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IRS will police health care (Commiecare™ fine print)
KNBC ^ | 3/23/10 | Lindsay Landry

Posted on 03/23/2010 7:41:56 PM PDT by Libloather

IRS will police health care
Lindsay Landry / KETK News
March 23, 2010 - 5:51pm

TYLER - The Internal Revenue Service will be the government's chief enforcer for health care reform. They'll be responsible for watching both business and individuals to make sure they have the insurance coverage the government requires. But the questions is, will the IRS really be able to enforce this?

According to the new bill, the purpose of the mandates is to regulate economic and financial decisions about how and when health care is paid for, and when health insurance is bought. But many worry if the IRS is up for the challenge.

In 2014, every person and most businesses will be required to certify on their tax returns if they have bought the level of insurance they're required to have. If not, then that person or business will have to pay a separate tax to the IRS. For individuals it could be up to $750 a person or $2,250 a household. And for a business, $750 per uncovered employee.

To make this work, the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that the IRS will need $10 billion in additional funds, funds which were not made available under the health reform bill.

**SNIP**

Some believe this will be tough to enforce because of how complicated the bill is.

"They're going to have to beer the branch up in order to enforce it," Peter Milne of Healy, Milne & Associates. "It will actually be cheaper to pay the fines than it will be to pay the premiums."

(Excerpt) Read more at ketknbc.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deathcare; deathpanels; healthcare; irs; nothealthcare; obamacare; police; romneycare
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Am I the only one who heard a story about folks getting sick from census envelope glue?
1 posted on 03/23/2010 7:41:56 PM PDT by Libloather
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2 posted on 03/23/2010 7:44:29 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Libloather
Some believe this will be tough to enforce because of how complicated the bill is.

The more complicated it is the easier the gestapo can operate. Want to bet they will be issued guns etc. Wouldn't doubt brown shirts.

3 posted on 03/23/2010 7:46:29 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Libloather
But many worry if the IRS is up for the challenge.

Let's hope they are as inept as the rest of gov't bureaucracies.

4 posted on 03/23/2010 7:46:31 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: Logical me

“Want to bet they will be issued guns etc”

Um, there was a thread awhile back talking about the large order of short-barreled shotguns that the IRS got. The Dept. of Education got a bunch too!. (WTH???)


5 posted on 03/23/2010 7:48:31 PM PDT by 21twelve (Having the Democrats in control is like a never-ending game of Calvin ball. (Giotto))
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To: Libloather

Well, smart beat devious most of the time, we will have to see where this goes.

If it goes as most gooberment programs, it will just be another DMV, USPS, etc program... yes, they will catch violators, but their main purpose will be to keep their useless jobs, and that is not a great motivator for normal people, so all they will have as enforcers are the leftovers.


6 posted on 03/23/2010 7:48:59 PM PDT by elpinta (DC, TSA: things that make me puke.)
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To: mlocher

which will leave everything open to personal interpretation. Just like IRS rules now.

One agent can see a matter quite differently from another.


7 posted on 03/23/2010 7:49:37 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: 21twelve

Here you go, some info:

http://tinyurl.com/yganca3


8 posted on 03/23/2010 7:49:58 PM PDT by elpinta (DC, TSA: things that make me puke.)
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To: mlocher

Docs and hospitals will also be sharing all medical records now with the government “to ensure best practices”. I imagine that information will also be used to ensure compliance with the proper insurance purchases.


9 posted on 03/23/2010 7:52:41 PM PDT by 21twelve (Having the Democrats in control is like a never-ending game of Calvin ball. (Giotto))
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To: Libloather

I have no income and do not file tax returns.

So how would this effect me?

Something tells me I fall between the cracks.


10 posted on 03/23/2010 7:54:07 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: Libloather
It will be cheaper to pay the fine than the insurance.

But for employers, they'll have to let some people go, in either case.

Just Pray that long before this all sets in - the bill is rescinded and but a memory.

and there's always the possibility that someone will drop the dime on obyummer’s past - and everything and anything he signed will than become null and void...along with him.

11 posted on 03/23/2010 7:55:25 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: SatinDoll

We are all getting there Doll!!!


12 posted on 03/23/2010 7:55:40 PM PDT by elpinta (DC, TSA: things that make me puke.)
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To: elpinta

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2443703/posts

“Frank, we’re going to need some more shotguns!”


13 posted on 03/23/2010 7:57:10 PM PDT by 21twelve (Having the Democrats in control is like a never-ending game of Calvin ball. (Giotto))
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To: SatinDoll

Do you have a bank account?
Retirement fund? They can enforce it through that.


14 posted on 03/23/2010 7:58:06 PM PDT by 21twelve (Having the Democrats in control is like a never-ending game of Calvin ball. (Giotto))
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To: mlocher

>Let’s hope they are as inept as the rest of gov’t bureaucracies.

You mean there actually exists one efficient gubmint’ department?


