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Indictment: Hutaree militia planned to kill law officer, attack the funeral procession
Drudge Report ^ | March 29. 2010 6:47PM | Paul Egan and Mike Wilkinson

Posted on 03/30/2010 4:42:11 AM PDT by Texas Fossil

Detroit News cannot be posted as per copyright complaint. Sorry.

Go to Drudge Report for the link to the article. It is worth the effort.

Here is the heading to search for:

Indictment: Militia members sought to 'levy war' against USA...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: christian; hutaree; indictment; militia
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Little real news came out yesterday on this, but this quote caught my eye. I smell a really stupid action by the Feds.

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"This is an example of radical and extremist fringe groups which can be found throughout our society," said Andrew Arena, FBI special agent in charge.

"The FBI takes such extremist groups seriously, especially those who would target innocent citizens and the law enforcement officers who protect the citizens of the United States."

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For a brief sketch of Andrew Arena's background with the FBI see:

Who is Andrew Arena?: Secret To Success in the FBI

December 27, 2006

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/2798/who-is-andrew-arena-secret-to-success-in-the-fbi/

"Just ask Andrew G. Arena. The new FBI Special Agent in Charge in the heart of Islamic America–Michigan–got his new job that way. One of his closest associates told Detroit Newsistan fabricator David Shepardson:

Alhamdillullah, Abu Arena Has Made the Hajj to D-Mecca

“He knows all the aspects of the community,” noting his outreach with the Muslim community in Detroit and New York.

Yup, that’s “the community” to the FBI. Not you Infidels. Just the extremist Muslims who support terrorist groups like Hezbollah and HAMAS.

And, oh yeah, Arena is a Lions and Tigers fan, too, which everyone knows makes you a great law enforcement honcho. Right?

Alhamdillullah (praise Allah), Andrew Arena is here. What’s that brown on the end of his nose?

1 posted on 03/30/2010 4:42:11 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

Interesting post. Very interesting.


2 posted on 03/30/2010 4:43:33 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (TATBO - "Throw All The Bums Out")
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To: Texas Fossil

BUMP


3 posted on 03/30/2010 4:44:36 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Texas Fossil

....good job FBI...now go take down the Muslim Jihad training camps in the US.


4 posted on 03/30/2010 4:47:30 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: Texas Fossil

I smell a setup.

Drudge had it pegged with his “Big Sis” headline.


5 posted on 03/30/2010 4:50:34 AM PDT by sauropod (Ill behaved women rarely make dinner.)
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To: STONEWALLS

Something that doesn’t look right with the picture here?? You mean it ain’t just me??


6 posted on 03/30/2010 4:59:48 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: Texas Fossil
You are allowed to at least post a direct link to the Detroit News story.
7 posted on 03/30/2010 5:03:41 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: sauropod
Drudge had it pegged with his “Big Sis” headline.

Thanks Drudge! That's a keeper.

8 posted on 03/30/2010 5:06:15 AM PDT by Theophilus
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To: wendy1946

It is that Moslems get to decide what constitutes a dangerous extremist Christian militia that must be stopped by a flashy raid.


9 posted on 03/30/2010 5:07:27 AM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: Texas Fossil
This group reminds me of Bill Ayer's (Obama's buddy) group, the Weather Underground and the bombing of police stations.

Search on these words: ayers obama weather underground precinct

Sample link:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/election/480

10 posted on 03/30/2010 5:12:26 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: Texas Fossil

This whole thing does not pass my smell test. Even now, there is a lot of discussion about what this group “intended” to do, and very little about what exactly they did to provoke this kind of response. That’s not acceptable.

If you have read the novel “Patriots”, it talks extensively about operations against Politicians, law enforcement and even the US Military. Having read that book, does that make me a “Christian extremist” as well??

If this group was training using a future potential scenario as the basis for a series of operational drills, is that a terrorist event?? There are a lot of people right here at FR who speculate about what to do if a new revolution came about, and whether local law enforcement would be friend or foe. Is that illegal too??

I smell a rat. A big fat rat, and it keeps it’s cheese at the US Justice Department. If you read these published reports with the slightest grain of salt, it is obvious that there are a lot of allegations here done up properly in nice, pretty, official sounding legalese, but in the end, exactly what did these people actually do that breaks the law?? Sedition in any form is about as serious a charge there is, so I want to know specifically and in detail what “seditious conspiracy” the FBI cooked up.

