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Stupak: Health bill abortion fight can be resolved ('optimistic' on Commiecare™)
KSBY ^ | 3/08/10

Posted on 03/08/2010 5:12:56 PM PST by Libloather

Stupak: Health bill abortion fight can be resolved
Associated Press
Updated: Mar 8, 2010 4:09 PM

TAWAS CITY, Mich. (AP) - Michigan Democrat Bart Stupak says prospects are good for resolving a dispute over abortion that's led some House Democrats to threaten to withhold support of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.

Stupak said Monday he expects to resume talks with House leaders this week about wording that wouldn't impose new limits on abortion rights but also wouldn't allow federal funding of the procedure.

Stupak's emerged as spokesman for about a dozen House Democrats who say the Senate's version of health legislation would authorize federal abortion subsidies. They insist on restoring stiffer restrictions from the House measure.

Stupak tells The Associated Press he's more optimistic than last week. He'd said then that nothing had changed and he didn't think House leaders had the votes to pass the bill.

(Excerpt) Read more at ksby.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; abortion; bhoabortion; bhohealthcare; healthcare; obamacare; stupak; taxpayerfunding
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No matter what, he's still a RAT.
1 posted on 03/08/2010 5:12:56 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

stupak is as stupak does.


2 posted on 03/08/2010 5:13:51 PM PST by gussiefinknottle (woof!woof!woof!)
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To: Libloather
See? I told you he was a socialist.

I still can't believe that there were some people on this very website who thought that Stupak was some kind of "hero."

3 posted on 03/08/2010 5:14:22 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Libloather

Cha-ching! I wonder how much the payoff is. Or did he freak out by what 0 did to Massa?


4 posted on 03/08/2010 5:16:00 PM PST by ABQHispConservative (A good Blue Dog is an unelected Blue Dog. Ditto Rino's!)
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To: Libloather

Please don’t resolve it. They’ll get it in one way or another no matter what promises they make to you, Stupak. Keep opposing the whole stinking piece of garbage!!


5 posted on 03/08/2010 5:16:36 PM PST by Faith
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To: Libloather

Sounds like bad news.


6 posted on 03/08/2010 5:17:16 PM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: Libloather
In this photo, the elusive "Blue Dog" was thought to have been spotted...

Turns out, it was just Bigfoot.

7 posted on 03/08/2010 5:17:25 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Libloather
"Health bill abortion fight can be resolved"

Sure it can, just don't spend any of our tax dollars to fund abortions. Problem solved.

8 posted on 03/08/2010 5:17:28 PM PST by ronnyquest (That's what governments are for: to get in a man's way.)
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To: Libloather

Feigned concern for the aborted ones.

Abortion is a major component of any Socialized health care system - Stupak knows this.


9 posted on 03/08/2010 5:17:52 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Faith

This is about political cover for politicians, not protecting babies or the taxpayer.


10 posted on 03/08/2010 5:18:13 PM PST by EternalVigilance (They're too busy grabbing power outside their jurisdiction to do their actual job within it.)
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To: Libloather

I think the plan is for the House to amend the Senate bill, pass it, and send it back to the Senate. The Senate will use reconciliation to consider the House amendments, and then send the corrected bill back to the House for final approval.


11 posted on 03/08/2010 5:19:19 PM PST by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a ObamaCare--or lose reelection)
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To: Libloather
Well that makes this that I just posted rather hollow:

Dem congressman: We may have as little as 201 votes for ObamaCare

12 posted on 03/08/2010 5:21:27 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: cmj328

I thought that if the bill requires Senate reconciliation, the Republicans will stall it indefinitely.

I’m under the impression the Leftists wish to use trickery to avoid the Senate step, sending the bill from the House to the White House.


13 posted on 03/08/2010 5:21:31 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: EternalVigilance
This is about political cover for politicians, not protecting babies or the taxpayer.

I agree. May God have mercy on us all. Judgment day will come and it's not going to be pretty.

14 posted on 03/08/2010 5:21:35 PM PST by Faith
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To: cmj328

That can’t be done. In order for the reconciliation process to START, the House has to PASS the Senate bill EXACTLY. They can’t amend a bill the Senate sends them and return it to the Senate. If they do that, it is considered a new bill and the 60 vote rule applies. ONLY if they pass the SAME bill can the Senate then act to ‘reconcile’ it.


15 posted on 03/08/2010 5:24:43 PM PST by milwguy
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To: Gene Eric

I think that’s what the leadership wants but I don’t think Stupak could go along without being inconsistent with his prior statements.


16 posted on 03/08/2010 5:25:02 PM PST by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a ObamaCare--or lose reelection)
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To: ABQHispConservative

Very good question regarding what happened to Massa. Stupak has good reason to fear the Chicago way!


