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To: indianyogi
Why should they do either?
2 posted on
03/22/2010 7:25:19 AM PDT by
bgill
(The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
To: indianyogi
I think the stronger argument is that they demand we buy into social security and medicare, why not healthcare.
3 posted on
03/22/2010 7:25:46 AM PDT by
DonaldC
(A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
To: indianyogi
Does the federal government require you to work? And if you don’t work do you have to pay a fine/tax or go to jail?
4 posted on
03/22/2010 7:26:38 AM PDT by
ConjunctionJunction
(LOLcat sez: "ObamaCare: Do Not Want!")
To: indianyogi
Neither are mentioned in the Constitution, so, they should BOTH be STATE Issues, having NOTHING to do with the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
5 posted on
03/22/2010 7:26:47 AM PDT by
gwilhelm56
(Islam is a Political System DISGUISED as a RELIGION!)
To: indianyogi
I think if you calc the minimum wage for 40 hours, you'll come up with slightly more than 133% of the Federal Poverty level and wind up paying 3% of your income.
Easy come, easy go...
6 posted on
03/22/2010 7:26:59 AM PDT by
Sacajaweau
(What)
To: indianyogi
If you CHOOSE to employ others, the government has certain requirements.
You have no CHOICE when it comes to national healthcare. If you exist, you must subscribe to the service.
Same comparison can be made with paying FICA, or property taxes. These are conditions imposed on you because you CHOOSE to work or own property. This socialist bill is imposed on you without your choice.
7 posted on
03/22/2010 7:27:41 AM PDT by
ConservativeWarrior
(In last year's nests, there are no birds this year.)
To: indianyogi
the mandate should have been challenged but i am guessing that it may be that the fed government cant force you to purchase or fine you for not purchasing an item.
my questions is “isnt liability insurance on your car a mandated insurance”....I also think that since insurance is regulated state by state...that it is a states rights issue so fed healthcare is not constitutional. of course most of what gov does is not
8 posted on
03/22/2010 7:27:49 AM PDT by
dalebert
To: indianyogi
One is a purely economic matter, a wage, imposed upon employers. The other is not a purely economic matter, and involves the requirement to purchase a product, imposed upon individuals. The courts may treat thses differently.
9 posted on
03/22/2010 7:27:54 AM PDT by
MrChips
(MrChips)
To: indianyogi
Well, first I reject the premise of the minimum wage.
It is a bad idea, economical, but it is also bad law.
However, if we must accept the minimum wage, we still must see the difference between that and what we face now.
The minimum wage does not require any contract with anyone, for labor.
Health Care “reform” does require a contract, which is not Constitutional.
10 posted on
03/22/2010 7:27:55 AM PDT by
Kansas58
To: indianyogi
Employers aren’t required to hire (yet) employees at minimum or any other wage. People will be required to buy Obamacare health insurance.
11 posted on
03/22/2010 7:28:22 AM PDT by
Will88
To: indianyogi
I am not forced to hire someone to then pay them what ever the minimum wage is. But as an “individual” I am being forced to purchase a product.
12 posted on
03/22/2010 7:28:30 AM PDT by
GregNH
(Re-Elect "No Body")
To: indianyogi
I think a strong ruling on the 10th Amendment could have wide reaching implications. Also, minimum wage is state legislation not Federal legislation
13 posted on
03/22/2010 7:28:32 AM PDT by
Sarah-bot
(The bloom is off the fart blossum)
To: indianyogi
The Federal Minimum wage covers businesses doing business in more the one state. It is Interstate Commerce.
In state Commerce is regulated by state regulations. Health Care cannot be bought across state lines there for it is IN STATE, not INTERSTATE commerce.
21 posted on
03/22/2010 7:33:40 AM PDT by
MNJohnnie
("The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples' money" Lady Thatcher)
To: indianyogi
In order for the minimum wage to appply, you have to work for someone. It doesn't apply if you are self-employed or don't work.
Just being a resident of this country means that you must purchase health insurance or be covered by it. Big difference. It is unprecedented.
22 posted on
03/22/2010 7:33:46 AM PDT by
kabar
To: indianyogi
People have the right to not accept jobs or to accept them based on the pay. You are NOT forced to work at minimum wage. You ARE forced to buy insurance (now).
To: indianyogi
Employment is a commercial activity. Not buying or having health insurance is not a commercial activity.
24 posted on
03/22/2010 7:37:04 AM PDT by
grumpygresh
(Democrats delenda est)
To: indianyogi
The government can do anything it wants by any means necessary as can the people. We institute a compact between the people and the government to lay the ground work for how the people should be governed. Our government has been breaking those initial rules for a very long time. So to think that they have to follow the rules is foolish. They only have to if someone makes them. That is why we have the 1st and 2nd Amendments. That is not a an emotional cry for blood but a simple fact. They will in fact do whatever they want or think they can get away with until someone holds them accountable. I am beginning to doubt if an election can do that. It just seems to me that our direction is being pushed by a much greater force than just our elected representatives.
25 posted on
03/22/2010 7:38:25 AM PDT by
Archon of the East
(Universal Executive Power of the Law of Nature)
To: indianyogi
Simple, I’m not REQUIRED to hire anybody nor start a business.
28 posted on
03/22/2010 7:40:31 AM PDT by
Clock King
(There's no way to fix D.C.)
To: indianyogi
Well WHEN this is ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL, it will take care of that question.
30 posted on
03/22/2010 7:42:49 AM PDT by
Marty62
( Marty60)
To: indianyogi
NOBODY can force you to WORK!
33 posted on
03/22/2010 7:45:04 AM PDT by
stephenjohnbanker
(Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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