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Utah governor signs bills to seize federal land
ap ^ | March 28, 2010

Posted on 03/28/2010 7:56:28 PM PDT by george76

Two measures OKd by Gov. Gary R. Herbert would allow use of eminent domain to take valuable sites. A long court fight is likely.

Supporters hope the bills, which the Republican governor signed Saturday, will trigger a flood of similar legislation throughout the West and, eventually, a U.S. Supreme Court battle that it hopes to win -- against long odds.

More than 60% of Utah is owned by the U.S. government, and policy makers complain that federal ownership hinders their ability to generate tax revenue and adequately fund public schools...

Initially, the state would target three areas, including the Kaiparowits plateau in Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument, which is home to large coal reserves...

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; anthracite; coal; eminent; eminentdomain; energy; government; kelo; land; landrights; naturalresources; statesovereignity; statesrights; waste
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1 posted on 03/28/2010 7:56:28 PM PDT by george76
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That’s where the clean coal that Bill Clinton put off limits so Freeport MacMoran of New Orleans could profit from their Indonesian Coal mines. YES PEOPLE, we are buying coal from Indonesia instead of UTAH to fuel COGEN plants because Bill Clinton was bought and paid for.

Is it a surprise?


2 posted on 03/28/2010 8:00:10 PM PDT by panzerkamphwageneinz (HALLELUJAH)
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To: george76
More than 60% of Utah is owned by the U.S. government, and policy makers complain that federal ownership hinders their ability to generate tax revenue and adequately fund public schools...

Mine coal...for the children! :-)
3 posted on 03/28/2010 8:00:41 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: george76
Go Utah. States need to push back or risk becoming mere janitorial services for the federal Leviathan.
4 posted on 03/28/2010 8:01:05 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Carry_Okie; editor-surveyor; jazusamo; LucyT; Candor7; familyop; SierraWasp; Seadog Bytes; ...

Supporters argue that provisions in the legislation that granted Utah statehood would allow it ...

http://dailyme.com/story/2010030300002221/utah-move-seize-federal-land.html


5 posted on 03/28/2010 8:01:05 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

FINALLY. We need more of this. UT would be one of the wealthiest countries in the world with just teh clean coal.


6 posted on 03/28/2010 8:01:11 PM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain called AMERICANS against amnesty - "racists")
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To: george76

Sure wish they had started these actions years ago. They might have gotten on the docket by now.


7 posted on 03/28/2010 8:01:18 PM PDT by mia
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz

If the state of Utah gives the land back to the mining companies that owned it before the federal land steal, this is a good thing. If they sell it to someone else, it may be immoral as well as illegal.


8 posted on 03/28/2010 8:01:46 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz

Wasn’t that James Riady?


9 posted on 03/28/2010 8:02:04 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: george76

State’s Rights


10 posted on 03/28/2010 8:02:59 PM PDT by CSI007
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To: george76
One of my ancestors sold off most of Indiana to farmers and townsmen moving in from elsewhere. He sold both major grants (Clark, Lee, etc.) and federal claims in the region.

Of course that land had value for agriculture ~ except for the vast swamp South of Fort Wayne (the Limberlost) ~ that wasn't sold off until he'd been dead most of a century.

Utah is more like the Limberlost. Might have some value but it couldn't be realized until a later century ~ which may be now. The decisions regarding release of federal claims to that land should be subjected to extensive review. Certainly any state can give better attention to it's own land than can a remote federal agency.

11 posted on 03/28/2010 8:03:17 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz

Yup. Thank goodness. We need more of this. the ONLY way we can pay down the debt, create wealth (a big deal), create jobs and tax revenues is domestic energy and we have it.

Sarah Palin “gets it” om energy - she needs to just GET AWAY from MCCain.


12 posted on 03/28/2010 8:03:34 PM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain called AMERICANS against amnesty - "racists")
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To: george76

WaHoo!!! Open up the anthracite mines.


13 posted on 03/28/2010 8:04:26 PM PDT by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: muawiyah

You are missing the point. The USA has 4 to 5 times the energy reserves of the Saudis. The Dems, some Repubs and enviros are on the Saudi take (funding think tanks).