17 posted on 03/08/2010 5:25:21 PM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: cmj328

So the Senate is going to take out the language for funding of abortions...some Senators won’t like that....


18 posted on 03/08/2010 5:26:25 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: cmj328
I think the plan is for the House to amend the Senate bill, pass it, and send it back to the Senate. The Senate will use reconciliation to consider the House amendments, and then send the corrected bill back to the House for final approval.

Not a chance. Thirty minutes after it's passed in the House it will be on Zero's desk and thirty minutes after that he'll be calling a press conference to announce "a great day in America" and then they'll drop it like a rock and you won't hear about Obamacare for a year. Believe it.

19 posted on 03/08/2010 5:27:14 PM PST by Track9 (Oh never mind)
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To: cmj328

I would be very afraid of this process. Once the House passes the Senate bill and Obummer signs it the game is over and the American people will have lost.


20 posted on 03/08/2010 5:27:31 PM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: cmj328

I’d like to believe in Stupak, but I feel it’s betrayal of those killed in abortion.


21 posted on 03/08/2010 5:27:36 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: milwguy

If the House passes a Senate bill exactly, the bill goes to the President, not back to the Senate.


22 posted on 03/08/2010 5:27:54 PM PST by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a ObamaCare--or lose reelection)
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To: cmj328
I think the plan is for the House to amend the Senate bill, pass it, and send it back to the Senate. The Senate will use reconciliation to consider the House amendments, and then send the corrected bill back to the House for final approval.

Unless Stupak and the gang get sandbagged. Once the House passes Commiecare™, Hussein can then sign it.

23 posted on 03/08/2010 5:27:57 PM PST by Libloather (Tea totaler, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: Libloather

The so-called “moderate” Dems are going to fold like a cheap, empty, suit.


24 posted on 03/08/2010 5:28:14 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Not necessarily. It just means they could be within 3 or 4 votes instead of 15 or 16.


25 posted on 03/08/2010 5:30:16 PM PST by Track9 (Oh never mind)
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To: Libloather

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26 posted on 03/08/2010 5:30:55 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: Libloather

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27 posted on 03/08/2010 5:31:27 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: Libloather

Don’t kid yourself. He’ll find an out to vote for the bill containing the abortion language.


28 posted on 03/08/2010 5:33:16 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
If they do, it goes back to the House, and Stupak and his votes will still control the day.

The question is, how does the Senate remove the abortion language? Is it done by the Democrat/pro-abort majority? If so, Stupak will need to kill the bill when it is returned to the House.

But if the GOP removes the abortion language in the Senate in order to "force" Stupak to vote against ObamaCare in general, then Stupak will have sufficient cover to change his vote.

29 posted on 03/08/2010 5:33:41 PM PST by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a ObamaCare--or lose reelection)
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To: Libloather
Keep in mind folks any federal version of health care is unconstitutional since Article 1 Section 8 does not specifically grant Congress the power to regulate health care. The people are not bound to comply with any unconstitutional act of Congress.

The people are the government, not Congress or BO?BS> The people have the final say in all matters.
30 posted on 03/08/2010 5:34:43 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Libloather; Sunshine Sister; Track9

Try re-reading my comment slowly.


31 posted on 03/08/2010 5:35:28 PM PST by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a ObamaCare--or lose reelection)
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To: cmj328

The House cannot amend the Senate bill. It has to pass the House “as is” amd then go to Obozo to be signed. Then the reconciliation process can happen. The only way the bill can be changed is with reconciliation. I don’t believe the abortion language can be changed with that process.


32 posted on 03/08/2010 5:36:11 PM PST by dforest
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To: indylindy

Massa on glenn beck tuesday 5 pm. There will be talk of “corruption” and it could open up a few things.


33 posted on 03/08/2010 5:40:42 PM PST by biggredd1
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To: indylindy

Whether or not abortion language can be changed through reconciliation is a matter of the interpretation of Senate parliamentary rules, which are pretty fungible anyway. My thought is, once you put a national health care program through reconciliation, it’s hypocritical to exclude ethical funding restrictions as non-germane.

Obviously, though, it’s an important question that needs to be weighed carefully.


34 posted on 03/08/2010 5:43:26 PM PST by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a ObamaCare--or lose reelection)
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To: biggredd1

I will be watching. This whole thing is such a travesty. This whole government is a cesspool of corruption.

Americans held hostage by a criminal mob.


35 posted on 03/08/2010 5:46:08 PM PST by dforest
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To: cmj328

Correct! That is 100% correct, at which point the Senate passes reconciliation legislation to ‘reconcile’ the budgetary provisions in the bill. That is the whole reason the House Dems are terrified the Senate will just let the POTUS sign the bill and not reconcile it with the ‘fixes’ the HOuse is demanding. Once the House passes it, they have no leverage over the Senate to change anything. The POTUS may also be double crossing the House, he just wants SOMETHING passed. Good article on the process here...........

