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At Least 36 Died in Washington State in 2009 Under New Assisted Suicide Law
New York Times ^

Posted on 03/04/2010 7:38:34 PM PST by DemonDeac

" At least 36 terminally ill people died last year after taking lethal medication prescribed by doctors under Washington State’s new physician-assisted suicide law, according to a state report released Thursday, the first since the law went into effect a year ago.

A total of 63 people filled prescriptions for lethal medication, but not everyone took it. All those who did take it died. Some people who did not take it died from other causes."

"Oregon, whose law went into effect in 1998, also released its annual report this week. The Oregon Public Health Division said 59 people died last year from lethal medication prescribed under the law; 95 prescriptions were filled. A total of 460 patients have died under the law in Oregon."

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 2009review; assistedsuicide; deathtoll; moralabsolutes; prolife

1 posted on 03/04/2010 7:38:35 PM PST by DemonDeac
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To: DemonDeac

But do we know that those who supposedly bought it were the patients? Do we know that those who died weren’t murdered?


2 posted on 03/04/2010 7:42:16 PM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: DemonDeac

Here’s the problems with assisted suicide. First off, it’s murder, second it’ll do just what abortion did. Abortion started out to be only in the first trimester and only under strict terms. Now it’s a free for all and you can have an abortion at anytime for any reason. When will assisted suicide be a government mandate for certain reasons? And from a person who has known illness and felt horrible at how it was affecting my family. It would be really easy to talk someone in to suicide when they are the most vulnerable.


3 posted on 03/04/2010 7:54:09 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: DemonDeac
They Hippocratic oath has become the hypocrite oath in WA state.
4 posted on 03/04/2010 8:00:17 PM PST by highlander_UW (Obama has lost or not saved over 4 million jobs!)
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To: DemonDeac
"Assisted suicide" is merely another way of normalizing euthenasia, and giving the government the power of life or death over us in yet another way.

Someday, the government will quietly begin withholding medical treatment from, say, fathers who haven't paid their child support, or some other group everyone hates. And bit by bit...

5 posted on 03/04/2010 8:10:50 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian conservative, atheist prolifer)
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To: Darkwolf377
As a practical matter we need to prohibit physicians who've worked in Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Washington or Oregon from being employed elsewhere in the country.

Doctors who get a taste for killing their patients will, given the opportunity, kill even more of them than allowed.

6 posted on 03/04/2010 8:21:12 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: bgill

Do we know they didn’t get these poisons and kill others with them, or sell them to others to poison other people?


7 posted on 03/04/2010 8:23:45 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: DemonDeac

The news in Washington must be keeping it all under wraps because I have not heard of any.


8 posted on 03/04/2010 8:23:51 PM PST by NavyCanDo (Palin 2012 Teleprompter Not Required)
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To: muawiyah

Don’t medicos have something analogous to “Oath Keepers”? This is a political issue. Probably most actual doctors there are aghast.


9 posted on 03/04/2010 9:53:03 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: muawiyah
I have a feeling those doctors wouldn't want to work in states where they'd "have their hands tied" or whatever. It's like asking an abortionist to stop. It takes a special kind of person to kill babies in the womb or the aged and sick.

I need a shower just thinking about this story.

10 posted on 03/04/2010 10:22:07 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian conservative, atheist prolifer)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
ALL doctors there have to be given an incentive to resist this stuff. Exile to their own foul nests would seem quite appropriate.

I figure honest doctors can figure out what to do with these creatures.

11 posted on 03/05/2010 4:43:52 AM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: muawiyah

Thats simply wrong.


12 posted on 03/05/2010 6:39:38 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: DemonDeac

I hope and pray that if I become terminally ill and in constant pain, there is a zealot standing by to ensure that I die in mind rending agony rather than on my own terms.


13 posted on 03/05/2010 6:42:16 AM PST by Grunthor (Does The Name "Obama" Appear In any Hawaii Birth Database?)
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To: Grunthor

Ironically, I, who would be willing to put up with such “agony” for reasons of my faith, would be denied a doctor who would honor MY wishes because he or she left an euthanasia state in disgust after attempting to roll back the situation. We have socialists here parading as heroes of freedom.


14 posted on 03/05/2010 6:45:25 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Grunthor

P.S. Grunt, a lot of people who find themselves in unbearable emotional or physical pain have not been adequately treated. Killing yourself is the chicken way out. I have no beef with treatments that may shorten life as a side effect if their primary purpose is the palliation of emotional or physical pain. I have a yakalo size beef with people who want to anti-constitutionally restrict the interstate practice of physicians in order to maintain some virtuous boycott.


15 posted on 03/05/2010 7:03:23 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Do not worry. I look forward to suffering wrenching pain so that your values are upheld.


16 posted on 03/05/2010 7:08:18 AM PST by Grunthor (Does The Name "Obama" Appear In any Hawaii Birth Database?)
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To: Grunthor

How disappointed you would be if you just keeled over from a heart attack.


17 posted on 03/05/2010 7:10:38 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“How disappointed you would be if you just keeled over from a heart attack.”

Well it WOULD completely destroy my soapbox.


18 posted on 03/05/2010 7:16:38 AM PST by Grunthor (Does The Name "Obama" Appear In any Hawaii Birth Database?)
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To: muawiyah

“As a practical matter we need to prohibit physicians who’ve worked in Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Washington or Oregon from being employed elsewhere in the country.”