Exactly what crime was committed with a firearm? TV news is reporting this as if mere possession of firearms were the issue, but some of these people are charged with major firearms violations, and apparently committing a crime with a gun.

And I certainly need to hear a lot more about this FBI SAIC, Andrew Arena. If he has an agenda, he is in the perfect place to carry it out, and he could be a much bigger threat to the people of Michigan than any militia group is.

This gets more disturbing as it continues to develop, and I have more questions than answers now than I did over the weekend when this first broke loose...


11 posted on 03/30/2010 5:14:00 AM PDT by Bean Counter (I keeps mah feathers numbered, for just such an emergency...)
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To: Yo-Yo
You are allowed to at least post a direct link to the Detroit News story.

I tried and got an error message. Even left the block for the excerpt blank and got message that Detroit News could not be quoted per copyright complaint.

12 posted on 03/30/2010 5:17:36 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Sounds like Arena maybe a first rate rumpswab.

He takes the old adage “To get ahead you have to give head” seriously

But then that’s been bureau policy since J Edgar and Clyde.


13 posted on 03/30/2010 5:37:42 AM PDT by ninonitti
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To: Bean Counter; xzins; Travis McGee
Exactly what crime was committed with a firearm?

Apparently if you own a gun and then talk with your friends about how much you hate the government, you have committed conspiracy plus you get the 4 year add on for committing a felony while in possession of a firearm.

14 posted on 03/30/2010 5:40:43 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: LZ_Bayonet

Note to MSM, note similarities to below organization. Interview Bill Ayers, President Obama’s buddy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground_(organization)


15 posted on 03/30/2010 5:42:55 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: Texas Fossil
For this administration it won't matter if all the charges are now dropped. From the beginning the headlines screamed that they were a CHRISTIAN right wing militia. The work is done.
16 posted on 03/30/2010 5:54:34 AM PDT by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: Bean Counter

Sedition is illegal. Sedition is planning or plotting against the government. It’s illegal even if you haven’t done anything - planning is enough.


17 posted on 03/30/2010 6:08:46 AM PDT by BobMV
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To: BobMV

You’re right about that, but the burden of proof is high and actual sedition is difficult to prove because it is impossible to measure one’s “intentions”.

Only Tom Crusie fights crimes that have not occurred, and then only in a movie.


18 posted on 03/30/2010 6:21:40 AM PDT by Bean Counter (I keeps mah feathers numbered, for just such an emergency...)
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To: Bean Counter
This whole thing does not pass my smell test...

You too? I mean, what the hell is it about killing one cop (or one of anybody for that matter) which is supposed to take two years of planning??

19 posted on 03/30/2010 6:24:34 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: BobMV

So when are they going to arrest the ‘Bald Communist’?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEEtScHIC1U&feature=related


20 posted on 03/30/2010 6:28:50 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Bean Counter

You do realize Obama might be using a similar strategy?

With all the computing power of the NSA at his fingertips all he has to do is activate a program and run down a list of the most likely groups that could have a successful attempt of being an opposition.

Especially ones that could sway public opinion against his regime.


21 posted on 03/30/2010 6:33:46 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: sauropod

what does “big sis” mean?


22 posted on 03/30/2010 6:41:00 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: P-Marlowe; Bean Counter; Travis McGee; Jim Robinson; Lancey Howard; Dr. Eckleburg; pissant

FoxNews current talking head just did an interview with a “former” FBI guy on this takedown. Believe it or not, then headline on the screen read “Michigan Militia”.

Interesting since it was “Hutaree” and not “Michigan Militia” an entirely separate organization.

The Fox male talking head asked the FBI guy a few questions that inadvertently, I think, caused the shallowness of the case to come to the fore. He shifted then to evil types of organizations like this and wrapped up the interview.

The FBI guy was very uncomfortable and extremely vague in his responses. There was not one single bit of information in that entire interview that pointed to an instance of a crime that injured person or property.

In fact, and this is scary, the fbi puke (and I’m paraphrasing by memory) said that Waco taught them a lesson about alerting this kind of group so NOW they are just arresting them BEFORE THEY DO ANYTHING!

PRE-EMPTIVE ARRESTS! America, you are screwed.

And I’m not kidding. I don’t think I missed the meaning of what was said. I think I got it.


