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If Britain's Not An Ally, Then U.S. Has None
Investors.com ^ | March 5, 2010 | VICTOR DAVIS HANSON

Posted on 03/05/2010 4:39:29 PM PST by Kaslin

Almost 30 years after losing a war over the Falkland Islands, Argentina is once again warning Britain that it still wants back what it calls the Malvinas.

Argentina is now angry over a British company's oil exploration off the windswept islands in what it considers its own South Atlantic backyard.

Although nominally democratic, the unpopular Kirchner government in Buenos Aires has claimed that the sparsely settled islands are a symbolic matter of Spanish-speaking pride throughout Latin America — and is theirs because the islands once belonged to Spain in the 19th century.

In response to all this, the Obama administration announced that it would remain neutral.

Aside from the fact that the Falkland Islanders wish to remain British, and our prior support for the Thatcher British government during the 1982 war, there are lots of reasons why our neutrality here is a bad idea.

Britain is a longstanding NATO member. It has bled side by side with America in two World Wars, Korea and two conflicts in Iraq, as well as presently in Afghanistan.

And the United Kingdom still shares close linguistic, cultural and historical affinities with the United States.

We do not support all the British do; nor do they always support us. But our centuries-old friendship should earn Britain special support in its disputes, even in the relatively unimportant Falklands mess. If Britain is not considered an ally, then America no longer has real allies

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: allies; allyuk; bho44; bhouk; britain; falklands; stupidobama; vdh
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1 posted on 03/05/2010 4:39:29 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

The correct answer: “We have none.”


2 posted on 03/05/2010 4:41:31 PM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: Kaslin

Britain has always been a good ally...at least in the 20th and 21st centuries....

I fear we will be the bad ally in this age of the POSOTUS....


3 posted on 03/05/2010 4:42:54 PM PST by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: achilles2000

I hate Barack Insane Obama.


4 posted on 03/05/2010 4:42:59 PM PST by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: Kaslin

Britian thanks to the disgusting Labour Party has been Islamified and the process is going on now in the USA. At least the Brits do not have a muslim leader just a Scottish idiot quisling like the other Scottish idiot quisling B-Liar.


5 posted on 03/05/2010 4:43:23 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Kaslin

Did we manage to tick off Australia yet?


6 posted on 03/05/2010 4:43:24 PM PST by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: Kaslin

This administration is losing wars even before they start. He would have made a great ambassador to England before WWII.


7 posted on 03/05/2010 4:44:55 PM PST by naturalized
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To: Kaslin

It’s more than just supporting the British, its about letting a people determine their own government.


8 posted on 03/05/2010 4:46:58 PM PST by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: SkyDancer

The Aussies HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THERE WITH US. No one else has, not the Brits, not the Canucks, no one but the Aussies.


9 posted on 03/05/2010 4:49:41 PM PST by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: Kaslin

I can’t believe Obama would let potential political capital like this escape! On second thought, this is another political point that will play VERY WELL for OUR SIDE in November!


10 posted on 03/05/2010 4:50:25 PM PST by WellyP
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To: Boiler Plate
The Aussies HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THERE WITH US.

Not to worry, Obama is on his way there now...

11 posted on 03/05/2010 4:52:00 PM PST by glorgau
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To: achilles2000

I would say that thanks to Ronald (The Great) Reagan, we has some real allies in Eastern Europe.


12 posted on 03/05/2010 4:58:55 PM PST by outofstyle (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God)
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To: Kaslin

We have the hope of Israel always.


13 posted on 03/05/2010 5:00:21 PM PST by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: Kaslin

Anyone who has been paying any attention at all knows that Obama has gone out of his way to insult and dismiss the U.K. I predict after this, Brown will pull all British troops out of Afghanistan.


14 posted on 03/05/2010 5:03:10 PM PST by Dogbert41
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To: Boiler Plate

So we do have at least >one< ally then ....which is good since I’m heading down there for a job ....


15 posted on 03/05/2010 5:05:57 PM PST by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: Dogbert41

That arrogant p o s sure has pi$$ed of our best Ally


16 posted on 03/05/2010 5:09:19 PM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for Obama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: outofstyle

Until Papa Doc Barack stabbed them in the back over the ABM deployment...