Why? The overwhelming majority of them have not participated in an assisted suicide. Why punish them too?


19 posted on 03/05/2010 12:16:22 PM PST by DemonDeac
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To: DemonDeac
Folks who work in a regime where it's NORMAL for doctors to kill their patients can no longer be trusted.

They know what they have to do to resolve the dilemma. They must be given every incentive to do so.

20 posted on 03/05/2010 1:26:49 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The practice of medicine is "self regulating" in this country. The "killer docs" can't practice if they can't be doctors.

These creatures must first be reduced to the level of shamen, rootworkers and witch doctors.

21 posted on 03/05/2010 1:29:20 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: muawiyah


Folks who work in a regime where it’s NORMAL for doctors to kill their patients can no longer be trusted.”

How many doctors are there in the state? Has to be thousands and thousands. How many were involved in these 36 cases? A dozen? Two dozen? Can’t say that its a normal part of the duties of a doc.


22 posted on 03/05/2010 1:34:42 PM PST by DemonDeac
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To: DemonDeac
It would seem it's "normal" for their associations to recognize these people as doctors.

It's not like I'm demanding purity of association, but I'd like to make sure none of these guys treat me.

23 posted on 03/05/2010 1:55:07 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: muawiyah

So, all those who take and keep an oath (original Hypocrates, or equivalent) must be exempt, no exceptions. I would choose at once the doctor that you’d want to use governmental apparatus to reject just because he or she first tried to remedy, then fled, a territory where the politicians legislated that doctors may kill.


24 posted on 03/05/2010 2:51:03 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Even the least afflicted leper may not leave the colony.


25 posted on 03/05/2010 3:01:28 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: muawiyah

Now we have effective treatments that is bygone.


26 posted on 03/05/2010 3:02:35 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: muawiyah

And I will be glad to sue you nine ways from sunday if you try.


27 posted on 03/05/2010 3:03:04 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
For what?

There's no claim on your part, and your last response was INCOHERENT.

28 posted on 03/05/2010 3:05:26 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: muawiyah

And your analogy is bassackwards anyhow. Anyone who tried to remedy the situation while remaining clean is by even your tortured mind definition, not a leper.


29 posted on 03/05/2010 3:06:06 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: muawiyah

I will sue you for restricting commerce between the states, using the Federal apparatus.


30 posted on 03/05/2010 3:06:47 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Grunthor

Don’t worry. I’ll be more than happy to protect you from the “killer docs”.


31 posted on 03/05/2010 3:07:09 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: muawiyah

And yes indeedy there is a claim on my part. I want to hire the doctor, you git out the way!


32 posted on 03/05/2010 3:07:40 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Take a trip to Portland if you want a “killer doc” or one of her friends.


33 posted on 03/05/2010 5:07:08 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: HiTech RedNeck
There's no restraint of trade ~ each state does its own licensing.

Tenth Amendment stuff.

34 posted on 03/05/2010 5:08:01 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Lepers aren't guilty of acquiring the disease. Still, the concept is that some contagion is so dangerous other moral considerations simply don't apply.

Hanging around with "killer docs" is a disease.

35 posted on 03/05/2010 5:09:13 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: muawiyah

The tenth is next to a dead letter today so you are purporting to stand on a bent splinter. I will have your arse in court.

How do you propose to carry this out anyhow? You come carpetbagging into my state, you should by all means expect to be kicked out post haste in shame because your agenda is so ludicrous on its face. You do not even understand how it came to be in Oregon. This was not a motion of a majority of the medicos. This was consumer-driven and went over the doctors’ heads to the legislature.


36 posted on 03/05/2010 5:28:53 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: muawiyah

You ignore that this was a consumer driven movement. Every single doctor in Oregon could have said no and the legislature would still have okayed it.


37 posted on 03/05/2010 5:29:37 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: muawiyah

If it is a disease than get away from me cause I am leprous and will make you so. In fact, being in a country that voted for Obama is a disease. Get away from me.


38 posted on 03/05/2010 5:31:00 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Probably not.


39 posted on 03/05/2010 6:07:58 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I just don’t want to take the risk that some doctor comes to Virginia but back in Oregon, et al, he was a “killer doc”. Best that we keep them all out of here.


40 posted on 03/05/2010 6:08:57 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

How did you think it came to pass that states license doctors? Do you think they just pulled the authority out of the thin air or something? It’s a tenth amendment question ~


41 posted on 03/05/2010 6:10:02 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: muawiyah

“Don’t worry. I’ll be more than happy to protect you from the “killer docs”.”

Thank goodness. the last thing anyone should have is a peaceful, quiet and painfree death. Screaming agony for me!


42 posted on 03/06/2010 6:16:41 AM PST by Grunthor (Everyone hates the U.S. at least until they need liberated.)
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To: DemonDeac; muawiyah

“Why? The overwhelming majority of them have not participated in an assisted suicide. Why punish them too?”

If you are part of a group that does what some believe are bad things (and I am not 100% on board with the practice) then the whole group deserves to be punished?


43 posted on 03/06/2010 6:19:42 AM PST by Grunthor (Everyone hates the U.S. at least until they need liberated.)
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To: DemonDeac

My chosen headline for this:

“Doctors” murder patients under the color of “law”


44 posted on 03/06/2010 6:32:25 AM PST by EternalVigilance (They're too busy grabbing power outside their jurisdiction to do their actual job within it.)
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