House Scheme: Approving Health Care Without a Vote? (It's gotta be unconstitutional)

aclj ^ | 3/11/2010 | staff

[Sun]

House Scheme: Approving Health Care Without a Vote?

It seems that with each day comes a new legislative scheme in an effort to ram a dangerous, pro-abortion health care plan through Congress. Now, House Speaker Pelosi appears to be turning to what can only be described as an unconstitutional scheme to get health care through.

It's become increasingly clear that the Speaker cannot find enough votes to pass the Senate health care bill, and now with the pressure intensifying to meet President Obama's self-imposed deadline of next week, Speaker Pelosi appears to be turning to a new legislative gimmick. This one is dubbed the "Slaughter Solution" - a tactic put forward by House Rules Chairman Louise Slaughter (D-NY).

While the details of this proposal are complex and can be confusing, the bottom line is really very simple:

Speaker Pelosi is trying to get the pro-abortion Senate bill signed into law without having the House of Representatives ever vote on the actual bill.

This would be accomplished by having the House vote to pass a Rule that would "deem" the Senate bill "as passed."

[Sun]

Call your reps!

[Sun]

I heard Michele Bachmann talk about this on Hannity’s and Ingraham’s show. If you want to hear her, click here:

http://www.lauraingraham.com/pg/jsp/charts/streamingAudioMaster.jsp;jsessionid=3ACC30B9F597E448E4F92DDD07A3B39A?dispid=302&headerDest=L3BnL2pzcC9tZWRpYS9mbGFzaHdlbGNvbWUuanNwP3BpZD04MzAz

It’s the first one.

[unkus]

Call your reps!

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And hand your rep’s phone # to as many like minded people as you can.

[rbosque]

They’re attempting to rule by fiat. They are no kings, they’re even less then men.

[Smokin' Joe]

Anyone who does not strongly protest this procedure needs to get a real job—if they can find one after they get thrown out of Congress!

[Tex-Con-Man]

I heard Mark Levin talk about it on his show.

He said if they do this, He will be among the many other constitutional attorneys rushing to court to challenge the legality of such a move.

He also thinks Slaughter should be run out of congress for even proposing something this preposterous.

[JoanneSD]

I have called mine daily, the Slaughter solution, amounts to slaughtering the unborn if this passes

[Sun]

Slaughter is well named.

[Sun]

I heard that on Mark Levin’s too! We’re lucky to have Mark on our side.

[Sun]

Just found this on Drudge:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a1L0cLABQhP0

[Clint Williams]

This would be accomplished by having the House vote to pass a Rule that would "deem" the Senate bill "as passed."

Just hang every member of Congress, without exception, from lamposts on the Mall and nearby, with a sign around their necks reading "Past."

We might lose one or two good folks, but it would provide a most valuable lesson for future congresscritters.

America -- a great idea, didn't last.

[Sun]

“In the Slaughter Solution, the rule would declare that the House “deems” the Senate version of Obamacare to have been passed by the House. House members would still have to vote on whether to accept the rule, but they would then be able to say they only voted for a rule, not for the bill itself.

Would that rationale fly with the public? Is it logical? Of course not. But remember, these folks have persuaded themselves that a majority of the American people really want Obamacare. A blog post on House Minority Leader John Boehner’s blog described the approach as a “twisted scheme.”’

more http://www.marklevinshow.com/goout.asp?u=http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/House-Democrats-looking-at-Slaughter-Solution-to-pass-Obamacare-without-a-vote-on-Senate-bill-87267402.html#ixzz0hsaEHIUI

[fortheDeclaration]

What happened for Obama’s request for a simple ‘up and down’ vote?

[GailA]

Defeat Obamacare call list: List now contains the new MAYBES culled from FR posts.
PLEASE CALL! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE State District

Code Red” - House Target List on Health Care

The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go http://www.votervoice.net/link/clickthrough/ext/94697.aspx to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obama’s announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the “fixer” bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.

Rep. Lincoln Davis 202-225-6831 Columbia office: 931-490-8699
Rep. Jim Cooper 202-225-4311 Nashville office: 615-736-5295
Rep. Bart Gordon 202-225-4231 Murfreesboro office: 615-896-1986
John Tanner (202) 225-4714, Union City, (731) 885-7070, Jackson Phone: (731) 423-4848, Millington (901) 873-5690 TN (MAYBE)
Rep. Steve Cohen 202-225-3265 Memphis office: 901-544-4131
Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District
Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 AZ 8th District
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District
John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District
Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District
Mark Schauer (202) 225-6276 (517) 780-9075 MI 7th District
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District
Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District
Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District
Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District
John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District
Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District
Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District
Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District
Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District

Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)
Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)
senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE
Jason Altmire 202-225-2565, Aliquippa, 724-378-0928,
Natrona Heights, 724-226-1304 (MAYBE)

On the Bubble (Major developments from the “yes” and “no” columns in the House)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2467046/posts

[Sun]

Yes, everyone call, and even visit your reps’ office, if you can. They will vote next weekend IF they have the votes. Let’s make sure they do NOT have enough votes.

[GailA]

For those able to get a group of people with signs about the CUT & GUT of Medicare/SS, call local TV stations, go stand on the sidewalk outside of an SS office...have hand outs of the articles about the CUT & GUT to give out.

[GailA]

New Dem mantra: Woof, woof eat dog food granny....ala let them eat cake.