17 posted on 03/05/2010 5:14:20 PM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: Kaslin

Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Israel, India, some in eastern Europe,... We have allies, if we don’t allow scheming western Europeans to divide them from us. Most of western Europe is extremely anti-American behind our backs.


18 posted on 03/05/2010 5:18:52 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: naturalized

Diamond Joe Kennedy was the ambassador to England before WW2 who liked Hitlers Germany better than England and let everyone know it.


19 posted on 03/05/2010 5:19:19 PM PST by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: Kaslin

Perhaps the folks of GB and other American “Allies” should be more careful about who they support for leadership in America.


20 posted on 03/05/2010 5:20:26 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Kaslin
But our centuries-old friendship should earn Britain special support in its disputes, even in the relatively unimportant Falklands mess

Such was the decision in the first Falklands War. Sec State Haig did try to mediate, but at the same time was shipping the latest model sidewinder missiles to the Brits, which they later put to good use, putting Argentine French built Mirrages , Israeli built Daggers (Mirage 5 built in Israel, called Nesher (vulture) in Israeli service), and Douglas built Skyhawks, into the South Atlantic.

We also reportedly supplied the Brits with intellegence, satellite imagry and other types.

It was still a very near run thing. The Argentines had much larger numbers, the Brits had much better equipment. On the ground, the Brits had much better troops.

21 posted on 03/05/2010 5:22:24 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: achilles2000
"Until Papa Doc Barack stabbed them in the back over the ABM deployment..."

The Bush Administration told the UK that it would have to wait, because Poland and Czech asked first and will come first. The UK would probably demand all of the design details as part of the deal anyway.


22 posted on 03/05/2010 5:24:04 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: Nuc1

Wait until things go south—and America has her back to the wall—then we shall see how many allies we have. The Poser in chief will not he in office long—a new dynamic US leader will repair the damage in weeks after 1-20-12. Almost anyone would be better than Obama.


23 posted on 03/05/2010 5:26:56 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Dogbert41

Yep. Obammy’s ‘plan’. Isolate the US even further.


24 posted on 03/05/2010 5:29:49 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: Kaslin

Why did the UK let Hong Kong and Zimbabwe go but not the Falklands?


25 posted on 03/05/2010 5:30:36 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: achilles2000

I believe you are correct and VDH is spot on as always. BHO is going out of his way to provoke a diplomatic row with the Brits. He has been since he was immaculated and for the life of me, I can’t figure why. I mean, even for Barry, this one is a no brainer.

Shaking my head in disgust at the thought of the shame of it...


26 posted on 03/05/2010 5:44:16 PM PST by LurkLongley (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam-For the Greater Glory of God)
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To: Kaslin

Argentina has no legitimate claim to the Falklands.


27 posted on 03/05/2010 5:49:46 PM PST by marron
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To: Kaslin
In response to all this, the Obama administration announced that it would remain neutral.

If that stupid a$$ was going to "remain neutral", he wouldn't say anything at all.

28 posted on 03/05/2010 5:58:57 PM PST by Hillbillary (I know how to deal with Communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: familyop
Why did the UK let Hong Kong and Zimbabwe go but not the Falklands?

Hong Kong: lease on the land was up.

Southern Rhodesia: Unilateral Declaration of Independence, same as the 13 American colonies.

Falklands were British and made no expression of independence.

29 posted on 03/05/2010 6:18:44 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (great thing about being a cynic: you can enjoy being proved wrong.)
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To: Oztrich Boy
"Falklands were British and made no expression of independence."

Now that's a good argument.


30 posted on 03/05/2010 6:24:08 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: Freddd
“I hate Barack Insane Obama.”

The idea of ‘Identify,Adapt,and Overcome sounds like the best course of action.With cold detachment and a laser focus on the objective.Which in turn will open up endless opportunities to achieve the goal of Freedom

31 posted on 03/05/2010 7:02:09 PM PST by hwkbeer
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
The Poser in chief will not he in office long—a new dynamic US leader will repair the damage in weeks after 1-20-12.

I know. I am just tired of the socialists and communists in Europe meddling in our affairs. John Bull, you better wake up. The socialist will destroy you completely if you don't.

32 posted on 03/05/2010 7:15:29 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: SkyDancer

Have you been there before? I may be heading to Adelaide as well.


33 posted on 03/05/2010 7:44:24 PM PST by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: glorgau

Too right.


