Skip to comments.Mark Steyn: Obamacare worth the price to Democrats
Posted on 03/06/2010 4:19:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
So there was President Obama, giving his bazillionth speech on health care, droning yet again that "now is the hour when we must seize the moment," the same moment he's been seizing every day of the week for the past year, only this time his genius photo-op guys thought it would look good to have him surrounded by men in white coats.
Why is he doing this? Why let "health" "care" "reform" stagger on like the rotting husk in a low-grade creature feature who refuses to stay dead no matter how many stakes you pound through his chest?
Because it's worth it. Big time. I've been saying in this space for two years that the governmentalization of health care is the fastest way to a permanent left-of-center political culture. It redefines the relationship between the citizen and the state in fundamental ways that make limited government all but impossible. In most of the rest of the Western world, there are still nominally "conservative" parties, and they even win elections occasionally, but not to any great effect (Let's not forget that Jacques Chirac was, in French terms, a "conservative").
The result is a kind of two-party one-party state: Right-of-center parties will once in a while be in office, but never in power, merely presiding over vast left-wing bureaucracies that cruise on regardless.
Republicans seem to have difficulty grasping this basic dynamic. Less than three months ago, they were stunned at the way the Democrats managed to get 60 senators to vote for the health bill. Then Scott Brown took them back down to 59, and Republicans were again stunned to find the Dems talking about ramming this thing into law through the parliamentary device of "reconciliation."(continued)
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It seems Mark Steyn is much more sanguine about ObamaCare than I am.
It seems to me that we already have this leftist political culture even without the government health system.
Yeah, it’s never been about reforming healthcare but about Progressives seizing control of this Republic.
Yeah, its never been about reforming healthcare but about Progressives seizing control of this Republic.
This is the single most important article ever posted in Free Republic... or anywhere else.
Unfortunately, I fear that it will remain so... that what it predicts will come to pass.
"And those are NOT my fingerprints all over the congressional bill.
I merely facilitated discussion between opposing parties."
Yesterday I went off on Mark and called him an idiot. Well I was the ‘idiot’ because, what Mark describes in this article is Australia.
There is no such thing as a “Conservative” party in a socialist country.
Mark, you nailed it and I apologize. I just hope that ALL of America realizes what they have to lose.
I just pray that the Republicans can hold them off until January of next year when there'll be nothing to worry about.
This happened in Hawaii. Even though we have a Republican Governor, she can hardly get anything done or passed as the whole rest of Hawaii’s legislature is pure left wing zombie’s. I mean from the two Senators to the House members down to the state house and senate. All democrats. I laugh when someone on Freepers says ,be sure to call your representative and let them know how you feel. I might just as well go out and talk to my concrete fence. They rule and don’t give a crap what we the people want or feel.
There will always be something to worry about until the Complicit Media Problem is addressed.
By any means necessary.
-- George Will
I agree. The two-party one-party state is the evil here. The line about the Dems betting on the Reps to not have a backbone rings a little too true.
Steyn’s always good - this is inspired.
One way that Progressive Democrats have managed to keep alive their dead, defeated,
bankrupting theories on issues like so-called health care is by perverting the
definition of very basic terms.
The word right is one of the most glaring examples of a definition thats been
distorted by the intellectual house-of-horrors mirror that is leftist theory.
Every American has the right to health care they argue.
Theyre right. Every American does have a right to health care. In fact, they have
that right right now. They have the right to buy insurance. They have the right
to not buy insurance. They have the right to pay out of pocket. They have the
right get a second opinion. They have the right to rub a little dirt on it and suck
it up. They have a right to help out a friend in need. These are individual rights.
America is set upon individual rights.
What they dont have is the right to health care in the perverted leftist sense
of the word.
A right, in the traditional American lexicon laid out by the likes of Thomas
Jefferson, is something that exists by virtue of our humanity. It is inalienable
and we are endowed with these rights by our creator. No government or
institution has the power to take away these rights. You exist, therefore these
In the leftist sense of the word, though, a right is something very different. In
fact, its not a right at all: its a handout provided to you by government, often
at exorbitant costs to society.
I have the right to health care! the leftists demand angrily. Therefore, the
government must provide it for me! This is where they veer off course. You
do not have a ‘right to healthcare provided by government’. Or a house, or a
college degree or education, or car loan or food etc, etc, etc.
B-b-b-b-b-but!, scream the leftists. Insurance companies can already deny you
No, they cant. Insurance companies are certainly part of the problem. Weve
grown to depend on them too much and on ourselves too little. The system does
need to be fixed.
But insurance companies cannot deny you the inalienable right to health care.
