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China Bets Big On America
Forbes ^ | 3/5/2010 | Gordon G. Chang

Posted on 03/05/2010 1:32:25 AM PST by bruinbirdman

The country is increasingly relying on exports to the U.S.

Last year everyone knew Beijing was developing other export markets and decreasing its reliance on the U.S. I read commentary after commentary to that effect, and I believed that Chinese officials, who can be a determined lot, would be successful in diversifying away from America's market.

Why? It was sensible for China's technocrats, who properly worried about the shaky state of the American economy, to lessen their country's dependence on debt-ridden, shopped-out U.S. consumers.

In any event, Chinese dependence on exports to America was reaching unhealthy--and unsustainable--levels. In 2007 China's export surplus with America was $258.5 billion, just $3.7 billion less than the country's overall trade surplus of $262.2 billion. In 2008 all but $27.5 billion of China's overall surplus of $295.5 billion related to sales to the U.S.

In short, China's U.S. trade surplus constituted 98.6% of its overall surplus in 2007. In 2008, that figure dropped to 90.1%. Last year, it was clear the percentage of China's surplus with the U.S. would fall even more.

Incredibly, it did not. In 2009 China's surplus with the U.S. was $226.8 billion. And China's overall trade surplus was $196.1 billion. In short, the surplus against the U.S. was 115.7% of China's total surplus. The Chinese, therefore, ran a trade deficit with the rest of the world to build up a surplus against us.

What is the explanation for this anomalous result? As an initial matter, China's total exports declined 16.0% last year while exports to the U.S. fell only 12.5%. So Chinese exporters increased their dependence on the American market in 2009. But these gross export figures are only another symptom of the same trend, not an explanation for it.

Perhaps the American economy, for all its apparent weaknesses, is stronger

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: asia; bho44; bhochina; china
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1 posted on 03/05/2010 1:32:25 AM PST by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

Magic forumula for prosperity to occur: you need to work, save, then spend.

US is on the spending part. US do not produce or save enough for the spending to continue. US spending is relied totally on borrowed money. As long as they could borrow money, they could spend. It is drawing near that even borrowed money is not enough, so now US is simply printing money to spend.

WAY too many economist on the left and right, think as long as they keep the spending going, all is well. They’re wrong


2 posted on 03/05/2010 1:41:40 AM PST by 4rcane
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To: bruinbirdman

We need to stop buying crap from China, even if we have to do without some stuff. Borrow that tool from your neighbor or brother-in-law. Do without new Christmas ornaments.

Quit buying Chinese merchandise!!! Make it, borrow it, do without, improvise, just quit buying anything from China unless it’s an absolute necessity. Create the demand here. It’s the best way to “stimulate” business and job growth. If there’s a demand, eventually the needed capital will follow it. Let that happen here, not in some other country.


3 posted on 03/05/2010 2:27:32 AM PST by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: chilltherats
Quit buying Chinese merchandise!!!

Stop buying from wal-mart then.

4 posted on 03/05/2010 2:32:06 AM PST by world weary
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To: bruinbirdman

When all things are worthless,owning America is better than owning Europe..


5 posted on 03/05/2010 2:57:42 AM PST by aeonspromise
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To: world weary

I bought some Nike socks at Wal-Mart last week. Made in the U.S.A.


6 posted on 03/05/2010 3:11:49 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: bruinbirdman

We’re heading toward either extreme cuts in spending (radical income and job cuts) or repudiation of government debt. We know what a sovereign debt crisis (or crises) would do to bond markets. We know what bond collapses would do to the stock markets, and consequently, to millions more jobs. Maybe the time to pay the price for centralized, global management of business is not far off. ...maybe a few months to a couple of years? We’ll see.

Mr. Chang’s last paragraph of warning and advice (page 2) is interesting. It appears that he put a bit of conscience into that.


7 posted on 03/05/2010 3:13:54 AM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Mase; expat_panama

interesting read


8 posted on 03/05/2010 3:14:29 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: chilltherats

We would like to make them here.

We have the second highest corporate tax in the world
We tax investors who invest their own after tax dollars
We have onerous red tape and regulations
We have health care costs hanging over our head
We have a VERY uncertain view of where our tax policy will be in two to five years

“America once was unique in all the history of the world. Its essence was having an abundance of something rarely found in other countries: freedom from government.” Tenth amendment center.

This was the key to our past prosperity.


9 posted on 03/05/2010 3:20:33 AM PST by listenhillary (the only reason government wants to be our provider is so it may become our master)
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To: world weary

Right, along with Target, Home Depot and so on.


10 posted on 03/05/2010 3:21:14 AM PST by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: listenhillary

Good point, and I agree. As soon as we get the second amendment squared away, which we believe will happen in a few months, it will be time to organize a broad support for the resurgence of the 10th amendment.


11 posted on 03/05/2010 3:24:58 AM PST by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: chilltherats
"Quit buying Chinese merchandise!!!"

Or give the masters of the global personal/political business world a nudge in the direction that they're already running. Many of us are irked beyond trying to postpone problems by putting our fingers in dykes. Do you think maybe, that we need a rebuild?


12 posted on 03/05/2010 3:25:43 AM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: 4rcane
The US is producing 4 times what China does. With a quarter as many people.
13 posted on 03/05/2010 3:41:17 AM PST by JasonC
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To: chilltherats

Don’t buy anything, anywhere! Down with corporations!


14 posted on 03/05/2010 3:49:20 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

I was in walmart looking at computer chairs the other day, “made in china” was on the side of the box.


15 posted on 03/05/2010 7:09:50 AM PST by world weary
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To: JasonC
The US is producing 4 times what China does. With a quarter as many people. .....

And we still run up a huge trade deficit with them
And since you are such a genius what do you tell all those workers who are out of production/factory jobs due to your much vaunted "productivity"? 
There is a dire lack of useful jobs in this country. We are full of overstaffed gov't bureaucracies and much of our economic activity has little to do with real world needs. 75% of lawyers could be sent to Mars and no one would miss them. Lots of medicine is testing etc is useless but done just to ward off possible lawsuits. How about all those useless "climate scientists" and ethnic studies professors?

It was better when we (whole world too) were less productive and everyone's labor was needed

(this post will make J throw a conniption fit)

16 posted on 03/05/2010 8:45:43 AM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: 1rudeboy; aquila48; Jacquerie
Chinese officials were accumulating Treasury debt in nominee accounts--in other words, secretly--while selling such debt in accounts that are publicly tracked.

LOL!  Just yesterday (here) we were wondering how China was going to unload T-bills.   Now we find out they're dumping them on themselves!

17 posted on 03/05/2010 9:06:07 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: dennisw
"...better when we (whole world too) were less productive and everyone's labor was needed..."

Seriously?

18 posted on 03/05/2010 9:41:13 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Why don’t you tell me what we can do with all those whose labor is not needed anymore? Due to the “productivity gains” you fake capitalists like to tout. I’m talking about USA, not Panama the place you bugged out to

Why are we (USA) invaded by illegal aliens from Mexico and Central America? Mostly because they are unemployed or under-employed in their native lands. Those Hispanic nations to our south send the laborers they don’t need or want to America


19 posted on 03/05/2010 10:30:21 AM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: dennisw
Ah, you weren't joking, thanks for responding.  This whole labor/productivity process is important and would be good to get into but if you're mad at me for past topics on other threads then maybe we should work on it another time and for now I'll bid you a fine weekend. Cheers!
20 posted on 03/05/2010 11:35:02 AM PST by expat_panama
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