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Atheist Crusaders
Touchstone ^ | March/April 2010 | Phillip E. Johnson

Posted on 03/25/2010 5:43:23 AM PDT by rhema

I have read Christopher Hitchens’s book God Is Not Great twice, in preparation for a book I have co-written with Biola University philosopher Dr. John Mark Reynolds. Due to come out this spring, our book is titled Against All Gods: What’s Right and Wrong About the “New Atheism.” Because not all readers may know at once who the new atheists are, I will say that they are a group of very fervent opponents of “religion,” of whom the best known are zoologist and science popularizer Richard Dawkins, Tufts University philosopher Daniel Dennett, and Hitchens.

What is new about these atheists is not their arguments, which will be familiar to anyone who has read the classics of religious skepticism. The new element that has made these writers famous or notorious is their insistence that it is time not just to stop believing in religion, but to stop treating religion with any respect whatsoever.

Hitchens’s book is one of the most readable of the new atheist polemics. Nearly everything he writes is lively and engaging because he is a highly skilled writer and a clever advocate who often brings up points that are worth pondering seriously, along with others that are downright frivolous.

On the frivolous side, Hitchens likes to deflate supposedly great men by calling them “mammals,” but this derisory term brings in the problem of self-reference. While Hitchens never refers to the authorities on his side as “mammals,” reserving that category for those whom he wishes to belittle, it will not escape the reader that if “great men” are only mammals, then so are scientists, including the esteemed Charles Darwin and the not-quite-so-esteemed Richard Dawkins, and so, of course, is Hitchens himself. Which raises the question: Why should we take seriously any speculation by a mere mammal, or even

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KEYWORDS: antichristian; atheismandstate; atheistsupremacist; catholic; dawkins; fundamentalatheism; hitchens; kissinger; motherteresa

1 posted on 03/25/2010 5:43:23 AM PDT by rhema
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To: rhema

If there were no God, there would be no atheist.


2 posted on 03/25/2010 5:48:25 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: rhema

‘..but to stop treating religion with any respect whatsoever’

I wonder if Christopher Hitchens has the cajones to tell our black brothers and sisters that their Sunday services do not deserve any respect along with telling the Islamic community that Allah is a pipe dream??


3 posted on 03/25/2010 5:49:43 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: rhema
Atheism is the most illogical,childish worldview. Only the deranged proclaim it.

No accounting for universal, invariant, abstract concepts.

No basis for ethical absolutes.

No basis for any absolutes.

That's Atheism. The opiate of the pseudo-intellectual.

4 posted on 03/25/2010 5:56:04 AM PDT by crghill (You can't put a condom on your soul. I'm an anti-antinomian.)
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To: rhema

ping


5 posted on 03/25/2010 6:03:48 AM PDT by Ulysse (a)
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To: crghill

The only argument I see is that all religions are equally valid. Or else, equally invalid. You, of course, get to choose what is true. In other words...opinion. And all opinions are absolutely correct.


6 posted on 03/25/2010 6:04:21 AM PDT by Huebolt (Some people are born to be slaves. They register as democrats.)
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To: crghill
I agree with each one of you very thoughtful, very witty responses. Its their ego too.

However, God really loves them too, as hard as their immature view is to take at times.

As much as they anger me too, He loves them as much as he loves you.

In the end, God is so great, that they will beleive in him someday as well, maybe not here, but infinity is a long time and unlike God we change continually.

That was good about no God, no Atheist. That would be a great slogan back at them!! How funny! No but seriously Freeps.

7 posted on 03/25/2010 6:09:51 AM PDT by Uversabound (Our Military past and present: Our Highest example of Brotherhood of Man & Doing God's Will)
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To: rhema

Atheist credo:

1) There is no God

2) I hate Him.


8 posted on 03/25/2010 6:17:21 AM PDT by naturalized
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To: rhema

Holy Atheists. That’s exactly what they are.

The fact that they are unable to take an objective look at history and compare the murders-per-year under communism (any communism, anywhere) and the murders-per-year under Christianity and see clearly that one is a distinct evil where the other isn’t... that fact shows they are blinded by their faith.