They do not have that power. They can only choose not to pay for certain
procedures. You can still find another insurance company, seek help in a
different state, find a charitable doctor to pay for it, benefit from a fundraiser
or, worst-case scenario, benefit from the generosity of a well-funded, for-profit
private health care institution.
After all, you still have the right to find that care. Even in a worst-case
scenario in the current system, you only need the means.
But when government monopolizes the system, when government first decides
what kind of care youll get, and when government next decides if theyll even
pay for it, your right to health care no longer exists
I believe that Obamacare is first and foremost about ObamaEgo. He wants to go down in history as the person who did what no one else could: create a “universal” [read socialist] health care system. May even be a grudgefest with the Clintons.
Whatever, anything else is secondary to his ego. JMO.
All Republicans are in trouble and will be targets for removal if the party doesn’t mobilize and confront the uncomfortable reality that business as usual is history.
If Congress passes Obamacare it will be signing the death warrant for the US. Citizens will no longer look to their own efforts to improve their lives but will instead be consumed with getting the government to do it for them. “Health care” will be the excuse for government to micromanage anything and everything. We will all become “special interests” seeing government handouts as a “right,” with little regard as to what it does to the nation as a whole.
Pray that God would stop this demonic legislation from becoming law!
Very well written, thanks!
“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.” ~~ President Ronald Reagan
OBAMANOMICSTRICKLE DOWN DESTRUCTION of the economy
Bambi doesnt keep his promises...so buyer beware!
SET THEIR LOCAL AND DC LINES ON FIRE!
PLEASE ASK THEM TO REPEAL THE BIG NEW FEES in TRICARE for Life, the retired Military over 65 secondary health ins. which they passed in a DOD bill. They promised our Military these benefits, and our Military have earned them.
Sen Scott Browns number is 202-224-4543
Capitol Hill switchboard is 202-224-3121
Lots of local demwit phone numbers on this thread
Rename, repackage, rewrite it a tad smaller, and sell another pig in a poke. NO COLAs for granny, retired Military or retired fed employees. BIG NEW fees for Tricare for Life retired over 65 Militarys secondary health ins. (DOD bill already passed, delayed but goes into effect 2011 NEEDS TO BE REPEALED!
OBAMAs WAR ON SENIORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2433867/posts/
New Dem mantra: Woof, woof eat dog food granny....ala let them eat cake.
Obama says slight fix will extend Social Security, http://townhall.com/news/us/2010/02/19/obama_says_slight_fix_will_extend_social_security
Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New Obama Plan http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html
Medicare tax may apply to investment income (ObamaCare tax hike)
Obama: No reduced Medicare benefits in health care reform
Will healthcare reform mean cuts in Medicare for seniors?
Health Reforms Hidden Victims Young people and seniors would pay a high price for ObamaCare.
SOCIALIZED MED THREAD http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2464538/posts
MILITARY & Retired MILITARY
Veterans G.I. Bill benefits MIA
TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:
This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollees cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.) http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf
Bill Would Restrict Veterans Health Care Options 11/06/09
Buyer and McKeon Offer Amendments to Protect Veterans and TRICARE Beneficiaries
Congress plans to block Tricare fee increases
By Rick Maze - Staff writer, Oct 7, 2009
Tricare fee increases imposed last week by the Defense Department will be repealed by a provision of the compromise 2010 defense authorization bill unveiled Wednesday by House and Senate negotiators.
The fee increases were announced on Sept. 30 and took effect on Oct. 1, but the defense bill, HR 2647, includes a provision barring any fee increases until the start of fiscal 2011.
Retired Army Maj. Gen. Bill Matz, president of the National Association for Uniformed Services, said the announcement of fee increases was shocking considering that the Obama administration promised earlier this year to hold off on any new fee Tricare fee increases until fiscal 2011.
President Obama and DoD assured NAUS and the entire military family earlier this year that there would rightly be no increases in any Tricare fees in fiscal 2010, Matz said. We took them at their word, and I cant believe that a co-pay increase like this was allowed to go forward, he added.
Obamacare call list: Courtsey of TN Eagle Forum:
PLEASE CALL! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE State District
Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District
Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 AZ 8th District
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District
John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District
Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District
Mark Schauer (202) 225-6276 (517) 780-9075 MI 7th District
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District
Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District
Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District
Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District
John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District
Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District
Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District
Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District
Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District
Bart Gordon (202) 225-4231 TN
Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI
senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE
The ones who control the language end up controlling the agenda and that is why it is so important to stop such nonsense right in its tracks. Your definition of what is a right and what the left defines as a right should be ingrained into our youth along with a zillion of other 'agenda seizing words'. The words 'tolerance' and 'diversity' come to mind...along with 'choice', and so on....
