Posted on 03/22/2010 6:32:13 PM PDT by SeattleBruce
Posted by Neil Stevens (Profile)
Monday, March 22nd at 11:00AM EDT
90 Comments The Eeyores of the conservative movement are all over this Obamacare vote, declaring that we’re doomed to perpetual socialism because Republicans never repeal anything. To them I say: bah. We’ve never been in this situation before, where we’ll actually win an election on the heels of passage.
Social Security: Passed in 1935. Republicans take House and Senate in 1947, 12 years later.
Medicare and Medicaid: Passed in 1965. Republicans take Senate in 1981, 16 years later.
Obamacare: Passed in 2010. Republicans take House in 2011, one year (9 months, actually) later?
There’s just no comparison. We can fight back before much of it even takes effect, not over a decade later when the benefits are entrenched. No excuses. No pessimism. Fight and win, politically.
Well now that I have seen the scenario framed this way, perhaps nine months may not be impossible to turn around, granted that we win bigtime in house and senate and I mean BIGTIME!
Where’s some political analysts’ takes on how the races are standing come this next election?
I mean, it’s one thing to wish it to be true, but quite another for it to happen that we take over control of the Senate and House, and supposedly with enough votes to overcome a veto, too.... or are we presuming making a clean sweep of everything? :-)
I don’t know... because I do assume that we’re going to pick up seats, but I don’t see any kind of rational analysis saying that we’re going to be taking over the Senate and the House...
So, we get to see the bill now. Right? Didn’t 0buttcrack promise us we could see the bill before he signed it?
Good point.
The only chance of turning this around before the next Presidential election will be if the Republicans win veto proof super-majorities in the House and in the Senate. That isn’t going to happen.
My biggest fear is a repeat of 1994 and 1996. The Republicans take over the House and Senate, the voters forget why they were disgusted with the Democrats, and two years later Obama gets re-elected.
In 1994, no one expected Clinton to get re-elected to a second term.
2/3rds, I found this to be encouraging. We must take charge of the debate and be bold in confrontation. The question I’ve heard asked is whether the outrage can be maintained through November. It was maintained since last summer. So, as the heavy taxes kick in and more people are out of a job, the momentum and outrage can definitely be maintained.
Thanks, Seattle, for posting this.
For us to win big time, we have got to get voter fraud under control. Every election I hear people say how conservatives will have to win huge or ACORN will beat them. Why do we allow that?
I would love to work with any team or group that wants to find ways to combat this evil. Voter rolls need to be purged, absentee ballots need to be subjected to verification and we need to find those voting multiple times in different states, etc.
Then we need to start campaigns to call Congress and cut ACORN funding to their newly-named organization.
Please don’t tell me how hopeless it is because of the Secretary of State project. That’s how we’ve gotten in the trouble we’re in, by giving up before we start.
No need to repeal it. Make 0’b show a birth cert. This is so simple a 12 yr. old kid could handle it. Yet watch how the courts etc. handle it , hum hawning around, shuffling their feet, even the chief justice of the SCOTUS will not touch this. If 0’b is shown to be foreign born, then all of this is null and void. Just watch us get screwed over again.
The taxes, cuts to medical programs, and other “money raising” devices take place immediately. Then we need 2/3 of the House and 2/3 of the Senate. It is not even possible to take a 2/3 Senate in 2010. So now we are talking about 2012 as the soonest. It will be two years later and the most onerous portions are still not in effect.
It isn’t hopeless. Not at all. I said yesterday that we are going to have to work like hell to get our country back. Any complaceny we’ve had will have to take double or triple our efforts to make things right again...but the key factor is that we can do this. It is possible.
We don’t need to just repeal it. We need to fix the system. Increase the supply dramatically on the provider side of the equation, and costs can and will come down. Increase competition among insurers. Introduce free market reforms throughout the entire medical system. Reform tort. Comprehensive, thorough reform. Not just repeal.
“My biggest fear is a repeat of 1994 and 1996. The Republicans take over the House and Senate, the voters forget why they were disgusted with the Democrats, and two years later Obama gets re-elected.”
Tea Parties didn’t even exist in the glimmer of someone’s eye in 1994 - 1996. Sure there was significant turnover, but Clinton headed to the middle - he didn’t shove health care down Americans throats just before 1994, or we would have had super majorities then. As bad as Clinton and wife were then, MAO-bama and crew are magnitudes worse. And American is finally WAKING up to that.
Oh, we won’t let people ‘forget’ in ‘tween now and 2012.
It’s going to take a presidential veto override to repeal this bill before 2013. The Republican Congress can and should send a repeal bill to Obama to make him veto it. And the rally cry of every GOP campaign in 2012 should be to stop the mandate in January of 2013. But we need to focus on other efforts as well including:
**Constitutional challenges
**Assertion of states rights
**Constitutional amendments (but not a constitutional convention which is way too dangerous).
**Religious objections to participation because abortion is funded.
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Exactly - the demarcations for the larger battle to take apart the RATS is being drawn up, right before our eyes. Now we must execute on all fronts, as you suggest.
The Eeyores of the conservative movement are all over this Obamacare vote, declaring that we're doomed to perpetual socialism because Republicans never repeal anything. To them I say: bah. We've never been in this situation before, where we'll actually win an election on the heels of passage. Social Security: Passed in 1935. Republicans take House and Senate in 1947, 12 years later. Medicare and Medicaid: Passed in 1965. Republicans take Senate in 1981, 16 years later. Obamacare: Passed in 2010. Republicans take House in 2011, one year (9 months, actually) later?I think Republicans took the Senate during the Nixon administration, not long after the Medicare act in 1965 -- and lost it again two years later. Thanks SeattleBruce.
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A majority of Republican legislators voted for Social Security and the Medicare vote among Republican Legislators was evenly split.
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