The Feds grab the land and make it a park. This keeps us energy slaves to the Saudis. Great job Utah.


14 posted on 03/28/2010 8:05:54 PM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain called AMERICANS against amnesty - "racists")
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To: tbw2
? ~ we aren't really talking about immediate prior use "ownership". The land has been the property of the federal government since statehood. The federales merely rented it out to miners, etc.

Frankly, federal stewardship of land like this, for example in Indian reservations, has not been beneficial to the inhabitants, those who live near the area, nor the nation as a whole.

15 posted on 03/28/2010 8:06:01 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: Frantzie
Do you know what's under Illinois?

There's a coal field that'd choke the crab nebula.

Same in North Dakota, South Dakota, parts of Wyoming, Indiana, Kentucky, West Virginia, Tennessee, Ohio, and so on.

Utah isn't the only place in this country with coal.

The redesignation of the low-sulfur coalfields is the issue you're talking about ~ not Saudi intrigue.

The redesignation can be changed and the coal thrown open to mining.

I'd prefer just giving the whole place to Utah.

16 posted on 03/28/2010 8:08:52 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: george76; 1Old Pro; aardvark1; a_federalist; abner; alaskanfan; alloysteel; alfons; Always Right; ..

Land rights ping!


17 posted on 03/28/2010 8:10:41 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: muawiyah

Illinois has enough coal and the right type of coal to create more coal diesel than the Saudis have in oil.


18 posted on 03/28/2010 8:11:54 PM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain called AMERICANS against amnesty - "racists")
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To: Frantzie

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We need Nevada on board on this. - What the fed gov has done to Nevada is obscene.


19 posted on 03/28/2010 8:13:42 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: george76

go utah


20 posted on 03/28/2010 8:15:57 PM PDT by phockthis
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To: muawiyah

Growing marijuana and such is rampant on Federal land...I understand a good bit of it is done by illegal aliens.


21 posted on 03/28/2010 8:16:52 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: editor-surveyor

BUMP and thanks for the ping editor-surveyor


22 posted on 03/28/2010 8:17:26 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: george76

GO UTAH... KICK SOME FEDERAL BUTT!

I hope every state in the Union gang-bangs Obama, and pile drives his treasonous A$$ into insignificance!


23 posted on 03/28/2010 8:24:38 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Ping!


24 posted on 03/28/2010 8:26:55 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: tbw2

Yes... The Lippo Banking Family of Indonesia. They had bank operations in Arkansas at the time Bill Clinton was Governor. The Escalante fraud was a quid-pro-quo, involving donations from the Chinese via Indonesia. THAT IS WHY BILLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPEACHED, not for perjury about his affair with Monica Lewinsky. That and his selling of our missile technology and nuclear warhead secrets to China!


25 posted on 03/28/2010 8:32:14 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !)
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz

Clinton did a seizure of the lands just before he left office IIRC


26 posted on 03/28/2010 8:45:33 PM PDT by Chickensoup (We have the government we deserve. Is our government our traitor?)
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To: george76
1.Nevada 84.5%
2.Alaska 69.1%
3.Utah 57.4%
4.Oregon 53.1%
5.Idaho 50.2%
6.Arizona 48.1%
7.California 45.3%
8.Wyoming 42.3%
9.New Mexico 41.8%
10.Colorado 36.6%
27 posted on 03/28/2010 8:58:31 PM PDT by redhead (ROC & ROLL: Restore Our Constitution--Restore Our Lost Liberties! --Gunslinger)
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George, you’d hear my cries of glory all the way at your house if Alaska did this too. Few things would make me happier than seeing NPS thugs kicking rocks, south-bound, down the Alcan. I can only dream.

Its nice to see UT leading the way, and I’ll keep myself optimistic that others follow suit.


28 posted on 03/28/2010 9:01:53 PM PDT by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: redhead

Just barely beat me, guess great minds think alike:-)

When I read this, it was such a nice relief from the pain of finishing my taxes. Just what I needed to lift my spirits! Keeping my fingers crossed.