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703915204575103424147119264.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_AboveLEFTTop


36 posted on 03/08/2010 5:46:30 PM PST by milwguy
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To: milwguy
Right, I'm suggesting that they may try a new strategy, where the House amends the Senate bill before passing it, meaning that the bill goes back to the Senate, not to the President. I think such a strategy would be consistent with Stupak's prior statements.
37 posted on 03/08/2010 5:49:26 PM PST by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a ObamaCare--or lose reelection)
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To: cmj328

but the Senate then needs 60 votes, not 51. Unless the hOuse passes the Senate bill, reconciliation does not apply.


38 posted on 03/08/2010 5:51:08 PM PST by milwguy
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To: cmj328

They can’t amend the senate bill.


39 posted on 03/08/2010 5:54:07 PM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: cmj328
Try re-reading my comment slowly.

Your point wasn't hard to understand and you can take your condescension elsewhere... or elaborate on your point like a normal person would do. Your original point was that you believe by saying the Senate would send the corrected version back to the House Reid, Pelosi and Obama will keep their word on 'reconciliation' and if you believe that, you are DEFINITELY in the minority.

40 posted on 03/08/2010 5:58:27 PM PST by Track9 (Oh never mind)
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To: milwguy

If the House passed the Senate bill, it would go to the President. Why would there be any need for a “reconciliation” rule that only applies to bills passed identically by both houses of Congress? It doesn’t make any sense. Reconciliation is for when one house passes a budget bill that’s slightly different from the version passed by the other house.


41 posted on 03/08/2010 6:01:27 PM PST by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a ObamaCare--or lose reelection)
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To: Sunshine Sister

Why not?


42 posted on 03/08/2010 6:01:57 PM PST by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a ObamaCare--or lose reelection)
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To: Libloather

Stupak caves.


43 posted on 03/08/2010 6:02:57 PM PST by Grunthor (Everyone hates the U.S. at least until they need liberated.)
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To: Gene Eric

Exactly.

They’re liars from the beginning.

Same beast, different name.


44 posted on 03/08/2010 6:03:22 PM PST by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray.)
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To: Libloather

Wow...this thing’s really going to pass, isn’t it?


45 posted on 03/08/2010 6:04:20 PM PST by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: Track9
Perhaps, in your public school studies, they mentioned something called a "Constitution".

For a bill to become law, the exact same text needs to be passed by two houses of Congress.

Therefore, if the House passes an amended version of the Senate bill, the Senate would have to agree to that amendment exactly in order for the bill to become law.

46 posted on 03/08/2010 6:04:40 PM PST by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a ObamaCare--or lose reelection)
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To: Libloather

I honestly don’t think Stupak or any of these Dems making noise has any intention of fighting it. It’s all for show. Breaks my heart that we don’t have enough honest people in the House to stop this coup.


47 posted on 03/08/2010 6:09:48 PM PST by Kenny
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To: Libloather; devolve; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; All
NO BAMA-CARE!


48 posted on 03/08/2010 6:10:30 PM PST by potlatch (- What a co-inky-stink!)
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To: Libloather
Stupak is posing.

He'll vote for "health care" and claim that whatever bullsh#t language that Pelosi/Rahm and Reid put in to the bill can give him cover for his supposed "pro-life" stance.

A democrat is a rat. They lie, it's in their nature to be deceiving, feces eating, bottom dwellers. It's what they do, it's what they are.

It's all a sham.

Once this is voted in, the powers that be will make it impossible for it to be repealed, because they will force businesses to either pay a 16-20% tax on the health care they provide or an 8% fee for government insurance. They will dump their coverage and any effort to make them pick up the "cost" will be seen as a "tax increase" in the future.

The democrats need to be exposed for the lying POS that they are as well as any Republican that wants to "fix" the supposed "health care crisis". It's a crisis made by liberals so that they'd have something to "solve".

If a neutron bomb went off over the capitol while both houses were in session, I'd call it even. Leave the nice monuments , libraries and museums... get rid of the rest of the garbage.

49 posted on 03/08/2010 6:14:13 PM PST by erman (Our President-A modest man, who has much to be modest about.)
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To: cmj328

Why do you have to act like a prick..? The point is the bill can’t be amended. It must be passed by the House ‘as is’ and so Pelosi et all are making promises to recalcitrant dems that what they want will be included AFTER Zero signs it into law but at that point there’s no longer any leverage so very few are believing what they’re selling. Now, I’ve been more than generous to you so don’t start in on your nastiness again. It’s bad enough dealing with the fing democrats. Thank you and have a nice evening. I mean it.


50 posted on 03/08/2010 6:17:28 PM PST by Track9 (Oh never mind)
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