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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Maybe the fallen men who make up the hierarchy of the Catholic church gave you your Scripture, but mine came directly from the Holy Spirit.

Really? Did He mail it to you, or did it fall out of the sky, or what?

Whatever the case, the Bible that the rest of the world uses was compiled by the Catholic Church beginning with the Council of Laodicea around A.D. 360.

Where the Bible came from

347 posted on 04/03/2010 1:55:26 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: B-Chan
If the Bible was "created by the Church" why does it nowhere mention the Catholic Church? Why is there no mention of a pope, a cardinal, an archbishop, a parish priest, a nun, or a member of any other Catholic order? If the Bible was "created by the Church", why is auricular confession, indulgences, prayers to the saints, adoration of Mary, veneration of relics and images, and many other rites and ceremonies of the Catholic Church, left out of it?

If the Bible was "created by the Church", how can Catholics account for the passage, "A bishop then, must be blameless, married but once, reserved, prudent, of good conduct, hospitable, a teacher...He should rule well his own household, keeping his children under control and perfectly respectful. For if a man cannot rule his own household, how is he to take care of the church of God?" (1 Tim. 3:2, 4-5). The Catholic Church does not allow a bishop to marry, while the Bible says "he must be married." Furthermore, if the Bible was "created by the Church", why did they write the Bible as it is, and feel the necessity of putting footnotes at the bottom of the page in effort to keep their subject from believing what is in the text? The Old Testament came through the Jews (God's chosen people of old) who had the holy oracles entrusted to them. Paul said, "What advantage then remains to the Jew, or what is the use of circumcision? Much in every respect. First, indeed, because the oracles of God were entrusted to them." (Rom. 3:1-2; Rom. 9:4-5; Acts 7:38).

Did the "Church" give us the Old Testament? The Old Testament books were gathered into one volume and were translated from Hebrew into Greek long before Christ came to earth. The Septuagint Version was translated by seventy scholars at Alexandria, Egypt around the year 227 B.C., and this was the version Christ and His apostles used. Christ did not tell the people, as Catholics do today, that they could accept the Scriptures only on the basis of the authority of those who gathered them and declared them to be inspired. He urged the people of His day to follow the Old Testament Scriptures as the infallible guide, not because man or any group of men has sanctioned them as such, but because they came from God.

If the Bible was "created by the Church":

God did not give any councils the authority to select His sacred books, nor does He expect men to receive His sacred books only because of councils or on the basis of councils. It takes no vote or sanction of a council to make the books of the Bible authoritative. Men were able to rightly discern which books were inspired before the existence of ecclesiastical councils and men can do so today. A council of men in 390 with no divine authority whatever, supposedly took upon itself the right to state which books were inspired, and Catholics argue, "We can accept the Bible only on the authority of the Catholic Church."

It cannot be proven that the Catholic Church is solely responsible for the gathering and selection of the New Testament books. In fact, it can be shown that the New Testament books were gathered into one volume and were in circulation long before the Catholic Church claims to have taken its action in 390 at the council of Hippo.

The New Testament books were in existence in their present form at the close of the apostolic age.

So, like I said, my Bible comes from the Holy Spirit, not the Catholic church.

348 posted on 04/03/2010 2:32:32 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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