29 posted on 03/28/2010 9:03:46 PM PDT by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: george76

I’d be all for this if they weren’t going to squander the money on Government Child Imprisonment and Abuse Centers.


30 posted on 03/28/2010 9:04:14 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: editor-surveyor
What the fed gov has done to Nevada is obscene.

Check out the book 'Land Gone Lonesome' by Dan Oneil sometime. It covers a lot of land-use/grab issues on the Yukon River following Carter's ANILCA land-grab.
31 posted on 03/28/2010 9:06:22 PM PDT by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: george76
Thanks George.....I remember the brouhaha when Clinton shut down coal mining on the Kaiparowits Plateau; wanted to make it a national park. Did that ever happen?

Or was it just a payback to the Lippo Group..
32 posted on 03/28/2010 9:12:33 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Thanks for the Ping!


33 posted on 03/28/2010 9:18:40 PM PDT by Issaquahking (Help Sarah Palin! go to - http://www.conservatives4palin.com - You know what to do!)
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To: editor-surveyor
"What the fed gov has done to Nevada is obscene."

Probably, but it's little more than the federal colonies grabbed off in CA. The entire Lake Tahoe Basin is one such colony ripped out of the eastern ends of Placer, eldorado and one or two counties in NV.

The degree of unconstitutional land tyranny in that part of America is exceeded only in the Yosemite federal colony to the south. Thomas Jefferson expressed it best when he wrote, "and states shall be further divided into counties, each to govern what lies within their bounds."

In our post constitutional government run by a post constitutional CONgress, it's become a given that they will trample, transgress and trespass against not only states rights, but counties as well, while our post constitutional POTUS cheers them on!!!

Crushing the local governments closest to the people for fear they might allow done what local poeple want done is simply unconstitutional tryanny instead of liberty!!!

34 posted on 03/28/2010 9:20:51 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("Contempt of Congress" used to be a minor crime. Now it's a badge of honor!!!)
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To: proud_yank; george76; Issaquahking; AuntB; Grampa Dave; BOBTHENAILER; marsh2; tubebender; ...

Too bad AK didn’t collect it’s collective wits fast enough when another Deemonicrat POTUS, Jimmy Carter used his pen to rape AK!!! Between Carter, Clinton and now numbnuts, we’ve gotta git this stuff stopped in some permanent way. But it’s hard when they just sit there ginnin and pissin on on the sacred constitution of this vast bastion of good land and good people!!!


35 posted on 03/28/2010 9:29:48 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("Contempt of Congress" used to be a minor crime. Now it's a badge of honor!!!)
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To: proud_yank

It is good to see some push back against the socialists greenies.


36 posted on 03/28/2010 9:32:25 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Frantzie
UT would be one of the wealthiest countries in the world with just teh clean coal.

Perhaps. I'm still waiting for someone to point out the existing transportation and power infrastructure that would enable recovery and delivery of this coal, let alone the optimum mining methods.

This was available for a long time; nobody with the expertise felt it was worth reaching into their wallets to pay for it.

37 posted on 03/28/2010 9:33:23 PM PDT by kitchen (One battle rifle for each person, and a spare for each pair.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

As a proud Utahn, I have to agree with you on the child prisons, however, this will free up the rest of the state’s income to better address our infrastructure and industry. You rock, Governor Herbert!


38 posted on 03/28/2010 9:33:32 PM PDT by glock rocks (Don't turn away now darling, let's fire it up and wind it out. - Suzy Bogguss)
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To: george76

Where in the Constitution does it allow for the federal gov’t to take 60% of a states land with no say so from the states?


39 posted on 03/28/2010 9:36:45 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: 17th Miss Regt; 2001convSVT; 2ndDivisionVet; A_Former_Democrat; A_Tradition_Continues; ...
Thanks Army Air Corps! One wonders if the author's comment re the odds of winning "against long odds" is wishful thinking???

Utah to federales: GAME ON!





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40 posted on 03/28/2010 9:38:17 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have just two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: kitchen

They are called trains. Huge ones transport coal from Wyoming. I am tired of my money being sent to Saudi Arabia so they can buy the white hut for $700 million.