9 posted on 03/25/2010 6:20:04 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: rhema

Leftism is about envy and bringing people down to the mediocre. Among many other things, leftists envy those with religion, especially members of affuent churches. They envy the religious for their extra level of confidence and motivation and their social standing. And they know religious people have a strong competitive advantage in war, both politically in fighting off envious hostility, and on the battlefield with real bullets. To win against their cultural betters, they must ridicule and corrupt their prey’s competitive advantages.


10 posted on 03/25/2010 6:28:36 AM PDT by Reeses (All is vanity)
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To: samtheman

I never understood the point of leaping from atheism to communism in these discussions. What does communism have to do with it?


11 posted on 03/25/2010 6:47:08 AM PDT by ozidar
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To: ozidar

Communists always impose atheism. Socialists would do this too but lack sufficient authority so they mainly nip at religion from the sides. While atheism itself is not leftist, atheistic advocacy usually is. People actively trying to bring down others and their culture in envy are leftists.


12 posted on 03/25/2010 7:01:22 AM PDT by Reeses (All is vanity)
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To: ozidar

It’s something like; If we are not created, then we evolved. And not only do lifeforms evolve, social structures evolve’ and communism is at the top of the social structure food chain.


13 posted on 03/25/2010 7:02:54 AM PDT by joelt
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To: rhema
All atheists are crusaders; always have been. That's what I've never understood about them. They declare life and the universe meaningless and then embark on a fanatical crusade--and with joy and fanaticism in their hearts--to promote "social justice" and protect the superstitions of "indigenous peoples."
14 posted on 03/25/2010 7:04:27 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hinneh, 'Anokhi sholeach lakhem 'et 'Eliyyah HaNavi'; lifney bo' yom HaShem hagadol vehanora'!)
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To: rhema

I doubt that anyone would listen to Hitchens if he didn’t have the english accent to lend an air of respectability to his bigoted polemic.

Guys like Hitchens and Dawkins are merely vicious little twerps who have found an outlet where they can get away with being vicious little twerps. In any other settings they would get their teeth knocked out.


15 posted on 03/25/2010 7:07:27 AM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: rhema
Hitchens’s book is one of the most readable of the new atheist polemics. Nearly everything he writes is lively and engaging because he is a highly skilled writer and a clever advocate who often brings up points that are worth pondering seriously, along with others that are downright frivolous.

I have the same reaction to Hitchens. I do think he's both intelligent and entertaining. He's completely wrong about God, but so is most of the world. It's hard to blame a blind man for stumbling. We can pray for him.

16 posted on 03/25/2010 7:15:41 AM PDT by highlander_UW (Happiness doesn't come from owning something; it comes from being a part of something)
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To: Huebolt

Are you saying logic doesn’t apply to religion?


17 posted on 03/25/2010 8:09:01 AM PDT by crghill (You can't put a condom on your soul. I'm an anti-antinomian.)
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To: Uversabound

I’ve got one question...does God hate the wicked?


18 posted on 03/25/2010 8:09:41 AM PDT by crghill (You can't put a condom on your soul. I'm an anti-antinomian.)
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To: crghill
I’ve got one question...does God hate the wicked?

He punishes the wicked, because he hates their wickedness.

19 posted on 03/25/2010 8:10:19 AM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: TChris
Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"

Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."

Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."

Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."

Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."

20 posted on 03/25/2010 8:14:42 AM PDT by crghill (You can't put a condom on your soul. I'm an anti-antinomian.)
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To: ozidar

“I never understood the point of leaping from atheism to communism in these discussions. What does communism have to do with it?”

I never got that either. If anything atheist could be anywhere on the political chart. Look at Hitchens for instance: he believes in some green Ralph Nader like domestic policy and a neocon foreign policy.


21 posted on 03/25/2010 8:33:45 AM PDT by Raymann
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To: crghill

No, logic does not apply to opinion.


22 posted on 03/25/2010 8:34:38 AM PDT by Huebolt (Some people are born to be slaves. They register as democrats.)
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To: Huebolt

Logic does not apply to the opinion/claim. Logic does apply to the evidence for the claim however. Not all religions are the same, one is logical...the rest are not.