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It is health control.
Steyn, you don't know your real value to those of us out here who share conservative views.
A lot of Republicans are complicit with the Democrats. I can never again wholeheartedly trust the Republicans after George W. Bush and most Republican Party leaders joined with the Democrats in the amnesty fiasco.
I acknowledge that I need to do the work when it comes to finding out how each Republican in Washington has voted over the last eight years on a variety of issues.
The way that John McCain became the candidate for president is extremely suspicious. His campangn was out of money and declared dead by the MSM. Then, suddenly, those left out of the original dozen GOP candidates dropped out and supported McCain.
McCain and his team spent more energy tearing Sarah Palin down than they did campaigning against Obama. I think McCain threw the race. I have never trusted McCain, but I thought Fred Thompson and even Romney could have beaten Obama. Why did they drop out? Why did they support that little RINO?
No, it will be very difficult to trust the Republican Party again. New faces are needed. If those new faces get elected they need to be under a microscope from day one in that cesspool that is Washington, DC.
It's all about the MONEY!!
They WANT the MONEY!!
It's his "turn" don't ya know......
If the GOP thinks for one minute...that's going to be foisted on the rank and file...they are flipping nuts!
Bump, and ping for later.
Awww Gawwwd. That's exactly how it feels.
The tax code: Economic control.
The education system: Mind control.
Government healthcare: Total economic, mind and body control.
This is the last and final nail in Freedom’s coffin.
Obama has the hammer raised and wants nothing more than to slam it down and seal America’s fate.
He is so close, he can taste it.
I think this puts it out there very clear does it not? I mean that answers the WHY ARE THE DOING this question.
This also makes it all the more urgent for us to fight these bast*rds.
I for one, do not think our constitution will allow this to happen.
I think there is 5 to 4 against this happening even if obamacare passes.
I felt the exact same thing reading this.
I’ve asked many times, “why are they doing this?” This is the unhidden answer. It’s power. It’s got nothing to do with healthcare. Not a thing.
The problem is, that republicans are too stupid to fight this NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agreed. Best article posted this year by far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, I tend to agree that I want to kill myself too, when I learn what is going on here.
Huckabee was the spoiler. They did want Romney. I don’tknow. I think that they know about Obama’s true citizenship. They’re thinking the worst thing that can happen is to have the guy declare an illegal president.
Therefore, the idea for republicans is to take back the congress and white house. But they have to fight this health care take over.
THis must be illegal.
I don’t pretend to have the answer, but I still can’t figure out why all of those GOP candidates who were in the race at the time dropped out so quickly and supported John McCain. McCain was known as a RINO who could be counted on to vote against Republican initiatives frequently.
I thought the little punk was just perverse. He crossed the aisle to join Democrats repeatedly. He was known for this.
As far as Obama’ legality, I can only hope that it is proven that he is not a natural born citizen. I don’t see it happening. If it did happen I believe the Democratic Party would be destroyed. (Not that they don’t deserve it.) But it would be impossible for them to claim that they did not know that Obama was illegal.
Open Primaries allow democrats to chose republican candidates and that's why zillions of busloads of ACORN/SEIU volunteers descended like locusts on primary states in 2008.
It’s going to be an interesting dilemma for the Democrats. A vote to pass the bill now is suicide for November, yet it’s also a very risky long term vote.
Without Republican support, every little thing that goes wrong for anybody in the future regarding this program can be laid at the feet of the Democrats.
You can’t do that with the frustrating post office, or even Social Security or Medicare.
They will own this one, and a vote might not just be political suicide for the candidates in November. It’s something that their party might not survive.
That is the way it is here in Montana. Efforts have been made to change the Open Primary system, but they are fought successfully every session by the Democrats, who always vote in a bloc.
We recently had an old, “eccentric” gentleman who ran for election to the Senate. He had run in every election for years. First as a Democrat, then as an Independent and finally as a Republican.
His stump speech always addressed his belief that America should adopt a Parlimentary system of government. That was it. Nothing about current issues. I am sure that Democrats crossed the line and voted for him in the Primary. He was the easiest to beat.
Some Republicans insisted that a Democrat would not want to miss a chance to vote for either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. I pointed out that they didn’t really care which one of them won because they are both radical leftists who would have the same policies.
The goofy old man won that Primary, but of course was not elected. Open Primaries are a tool that the Democratsuse with great success.
Palin would have the balls to try to undo this crap but I don’t think any of the other Pubbies would.
Right now one of the FEW things keeping the Fed from dictating the minutiae of our lives is that there is no “compelling government interest” in doing so.
Once they pay for our medical care, suddenly there is a “compelling government interest” in regulating just about every aspect of our lives.
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