck (The Blue Card (American passport): Don't leave home without it!!)
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To: lowbuck

I would not say this is the first time Airbus has had a problem with landings...

Air France Flight 296 was a chartered flight of a newly-delivered fly-by-wire Airbus A320-111 operated by Air France. On June 26, 1988, as part of an air show it was scheduled to fly over Mulhouse-Habsheim Airport (ICAO code LFGB) at a low speed with landing gear down at an altitude of 100 feet, but instead slowly descended to 30 feet before crashing into the tops of trees beyond the runway. Three passengers died. The cause of the accident is disputed, as many irregularities were later revealed by the accident investigation. This was the first ever crash involving an Airbus A320.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX4_Ho992TQ&NR=1


17 posted on 03/04/2010 1:47:49 PM PST by luckybogey
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