23 posted on 03/25/2010 8:47:20 AM PDT by crghill (You can't put a condom on your soul. I'm an anti-antinomian.)
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To: ozidar
What does communism have to do with it?

you've obviously not read Marx, Engles, Lenin, or Mao. 

Athiesm is fundamental to communism. If you believe in God, you recognise something greater than the 'state'. They understand well how much this undermines their alleged authority.

24 posted on 03/25/2010 9:08:07 AM PDT by zeugma (Proofread a page a day: http://www.pgdp.net/)
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To: crghill
Logic does not apply to the opinion/claim. Logic does apply to the evidence for the claim however. Not all religions are the same, one is logical...the rest are not.

Exactly! That's why British naval officers were absolutely forbidden to discuss women, religion, or politics aboard ship. Leads to...death and mutiny.

25 posted on 03/25/2010 9:08:52 AM PDT by Huebolt (Some people are born to be slaves. They register as democrats.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge
Say what you will about Christopher Hitchens, he has not shirked from ‘telling it like it is’ about radical Islam. Salman Rushdie moved into Hitchens’ apartment right after the fatwa. That displays testicular fortitude - cajones.
26 posted on 03/25/2010 9:11:07 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: ozidar
I never understood the point of leaping from atheism to communism in these discussions. What does communism have to do with it?

Those who believe in nothing will fall for anything.

27 posted on 03/25/2010 9:11:21 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: ozidar

There are several points of connect between atheism and communism.

There’s the obvious connection that communism is self-declared atheist.

And there are other points of connection.

But the most important point of connection in regard to this article about Crusading Atheists is that they are attacking the history of Christianity but they never ever mention or even notice the massacre-bloody history of communism, which they tend to support in one form or another.


28 posted on 03/25/2010 9:22:54 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: rhema

If one wishes a real eye opener on atheism and skepticism in general read the literature of classical Greece and Rome; i.e. Epicurus and his school. The present day arguments were made in those times. This current crop has not uncovered any really new arguments. The similarities between the skepticism of the two civilizations are very interesting.


29 posted on 03/25/2010 9:52:32 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: crghill

Our Father does not hate.

The two are incompatable.


30 posted on 03/25/2010 11:43:07 AM PDT by Uversabound (Our Military past and present: Our Highest example of Brotherhood of Man & Doing God's Will)
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To: Uversabound
I have to respectfully disagree with you. According to the bible, He does indeed hate. Those who are sent to hell He hates and visits His wrath on for all eternity. I offer the following scriptures to you as proof. I understand that you recognize God's loving graciousness and I appreciate that. However, Love is not the central characteristic of God's revealed character. Holiness is.

Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"

Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."

Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."

Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."

Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."

31 posted on 03/25/2010 1:49:12 PM PDT by crghill (You can't put a condom on your soul. I'm an anti-antinomian.)
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To: crghill

A very human and understandably immature view of God.

It does not matter what we think. It will be revealed to you once you are ready. Once God knows you are ready.


32 posted on 03/26/2010 5:50:05 AM PDT by Uversabound (Our Military past and present: Our Highest example of Brotherhood of Man & Doing God's Will)
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To: samtheman
In Mere Christianity CS Lewis observes that to a Christian who believes in the immortality of the soul, life on earth is simply a phase of existence and whatever earthly pleasures, pains, victories or defeats we experience here are ephemeral and transitory. Likewise, the governmental system under which we live is something we will outlast, and consequently, the state is something that should exist to serve and promote the betterment of the individual. To the atheist, on the other hand, the state transcends the existence of the individual, and consequently views the purpose of an individual life to be one of service to the betterment and enhancement of the state.

I would highly recommend this book to any person even casually interested in the debate...


33 posted on 03/26/2010 5:58:44 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Uversabound
I'd like for you to read this and assume a friendly tone to it.

One of the most common tactics used by people who cannot substantiate their position is that of name calling. You've now called me human (read unspiritual) and immature. Yet, I've provided you with evidence for my argument. You've not answered this evidence and instead resorted to calling me names. I gracefully challenge you to answer my scriptural evidence with scripture.

If you can then our dialogue can continue. If not, then we have nothing further to discuss.

34 posted on 03/26/2010 7:58:32 AM PDT by crghill (You can't put a condom on your soul. I'm an anti-antinomian.)
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