23 posted on 03/30/2010 6:48:52 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Girlene

should have pinged you to #23 It is response to your last post to me as well.


24 posted on 03/30/2010 6:51:24 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Well then where the hell was the FBI when Major Nidal was getting ready to go off the deep end at Fort Hood??

This is not smelling any better.


25 posted on 03/30/2010 6:52:47 AM PDT by Bean Counter (I keeps mah feathers numbered, for just such an emergency...)
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To: xzins

Big brother referance with gender neutral overtones


26 posted on 03/30/2010 6:52:58 AM PDT by maine yankee
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To: xzins

Welcome to the USSA, comrade. Get used to it.


27 posted on 03/30/2010 6:53:15 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: xzins

One man’s sound planning is another man’s evil conspiracy.

You can indict a ham sandwich for having no mustard, but convicting it of conspiring with the mayonnaise is another matter entirely...


28 posted on 03/30/2010 6:54:20 AM PDT by Bean Counter (I keeps mah feathers numbered, for just such an emergency...)
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To: Texas Fossil
Levying war against our currently unConstitutional government is one thing. This "indictment" sounds like BS. Smells like a set up.

This is meant to silence opposition. The spin is in...

Does anyone else have contingency plans in place? Did you tell anyone else about them? Did you maybe get together and do some war gaming with friends?

YOU ARE NEXT ON THEIR LIST.

Bank on it.

29 posted on 03/30/2010 6:57:17 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: xzins
In fact, and this is scary, the fbi puke (and I’m paraphrasing by memory) said that Waco taught them a lesson about alerting this kind of group so NOW they are just arresting them BEFORE THEY DO ANYTHING!

Welcome to a Brave New World comrade.

30 posted on 03/30/2010 6:59:15 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: Dead Corpse
I guess there is a chance that The Waco Barbecue may have been a bit embarrassing to the FBI. Reno, Clinton and Co. on the other hand..... I will never forget that video.
31 posted on 03/30/2010 7:01:29 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: gathersnomoss
I remember watching it from my barracks lounge in Japan and thinking, "What the hell is my government doing? I did not enlist to protect this action, but to protect FROM it."

Stuff like this eats at a man.

32 posted on 03/30/2010 7:16:16 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: Bean Counter
You can indict a ham sandwich for having no mustard, but convicting it of conspiring with the mayonnaise is another matter entirely...

LOL! Good line.

33 posted on 03/30/2010 7:18:28 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Several of them are charged with carrying a weapon during the commission of a crime.

WHAT CRIME??!!


34 posted on 03/30/2010 7:19:48 AM PDT by Bean Counter (I keeps mah feathers numbered, for just such an emergency...)
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To: Dead Corpse

Thanks for serving.


35 posted on 03/30/2010 7:20:04 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: Bean Counter

I read the entire indictment yesterday and there is no evidence in it of a single injury to person or property.

It is all “by interpretation of law” kind of stuff.

I’m really curious when we’re going to hear what was actually DONE by these people.


36 posted on 03/30/2010 7:24:11 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: gathersnomoss
Not to be rude, but that doesn't help. We did our job then, but what are we doing now that deserves "thanks"?

I've recently "found" a bunch of the guys I served with. We're all pretty much of the same mind.

This government is off the rails. They have become the "domestic" enemy we swore to protect against.

We feel powerless. We feel like cowards. We have no idea what to do next.

Most people continue to council, "Wait until after this falls elections." Or, "We still have the Courts to work this through..."

In the meantime, they are piling it on faster and faster while their complicit lapdogs in the media demonize us daily.

... and the whole Country takes one more swirl 'round the toilet bowl.

37 posted on 03/30/2010 7:37:02 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: xzins
The indictment is all "pre-crime".

If this logic makes it through the courts, all men could be convicted of being rapists simply by the dint of being men.

Sound like hyperbole? Did you ever think the commies would take over our Country without a shot being fired?

38 posted on 03/30/2010 7:38:31 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: Bean Counter
WHAT CRIME??!!

Thought crimes!