34 posted on 03/05/2010 7:45:33 PM PST by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: Boiler Plate

I’ve been to Brisbane - then took a tour of the outback (bush as they say) -


35 posted on 03/05/2010 8:36:13 PM PST by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: SkyDancer

I used to live in Brisbane as a kid. My Dad developed the city road plan back in the 60s. Last I heard they are still working off of it. Wonderful place we still have friends there.


36 posted on 03/05/2010 10:34:18 PM PST by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
Some of our FRiends on other threads are insisting that it really looks like Zero's factionalists will try to remain in office extraconstitutionally -- by coup.
37 posted on 03/06/2010 2:57:49 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: LurkLongley
BHO is going out of his way to provoke a diplomatic row with the Brits. He has been since he was immaculated and for the life of me, I can’t figure why.

His daddy was a Mau-Mau. No doubt Daddy hated the Brits, and now Sonny has to put his finger in their eyes every chance he gets. He is vindictive and aggressive about expressing his enmity -- see various discussions of Obama's subtle finger-gestures to various people, his "fingerology" if you will.

Zero is no statesman, but has the impulses of a tyrant.

38 posted on 03/06/2010 3:05:01 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

The Obamanator has those tendencies, and I can understand the natural reaction from the son of a “colonial”, but, as I said, the people around O are smart enough to figure this one out.

Even the simplest things are hard for this man.


39 posted on 03/06/2010 3:37:33 AM PST by LurkLongley (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam-For the Greater Glory of God)
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To: achilles2000
The correct answer: “We have none.”

At the end of the day, among nations Harry Truman's advice to get a dog would seem to apply.

But remember whose PM was sitting there in the gallery of our House of Representatives on 9/12, who ran toward trouble when the smoke was rising, his pockets bulging with antique Royal Navy brass knuckles.

You can't buy friends like that. Yes, Tony Blair had his own agenda, and he wanted to sell America an idea or two. But he was there, man, when "America's new best friends" of the previous month had retired suddenly to their estancias on urgent business, leaving our Canadian friends to expostulate, "well, what does that make us, chopped liver?"

Britain, Australia, and Canada. And don't forget the Kiwis. You won't find straighter or wider backs to catch ours.

40 posted on 03/06/2010 4:08:33 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

My point was not so much what others have done, although Britain may have already ceased to exist in any meaningful sense, but to point out that Papa Doc Barack has deliberately alienated our traditional allies. Perhaps we will now have a “special relationship” with Venezuela.


41 posted on 03/06/2010 7:15:11 AM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: Boiler Plate

I spent the summer there with my Aussie girlfriend ... we went out into the outback to places like Roma and Charleville ....


42 posted on 03/06/2010 7:57:57 AM PST by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: achilles2000
Perhaps we will now have a “special relationship” with Venezuela.

If we do, it'll be because we have a size 14 brass-toed boot wedged tightly where it'll hurt the caudillo Chavez the worst.

Sure hope we get a real Prez in 2012 -- but the palmy East Coast money will be in there again with their yacht-club, frat-boy candidates throwing money around by the sackful.

Yeah, Mitt. I mean you.

43 posted on 03/06/2010 9:44:41 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: SkyDancer

Where is your job going to take you?


44 posted on 03/06/2010 4:24:40 PM PST by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: Boiler Plate

To a place outside of Brisbane - Charleville.

http://www.charlevilletourism.com.au/


45 posted on 03/06/2010 5:05:03 PM PST by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: SkyDancer

Well it looks beautiful even if it is a good ways past the Great Black Stump. What are you going be doing out there, if you don’t mind my asking?


46 posted on 03/06/2010 7:26:54 PM PST by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: Boiler Plate

I’m going to be flying for:http://www.flyingdoctor.org.au/


47 posted on 03/06/2010 7:49:34 PM PST by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: Vaquero

The Kennedy curse was not just what happened to that family but what happened to this country as a result of that family. History is repeating itself, only with the muslims trying to exterminate God’s people.


48 posted on 03/07/2010 1:18:50 PM PST by naturalized
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To: SkyDancer

Didnt you attack their currency a few years back?


49 posted on 03/07/2010 5:31:09 PM PST by Vanders9
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To: Boiler Plate

Your best friends aren’t neccesarily the ones that agree with you all the time...


50 posted on 03/07/2010 5:32:08 PM PST by Vanders9
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