More Senate healthcare horrors: Starving seniors, Alzheimer’s cuts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2469701/posts

Obama Puts Social Security on the Chopping Block (this is a commie rag)
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/01/obama-puts-social-security-chopping-block

Obama says slight fix will extend Social Security, http://townhall.com/news/us/2010/02/19/obama_says_slight_fix_will_extend_social_security

Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New Obama Plan
http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html

Medicare tax may apply to investment income (ObamaCare tax hike)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2460988/posts
Obama: No reduced Medicare benefits in health care reform
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/28/obama.health.care/index.html

Will healthcare reform mean cuts in Medicare for seniors?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2009/1017/will-healthcare-reform-mean-cuts-in-medicare-for-seniors

Health Reform’s Hidden Victims Young people and seniors would pay a high price for ObamaCare.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203517304574306303720472842.html

Defaulted Loans May Haunt Seniors (Cuts SS CHECKS)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2467213/posts

Obama to outline $313 billion in Medicare, Medicaid spending cuts
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/14/nation/na-obama-radio14

A trip to the grocery store Tuesday saw cost of food skyrocketing again.
http://seniorjournal.com/NEWS/SocialSecurity/2009/20090629-SenCitMayNotGet.htm

Report: Bill would reduce senior care Medicare cuts approved by House may affect access to providers
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/14/AR2009111402597.html

Unions Cut Special Deal on Health Taxes (Healthcare cost for seniors going up to pay for unions)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704281204575003040695279432.html

Mayo clinic
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=517004

Weighing Medical Costs of End-of-Life Care (Money, Death Panels and The Duty to Die)
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/23/health/23ucla.html?_r=1&ref=business&pagewanted=all

Seniors’ coverage options dwindle as Medicare Advantage programs close shop
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-advantage_22bus.ART.State.Edition1.3c912a9.html

Screwing the Seniors? AARP to Make Millions Off of Obamacare
http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2009/10/screwing-seniors-aarp-to-make-millions.html
Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New

Obama Plan
http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html

Balch calls that “genuine chutzpah” because the Obama plan makes that claim “even as it imposes what will be ever-increasing rationing on senior citizens.”
The Senate health care bill already contains provisions that threaten to ration lifesaving medical treatment for seniors.

NRLC says state commissioners of the new health insurance exchanges created by the bill would be given significant power. They could deny people who are trying to obtain policies in the exchange the option of choosing health plans less likely to deny treatment, by limiting what they would be allowed to pay for such policies.
Related web sites:

National Right to Life Committee - http://www.nrlc.org

Obama: No reduced Medicare benefits in health care reform
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/28/obama.health.care/index.html

Will healthcare reform mean cuts in Medicare for seniors?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2009/1017/will-healthcare-reform-mean-cuts-in-medicare-for-seniors

Health Reform’s Hidden Victims Young people and seniors would pay a high price for ObamaCare.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203517304574306303720472842.html

Repeal Obamacare? Unlikely
http://townhall.com/columnists/DavidHarsanyi/2010/03/10/repeal_obamacare_unlikely
Obama spent last week campaigning for health care reform, at one point getting some college-age fans worked up about all the free stuff — “free” preventive care and “free” checkups and so forth — they would receive if his version of health care reform passed.
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Slashing Medicare to pay for healthcare reform an ugly shell game
Dr. Stuart M. Shapiro,
July 27, 2009

http://www.mcknights.com/slashing-medicare-to-pay-
for-healthcare-reform-an-ugly-shell-game/article/140656/
If the cost is by cutting Medicaid and Medicare, then taxpayers are in for a rude awakening when millions will retire without money to pay for their healthcare. Ransoming seniors’ long-term care for immediate, large-scale health reform is more politically beneficial for its supporters in the short-term than it is reasonable for everyone in the long run.

In fact, even in the short-term, one could argue that taxpayers, including the elderly, are looking at an old-fashioned shell game from Washington. No sooner was the ink dry on the federal stimulus package, which provided millions of dollars to support care for the elderly in Pennsylvania, before Congress and the administration began to propose major cuts in Medicare to finance healthcare reform. Because Medicare payments support quality care in our nation’s nursing homes, the proposed cuts nationally approaching $50 billion in Medicare payments for the care of the elderly is guaranteed to undercut the quality gains of the past decade. In Pennsylvania, if the proposals currently on the table are enacted, these policies would result in an almost 10% reduction in cumulative payments over 10 years, or more than $2.1 billion.
None of the answers on healthcare, Social Security, Medicaid or Medicare is easy. But there is one thing we do know: Our population is growing older, and doing so rapidly. Cutting money from the programs that finance care for Pennsylvania seniors is seriously flawed. There is no simple or single solution. But there is a wrong way, and taking money from the care for American seniors is deeply flawed.

Stuart H. Shapiro, M.D., is the president and CEO of the Pennsylvania Health Care Association

[Sun]

Thanks for all your great information, GailA!

I received this from Jay Sekulow via email:

“I need your immediate help, as a committed member of the ACLJ.

As I write you, the Democratic leadership in Congress is scrambling to get the massive government takeover of health care across the finish line - and President Obama’s self-imposed vote deadline is just days away.

This is urgent. Please call your U.S. Representative ..”

I was thinking, we should also send them Article 1, Section 7 of the Constitution, so they know that WE KNOW they are violating the Constitution. I’m also going to write a letter to the editor, and send it to several newspapers.

[GailA]

They’d only trash can it, my Rep Steve Cohen, was a TN state Senator who tried to help ram through a Unconstitutional state Income Tax, before he went to DC.

I’ve been making my calls. RINOS need a few reminders too that they can be ousted in NOV. Collins, Snowe are 2 that need replacing, they usually vote with the demwits.

[Sun]

Yes, let’s not forget to vote out those RINOs in the primaries, too.