15 posted on 03/23/2010 7:58:23 PM PDT by max americana
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To: Libloather

So disgusted with these non progressive antics! At the same time I am not surprised. Truly we have seen nothing yet as this administration brings on the CHANGE through the Obama-Alinsky Principles using “any means possible”. Look for more hidden deals buying followers and punishing those who choose to stick to their values and principles. The power sucking regime will keep moving and engulfing in amoeba like fashion. CHANGE is coming through the IRS hiring 16,500 Obama butt-boys to carry out new strategies to get more revenue from tax collecting and fines. Will the IRS begin interfering in businesses and citizens involving internet trade bringing punitive fines for not charging tax? Could this change the internet as we know it? They will bribe tax fine shut down anything that stands in the way especially if it is for gov. profit.


16 posted on 03/23/2010 7:58:34 PM PDT by michgirl (RN-no friend of Obamacare)
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To: Libloather
"Am I the only one who heard a story about folks getting sick from census envelope glue?"

I quit licking envelopes ever since I heard the tale of someone licking an envelope and getting a cockroach egg embedded in their tongue and then a cochroach hatched out. :-)

17 posted on 03/23/2010 7:59:34 PM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: Travis McGee
"Great" minds think alike. I would refer you to "Triumph Of The Will"and invite comparisons to what is occuring at present. It is easy to find if you do a Google search.
18 posted on 03/23/2010 8:00:29 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: 21twelve

Just about all my accounts are empty, and those Las Vegas trips are just taking a toll on me.


19 posted on 03/23/2010 8:01:04 PM PDT by elpinta (DC, TSA: things that make me puke.)
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To: Libloather

One radio report this afternoon said that the Obamacare bill contained no new funding for the IRS and the 16,500 new agents it will apparently require. Might be a little cost there not included in the CBO scoring.

Something to watch as more is learned about what is and isn’t included in the bill.


20 posted on 03/23/2010 8:10:16 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Libloather

I’m Amish..or soon will be.


21 posted on 03/23/2010 8:12:59 PM PDT by SueRae
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To: Will88

That very point was made in one of the committee hearings I watched on C-span. The costs of the IRS agents were not part of the CBO scoring....


22 posted on 03/23/2010 8:13:55 PM PDT by Fu-fu2
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To: 21twelve

Oh yes, I have a checking account. But it is always a very small amount.


23 posted on 03/23/2010 8:15:16 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: elpinta

I lost just about every cent I had on Kansas. Drained my bnk accounts pretty much.


24 posted on 03/23/2010 8:16:55 PM PDT by Jukeman
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To: Libloather
No more tax refund. It will be taken by the IRS to pay for your ZeroCare.

"Re-education" camps, here we come!

25 posted on 03/23/2010 8:18:07 PM PDT by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, hey-hey, ho-ho!)
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To: SueRae
I’m Amish..or soon will be.

WAY ahead of ya! Wrote it in on my census form. They can't touch me.

26 posted on 03/23/2010 8:18:39 PM PDT by Libloather (Tea totaler, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: Jukeman

Welcome to my world.
This change is just bringing so much hope!
All I have left is jokes and sarcasm...


27 posted on 03/23/2010 8:18:47 PM PDT by elpinta (DC, TSA: things that make me puke.)
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To: Libloather
Has all the trappings of Mussolini, doesnt it? Those roman columns in Denver and then the kids singing a cult song on that YouTube (and the Obama Camp not telling them to knock it off!), is what opened my eyes to it.

Even a Japanese book came out here in Tokyo recently likening he who heralds from Hawaii (or Kenya depending on your viewpoint) to he who heralds from Preddappio, Italy.

Initally a COMMUNIST and then morphing into a FASCIST. Same tactics. Same cult worship Same policies. Same thugocracy. Same mentality.

Chilling.

The Japanese can see it.

Nearly 50% of the US population CAN NOT. At least yet. When they see it, it may be too late. Sad.


28 posted on 03/23/2010 8:21:57 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Tea Party 2009-2010 a SMASHING SUCCESS! Massive civil disobedience stopped Obamacare once & for all.)
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To: Libloather

So, if I read this correctly, the people who’ve got it all figured out and who are so much smarter than we are and know so much better than we do what’s good for us omitted this minor “funding” detail, did they?

Big confidence builder, that one.


29 posted on 03/23/2010 8:22:21 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Voters who thought their ship came in with 0bama are on their own Titanic.)
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To: Spunky
...someone licking an envelope and getting a cockroach egg embedded in their tongue and then a cochroach hatched out.

That could be caused by the census glue? Shouldn't we tell someone?

30 posted on 03/23/2010 8:24:30 PM PDT by Libloather (Tea totaler, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder; Liz; AT7Saluki; writer33
...omitted this minor “funding” detail, did they?

And because all revenue generating bills must begin in the House, Commiecare™ is now void.

31 posted on 03/23/2010 8:28:34 PM PDT by Libloather (Tea totaler, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: Libloather

Actually, the IRS hasn’t been funded or authorized to do any such thing.
While it was certainly the intent of the authors, they neglected a few details.

Now, it’s up to US to keep them from addressing this little screw up!


