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Oil companies look at permanent refinery cutbacks
LATimes.com ^ | 3/11/10 | Ronald D. White

Posted on 03/11/2010 7:10:28 PM PST by Kartographer

Some of the nation's biggest oil companies are looking at permanently reducing how much gasoline and diesel fuel they make, a move that analysts say would almost certainly trigger higher prices for drivers.

Energy companies are suffering huge losses from refining because of slumping gasoline use -- a product of the economic downturn and changing consumer habits and preferences. Energy experts say refining cutbacks have begun and will accelerate as corporations strive for profits.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: 7dollargas; bhoeconomy; capandtrade; domesticenergy; economy; energy; gasprices; refinery
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So where is the price of gas going and what will it do to the recovery when and if it comes?
1 posted on 03/11/2010 7:10:28 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

We might have to equip cars with sails and pedals.


2 posted on 03/11/2010 7:13:05 PM PST by AU72
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To: thackney

Ping.


3 posted on 03/11/2010 7:13:17 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

Thanks for pinging Thackney-

Our own FR Energy Resource...:)


4 posted on 03/11/2010 7:16:32 PM PST by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: Kartographer

Some of the nation’s biggest oil companies are looking at permanently reducing how much gasoline and diesel fuel they make, a move that analysts say would almost certainly trigger higher prices for drivers.

How long until the oil company fans show up to defend this?


5 posted on 03/11/2010 7:22:16 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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Energy experts say refining cutbacks have begun and will accelerate as corporations strive for profits.

LOL. Don't you just hate those evil corporation that "strive for profits"?

And this coming from the LA Times, a company that has to look in their rear view mirror if they want to see what profits actually look like. This company can't die soon enough for me. I stopped supporting them 25 years ago, well before the Internet became the news source of choice, for one simple reason: ultra-liberal, ultra-biased reporting.

6 posted on 03/11/2010 7:22:45 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: freedomfiter2

Not defending it, however I have heard from other sources about reductions in capacity due to anticipating the carbon cap regulations. The snake oil Lysenko “science” turning into law at one point did look very likely, and we’re not out of the woods yet, with an Administration bent on destroying the economy regardless of the facts. In fact that is the aim, destroying the economy (putting the United States, and the eeeevil West, in its place).


7 posted on 03/11/2010 7:31:12 PM PST by Fred Hayek (From this point forward the Democratic Party will be referred to as the Communist Party)
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To: rlmorel; thackney

Agree........ a valued, trusted source of good common sense facts on the subject.


8 posted on 03/11/2010 7:40:04 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Kartographer

A strange story after years of hearing how no new refineries had been built in the US for years due to enviro regulations, and how we had a shortage of refining capacity and would have to begin importing gasoline. Now a leveling of demand requires a reduction in refining capacity. It would have been a better article it they’d given some demand numbers for the years discussed, before and after 2007.


9 posted on 03/11/2010 7:43:45 PM PST by Will88
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To: rlmorel

De nada.


10 posted on 03/11/2010 7:47:48 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Kartographer

this should be illegal.


11 posted on 03/11/2010 7:50:17 PM PST by annelizly
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To: Will88
A strange story after years of hearing how no new refineries had been built in the US for years due to enviro regulations, and how we had a shortage of refining capacity and would have to begin importing gasoline.

Strangely enough, it reminds me of the unintended consequence of all that "driver training," "safety training" and drivers education going on. Well guess what. It worked.

Untended consequence? Less traffic tickets.

So much so that to keep the revenue flowing they would have to triple and quadruple the fines. Knowing the general public would never stand for $1,200 “10 over” tickets they simply maintained the fines at their current levels... and you pay the fine three times, three years in a row.

Same with the price of gas. Build fuel efficient cars and offer incentives to get the older cars off the road, guess what? Total gas consumption goes down. Total profit becomes smaller. Sooo, you cut the refineries back to run at oh, say 75% capacity. The folks over at the futures market point at the government reports of total gasoline stockpiles and they are going down. Stupid investors fall for this BS and throw cash into the gasoline futures and presto, the price goes up.

Ya know, I did not see a single damn one of the petroleum refining companies talk about shutting down a single refinery when gas was over $4.00 a gallon... they were running those refineries at an average of OVER 95% capacity.

12 posted on 03/11/2010 8:03:03 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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this should be illegal.

Whats that companies, making business decisions to help their bottom line?

Maybe Obama should just take over the oil industry like his buddy Hugo did in Venezuala.

13 posted on 03/11/2010 8:04:03 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: mountn man

actually in this one area , yes, i do think the government should be involved. I can’t believe that i’m saying this but considering our entire economy’s well being hinges on fuel costs...


14 posted on 03/11/2010 8:07:58 PM PST by annelizly
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To: TLI
Ya know, I did not see a single damn one of the petroleum refining companies talk about shutting down a single refinery when gas was over $4.00 a gallon... they were running those refineries at an average of OVER 95% capacity.

Gee, imagine that. A company keeps a refinery open when its making money, but closes it when its not profitable. Who'da thunk it. The nerve of them.

15 posted on 03/11/2010 8:08:43 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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Total gas consumption goes down. Total profit becomes smaller. Sooo, you cut the refineries back to run at oh, say 75% capacity.

Possibly, but I'd like to see some real numbers for those years, such as: how many barrels per day were required for refineries from 2005 - the latest year available. I'm not convinced demand for gasoline is actually down. Maybe leveling off, or increasing very little. But, those numbers are available, so where are they???

16 posted on 03/11/2010 8:12:03 PM PST by Will88
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What do you think Obama would do if he controlled the oil industry?

He already stated that he wanted to tax oil companies in order to cut oil consumption. Thats the whole idea of cap and tax. Its not just fossil fuel electrical plants. It includes oil companies to. IIRC Obama said something about $7 a gallon gas, during his campaign.

17 posted on 03/11/2010 8:12:30 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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yeah, i’m not really for obama running things but something has to be done considering its a monopoly.


18 posted on 03/11/2010 8:15:42 PM PST by annelizly
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What monopoly is that? Exxon, Shell, BP, Citgo, Sunoco, Marathon, etc are all individual companies.

The profits of oil companies are 8-11%. Compare that to most retail stores you shop at. Compare that to pharmaceutical companies. Heck, compare that to most any business.

19 posted on 03/11/2010 8:21:43 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: freedomfiter2

You really need to read the article.


20 posted on 03/11/2010 8:26:07 PM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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