41 posted on 03/28/2010 9:38:54 PM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain called AMERICANS against amnesty - "racists")
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To: Frantzie
How many miles of track for that spur? What's the cost per mile? Who is standing in line with the funds?
42 posted on 03/28/2010 9:41:49 PM PDT by kitchen (One battle rifle for each person, and a spare for each pair.)
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To: redhead

1.Nevada 84.5%
2.Alaska 69.1%
3.Utah 57.4%
4.Oregon 53.1%
5.Idaho 50.2%
6.Arizona 48.1%
7.California 45.3%
8.Wyoming 42.3%
9.New Mexico 41.8%
10.Colorado 36.6%
- - - - - -

Truly outrafeous.

GOOD on UTAH!


43 posted on 03/28/2010 9:42:51 PM PDT by onyx (Facts don't matter. Proof not required. Anything goes! Racial slurs, death threats.....)
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To: onyx

Also truly OUTRAGEOUS!


44 posted on 03/28/2010 9:43:17 PM PDT by onyx (Facts don't matter. Proof not required. Anything goes! Racial slurs, death threats.....)
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To: TCH

Yes... The Lippo Banking Family of Indonesia. They had bank operations in Arkansas at the time Bill Clinton was Governor. The Escalante fraud was a quid-pro-quo, involving donations from the Chinese via Indonesia. THAT IS WHY BILLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPEACHED, not for perjury about his affair with Monica Lewinsky. That and his selling of our missile technology and nuclear warhead secrets to China!


Right on the money. No pun intended.


45 posted on 03/28/2010 9:43:39 PM PDT by unkus
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To: BIGLOOK

Bubba got his usual cash as mentioned above.

The coal mine then became the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument. The 60 billion plus tons of coal is still there-the largest deposit of compliance coal in the United States.

Perhaps future generations ( hopefully Americans ) will find it useful.


46 posted on 03/28/2010 9:44:47 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: redhead
Notice the only state west of the Rockies not listed (that are attached to North American land mass)is Washington? They are so liberal (and socialist indoctrinated) on the wet side, that they are not "a threat" to what Obama and his minion's are up to.

Washington is 30.5%

Notice on the other sideof the coin that Obozo's state is held mostly by the mob?

 Notable is that all these states are in the West (except Alaska, which strictly speaking is also a western state, albeit northwestern). Also notable is the contrast between the highest and the lowest percentages of federal land ownership. The US government owns a whopping 84.5% of Nevada, but only a puny 0.4% of Rhode Island and Connecticut. The lowest-percentage states are mainly in the East, but some are also in the Midwest and in the South:

  1. Connecticut  0.4%
  2. Rhode Island 0.4%
  3. Iowa  0.8%
  4. New York  0.8%
  5. Maine 1.1%
  6. Kansas  1.2%
  7. Nebraska1.4%
  8. Alabama 1.6%
  9. Ohio 1.7%
  10. Illinois  1.8%

47 posted on 03/28/2010 9:47:08 PM PDT by Issaquahking (Help Sarah Palin! go to - http://www.conservatives4palin.com - You know what to do!)
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To: SierraWasp; glock rocks
Land issues sure have gone south!

Glock, any possibility of making the TPE III in St George tomorrow?
48 posted on 03/28/2010 9:51:46 PM PDT by Issaquahking (Help Sarah Palin! go to - http://www.conservatives4palin.com - You know what to do!)
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To: proud_yank
George, you’d hear my cries of glory all the way at your house if Alaska did this too.

FWIW, and I don't know the particulars, but Alaska supposedly entered the union under some different circumstances than the rest of the western States. I ran across discussions on other FR threads about the problem the federales may have with the inequities, ie equal protection in a sense, between the earlier States and their admission vs the States admitted later. The later States essentially got bent over by the feral government.

49 posted on 03/28/2010 9:56:12 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have just two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: Issaquahking

I wish I could, but I’m waist deep in commitments piled on my prior commitments, and I’m sluffing work to do them as it is.


50 posted on 03/28/2010 9:58:01 PM PDT by glock rocks (Don't turn away now darling, let's fire it up and wind it out. - Suzy Bogguss)
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