32 posted on 03/23/2010 8:30:17 PM PDT by G Larry (DNC is comprised of REGRESSIVES!)
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To: Libloather

15k to 16.5K more hires by the IRS to be needs, many from ACORN and the like.


33 posted on 03/23/2010 8:30:25 PM PDT by yield 2 the right
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To: Libloather

Make sure that your congress critter votes to not fund this expansion of the IRS.


34 posted on 03/23/2010 8:40:40 PM PDT by jedi150
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To: maine-iac7
Totally agree with you. I just hope the democrats will be the ones who are let go by their employers. Let them live in a commune and the government can take care of them it seems as if they are against money—wait till they find out they are going to have to pay for Medicare
35 posted on 03/23/2010 8:47:05 PM PDT by funfan
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To: Libloather
"...someone licking an envelope and getting a cockroach egg embedded in their tongue and then a cochroach hatched out.

That could be caused by the census glue? Shouldn't we tell someone?

..cockroach.?...more likley a nano-size radio-tag

36 posted on 03/23/2010 8:49:47 PM PDT by spokeshave (They'll get my false teeth when they pry them from my sister's cold, dead mouth)
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To: mlocher

They’re inept...they can’t get the First Time Home Buyer’s credit paid, many are waiting months (like 9 months.)

I came across a blog, quite by accident, and have been following it. Horror stories of people waiting and waiting. The IRS seems to have figured out the process for people filing this year, but dozens of those who filed last year for the rebate are in limbo. Here’s a link, and from this I can pretty much guarantee that if the IRS is involved it’s going to be messed up beyond belief.

http://www.lvrealty.net/news/first-time-home-buyer-tax-credit


37 posted on 03/23/2010 8:58:43 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: funfan
Totally agree with you. I just hope the democrats will be the ones who are let go by their employers

There was a funny email going around about an employer who had to, because of this bill, let 60 people go.

He agonized about how he could choose - how to somehow make it fair.

so he went out to the parking lot - and made note of every car with an Obama sticker on it...

Yep, that seemed fair. They voted for change...he'd give it to them.

38 posted on 03/23/2010 8:59:41 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah; betty boop; Arthur Wildfire! March

ping


39 posted on 03/23/2010 9:07:11 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: bamahead; sickoflibs

ping


40 posted on 03/23/2010 9:07:31 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: dawn53

The problem is is that the IRS can make a person’s life absolute hell if they set their sights on him.


41 posted on 03/23/2010 9:12:21 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: maine-iac7

It may be more true than some realize....


42 posted on 03/23/2010 9:13:28 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: maine-iac7

there is more truth to that than you may know...


43 posted on 03/23/2010 9:16:19 PM PDT by phockthis
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To: Logical me

You’ve got it. Our coming thugocracy will not let a little thing like “rule of law” get in their way. The law will be anything they say it is.


44 posted on 03/23/2010 9:30:38 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: Logical me

“The more complicated it is the easier the gestapo can operate. Want to bet they will be issued guns etc.”

Good Guess.

Solicitation Number: TIRWR-10-Q-00023
Agency: Department of the Treasury
Office: Internal Revenue Service (IRS)
Location: Field Operations Branch Western (OS:A:P:B:W)

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) intends to purchase sixty Remington Model 870 Police RAMAC #24587 12 gauge pump-action shotguns for the Criminal Investigation Division. The Remington parkerized shotguns, with fourteen inch barrel, modified choke, Wilson Combat Ghost Ring rear sight and XS4 Contour Bead front sight, Knoxx Reduced Recoil Adjustable Stock, and Speedfeed ribbed black forend, are designated as the only shotguns authorized for IRS duty based on compatibility with IRS existing shotgun inventory, certified armorer and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts.

Submit quotes including 11% Firearms and Ammunition Excise Tax (FAET) and shipping to Washington DC.


45 posted on 03/23/2010 9:36:53 PM PDT by Wolfhound77
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To: Travis McGee

Lets see now, your a US citizen, you have to pay or we will put you in jail.


46 posted on 03/24/2010 12:13:33 AM PDT by Always Independent
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To: metmom

Thank you for the ping.


47 posted on 03/24/2010 12:31:10 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: Libloather

Did I remember correctly? I heard on talk radio — 15 thousand new IRS agents needed for this. [Fuzzy memory alert.]


48 posted on 03/24/2010 12:32:18 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: Travis McGee

What is going to happen when an illegal alien shows up at the Emergency Room with a broken arm or a sick baby? I have no doubt they will be treated. Will they be “fined” for not having insurance? Will they be given an application to get a subsidized health insurance policy? Is there a plan?


49 posted on 03/24/2010 1:10:42 AM PDT by REPANDPROUDOFIT (General, sir, it's ok to call me "ma'am"!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Nearly 50% of the US population CAN NOT. At least yet. When they see it, it may be too late. Sad.

I hardly see any Obama bumper stickers anymore, and know of very few people who admit to voting for him. Unfortunately, their damage is done. If people did not see this coming, they're idiots.
50 posted on 03/24/2010 1:59:29 AM PDT by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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