UPDATE 2-US Democrats would kill healthcare over abortion

Reuters) ^ | March 04, 2010

[lovesdogs]

This is the best information I can find:

According to an Associated Press survey, 10 Democrats have not ruled out switching their ‘no’ votes to ‘yes’ on Obama’s plan. They are:

Brian Baird of Washington
Bart Gordon of Tennessee
John Tanner of Tennessee
(The above three are not seeking re-election.)
Rick Boucher of Virginia
Suzanne Kosmas of Florida
Frank Kratovil of Maryland
Michael McMahon of New York
Walt Minnick of Idaho
Scott Murphy of New York
Glenn Nye of Virginia.

The Capitol Switchboard is: (202) 224-3121. Call and tell the operator which office you would like to be connected to.

More contact information can be found at http://www.contactingthecongress.org/ and http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml .

Additionally, consider calling the 64 Democrats who voted for the Stupak amendment, which forbids forcing Americans to fund abortion.

They are:
Member Dist.
Jason Altmire Pa.-4
Joe Baca Calif.-43
John Barrow Ga.-12
Marion Berry Ark.-1
Sanford D. Bishop Jr. Ga.-2
John Boccieri Ohio-16
Dan Boren Okla.-2
Bobby Bright Ala.-2
Dennis Cardoza Calif.-18
Christopher Carney Pa.-10
Ben Chandler Ky.-6
Travis Childers Miss.-1
Jim Cooper Tenn.-5
Jim Costa Calif.-20
Jerry F. Costello Ill.-12
Henry Cuellar Tex.-28
Kathy Dahlkemper Pa.-3
Artur Davis Ala.-7
Lincoln Davis Tenn.-4
Joe Donnelly Ind.-2
Mike Doyle Pa.-14
Steve Driehaus Ohio-1
Brad Ellsworth Ind.-8
Bob Etheridge N.C.-2
Bart Gordon Tenn.-6
Parker Griffith Ala.-5
Baron P. Hill Ind.-9
Tim Holden Pa.-17
Paul E. Kanjorski Pa.-11
Marcy Kaptur Ohio-9
Dale E. Kildee Mich.-5
Jim Langevin R.I.-2
Daniel Lipinski Ill.-3
Stephen F. Lynch Mass.-9
Jim Marshall Ga.-8
Jim Matheson Utah-2
Mike McIntyre N.C.-7
Charlie Melancon La.-3
Michael H. Michaud Me.-2
Alan B. Mollohan W.Va.-1
John P. Murtha (deceased)
Pa.-12
Richard E. Neal Mass.-2
James L. Oberstar Minn.-8
David R. Obey Wis.-7
Solomon P. Ortiz Tex.-27
Tom Perriello Va.-5
Collin C. Peterson Minn.-7
Earl Pomeroy N.D.-1
Nick J. Rahall II W.Va.-3
Silvestre Reyes Tex.-16
Ciro D. Rodriguez Tex.-23
Mike Ross Ark.-4
Tim Ryan Ohio-17
John Salazar Colo.-3
Heath Shuler N.C.-11
Ike Skelton Mo.-4
Vic Snyder Ark.-2
Zack Space Ohio-18
John M. Spratt Jr. S.C.-5
Bart Stupak Mich.-1
John Tanner Tenn.-8
Gene Taylor Miss.-4
Harry Teague N.M.-2
Charlie Wilson Ohio-6

from:

http://www.takebackmedicine.com/action-center/alert-the-end-game-is-now.html

[Jet Jaguar]

see 21

[InterceptPoint]

OK - is there a site that shows all the people in the House and does a guess-estimate on which way they are firm to vote one way or the other and leaning one way or the other?

I don't think so. At least I haven't seen it. What we do know is that the retirements and switched votes have left the vote vis a vis the original House vote at dead even. If every member of the House that voted YES on the House Bill votes YES on the Senate Bill it is a 216 to 216 tie - or close to that.

But Rep. Stupak and 11 other Pro-Lifers (all Dems) voted YES last time because they had added in a anti-abortion funding amendment. That amendment is not in the Senate Bill and Rep. Stupak knows it. He has stated that he and the other 11 Pro-Life Dems will vote NO on the Senate Bill. If they stick to their guns, which is likely, then Nancy has to convert at least 12 NO votes to YES votes. Not likely to happen IMHO.

In any case, the thing to watch in the next few days is for Dems to declare themselves as either YES or NO votes on the Senate Bill. Also watch the Senate to see if they can figure out how to do something to convince Stupak et al to change their minds. And have plenty of popcorn available.

[highlander_UW]

11...the number of democrats who have a shred of honor.

[jveritas]

It is not going to pass in its present form. They may end passing something very meaningless and that is it.

[ExTexasRedhead]

I told Boxer’s staffer today to start updating her resume.

[TJC]

If the house passes something other than the senate bill it has to go back to the senate. These anti abortion dems are as much against abortion as we are (I believe) and will hold it up. If they could pass the senate bill in the house they would have. If they get the votes in the house game over (do not think that will happen) the other way is for the house to passed a HC bill (the one Barry is writing)with abortion and the senate tries to use procedures to pass with 50 + 1.

I do not think it will happen.

[TJC]

with abortion = without abortion

[Jet Jaguar]

Thanks.

[Nonstatist]

It is not going to pass in its present form

What are you talking about? In a few days House is going to vote on the Senate bill which ahs already passed, and then it will be LAW. Have you read any of the posts whatsoever?

[Nonstatist]

If they stick to their guns, which is likely, then Nancy has to convert at least 12 NO votes to YES votes. Not likely to happen IMHO.

You and I dont know that . Remember, Stupak and his cohorts are not blue dogs, they are liberals who are "pro-life". They just might fold.

[jveritas]

And how are you certain that the Senate bill is going to pass the House? Did you count the vote and verified that it is going to pass?

[Nonstatist]

Smarter people than us (Rep Ryan and Krauthammer) think she will get the votes. Remember, they are negotiating among Democrats and this will be the last chance for a long time to get a government takeover in one shot. The odds are with the socialists

[Salvation]

Go, Blue Dogs,

[Nonstatist]

Stupak is not a Blue Dog.

[gogogodzilla]

If there were the votes to pass this Obamanation, then the vote would have already been held.

The fact that it hasn’t is a clear indicator that the Democraps do not have the votes at this time.

[grellis]

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