39 posted on 03/30/2010 7:40:33 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Texas Fossil

Thanks for the post

**** UPDATE, 12/28/06: The Christian Science Monitor has even more disturbing news about Andrew G. Arena. It appears that just a month ago, with the New York FBI, he was trying to change American popular opinion about Islam. Is he a federal law enforcement official or a dhimmi change agent for jihad? Hard to tell:

The FBI found many such misperceptions about Islam among its agents as well, according to Andrew Arena, the special agent in charge of the New York FBI office. And so, as the bureau began a concentrated effort to reach out to the Muslim community, education became one of its first priorities. At the FBI Academy and in ongoing field training, agents are now taught about the Muslim faith – its basic tenets and things like the difference between Shiites and Sunnis.
“It’s helped to make our agents more culturally sensitive to the concerns of not only the Muslim community, but all of the communities that we deal with,” says Mr. Arena.

Andrew Arena–sent to Detroit by the FBI NOT to investigate Islamic terrorism, but to help change our perceptions about its operatives. No wonder we are losing the war on terror.


40 posted on 03/30/2010 7:41:12 AM PDT by Ladycalif ("If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Jesus)
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To: Ladycalif
Andrew Arena–sent to Detroit by the FBI NOT to investigate Islamic terrorism, but to help change our perceptions about its operatives. No wonder we are losing the war on terror.

Well, his boss is a Muslem.

41 posted on 03/30/2010 7:44:29 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Dead Corpse

The “Tea Party” movement has, as of this moment, done nothing that’s the equivalent of the 76ers dumping tea in the harbor. That was an act of civil disobedience with a bullet. It wasn’t merely the opposing of an onerous law, but it was the violation of a law through deliberate act.

It violated onerous law.

It physically injured no one.

It financially injured some.

It directly attacked the onerous law in that it injured crown revenue/taxation.

What would be the equivalent in our day?

I don’t know.


42 posted on 03/30/2010 7:44:30 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: MileHi; EternalVigilance

I thought they were plotting against Muslims. Now they are plotting against cops? What happened to the Muslims?

Maybe they vanished with the three other guys that were at the murder of Border Agent Rosas? They disappeared too.


43 posted on 03/30/2010 7:48:36 AM PDT by Ladycalif ("If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Jesus)
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To: xzins

Thanks for the info, xzins. According to the article on Drudge this am, it indicated that there were plans for sometime in April. Was there any reference to this time-frame and specific plans in the indictment and what they were based on? Something smells quite fishy about these arrests.


44 posted on 03/30/2010 8:23:09 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: xzins
It violated onerous law. It physically injured no one. It financially injured some. It directly attacked the onerous law in that it injured crown revenue/taxation. What would be the equivalent in our day?

En masse, refusing to get health insurance and publicly refusing to pay any fine.

45 posted on 03/30/2010 8:28:32 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Lazamataz

That is an excellent idea, Laz.


46 posted on 03/30/2010 8:38:52 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Girlene

Yes, the indictment contained a date (April 24?) at which something was supposed to happen. But, it was written in such a way that one had no doubt that the writer was carefully interpreting something a particular way.


47 posted on 03/30/2010 8:41:29 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; wmfights; RnMomof7; 1000 silverlings; ...
In fact, and this is scary, the fbi puke (and I’m paraphrasing by memory) said that Waco taught them a lesson about alerting this kind of group so NOW they are just arresting them BEFORE THEY DO ANYTHING!

Unimaginable. And now reality.

Some conservative think tank had better throw a lot of money defending these guys so the courts can come down hard on this type of fascist repression.

If the courts still exist by then.

48 posted on 03/30/2010 8:48:04 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; wmfights; RnMomof7; ...

If nothing else, that interview was evidence that no act had been committed prior to their arrest.

Now, would I prefer that we had caught the 9/11 terrorists while they were at the airport and prosecuted them for their conspiracy that culminated in 9/11?

Sure.

However, pre-emptive arresting should occur when the suspected plot is in progress. It shouldn’t be based on conversations that camo dressed men have over a beer. It shouldn’t even be based on angry writings or postings.

One should be “in the act.”


49 posted on 03/30/2010 8:54:35 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

I just quickly read through the indictment. It says there was a reconnaisance exercise planned for sometime in April, 2010. It doesn’t really say what the reconnaisance was to accomplish that I could tell. I’m wondering that by filing the sedition charges, then the use of firearms during any training (assuming it was for sedition) can be considered illegal. Otherwise, these where a few guys training/practicing with legal firearms.


50 posted on 03/30/2010 9:14:56 AM PDT by Girlene
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