Skip to comments.Indictment: Hutaree militia planned to kill law officer, attack the funeral procession
Posted on 03/30/2010 4:42:11 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
Detroit News cannot be posted as per copyright complaint. Sorry.
Go to Drudge Report for the link to the article. It is worth the effort.
Here is the heading to search for:
Indictment: Militia members sought to 'levy war' against USA...
"This is an example of radical and extremist fringe groups which can be found throughout our society," said Andrew Arena, FBI special agent in charge.
"The FBI takes such extremist groups seriously, especially those who would target innocent citizens and the law enforcement officers who protect the citizens of the United States."
For a brief sketch of Andrew Arena's background with the FBI see:
Who is Andrew Arena?: Secret To Success in the FBI
December 27, 2006
"Just ask Andrew G. Arena. The new FBI Special Agent in Charge in the heart of Islamic AmericaMichigangot his new job that way. One of his closest associates told Detroit Newsistan fabricator David Shepardson:
Alhamdillullah, Abu Arena Has Made the Hajj to D-Mecca
He knows all the aspects of the community, noting his outreach with the Muslim community in Detroit and New York.
Yup, thats the community to the FBI. Not you Infidels. Just the extremist Muslims who support terrorist groups like Hezbollah and HAMAS.
And, oh yeah, Arena is a Lions and Tigers fan, too, which everyone knows makes you a great law enforcement honcho. Right?
Alhamdillullah (praise Allah), Andrew Arena is here. Whats that brown on the end of his nose?
Interesting post. Very interesting.
....good job FBI...now go take down the Muslim Jihad training camps in the US.
I smell a setup.
Drudge had it pegged with his “Big Sis” headline.
Something that doesn’t look right with the picture here?? You mean it ain’t just me??
Thanks Drudge! That's a keeper.
It is that Moslems get to decide what constitutes a dangerous extremist Christian militia that must be stopped by a flashy raid.
Search on these words: ayers obama weather underground precinct
This whole thing does not pass my smell test. Even now, there is a lot of discussion about what this group “intended” to do, and very little about what exactly they did to provoke this kind of response. That’s not acceptable.
If you have read the novel “Patriots”, it talks extensively about operations against Politicians, law enforcement and even the US Military. Having read that book, does that make me a “Christian extremist” as well??
If this group was training using a future potential scenario as the basis for a series of operational drills, is that a terrorist event?? There are a lot of people right here at FR who speculate about what to do if a new revolution came about, and whether local law enforcement would be friend or foe. Is that illegal too??
I smell a rat. A big fat rat, and it keeps it’s cheese at the US Justice Department. If you read these published reports with the slightest grain of salt, it is obvious that there are a lot of allegations here done up properly in nice, pretty, official sounding legalese, but in the end, exactly what did these people actually do that breaks the law?? Sedition in any form is about as serious a charge there is, so I want to know specifically and in detail what “seditious conspiracy” the FBI cooked up.
Exactly what crime was committed with a firearm? TV news is reporting this as if mere possession of firearms were the issue, but some of these people are charged with major firearms violations, and apparently committing a crime with a gun.
And I certainly need to hear a lot more about this FBI SAIC, Andrew Arena. If he has an agenda, he is in the perfect place to carry it out, and he could be a much bigger threat to the people of Michigan than any militia group is.
This gets more disturbing as it continues to develop, and I have more questions than answers now than I did over the weekend when this first broke loose...
I tried and got an error message. Even left the block for the excerpt blank and got message that Detroit News could not be quoted per copyright complaint.
Sounds like Arena maybe a first rate rumpswab.
He takes the old adage “To get ahead you have to give head” seriously
But then that’s been bureau policy since J Edgar and Clyde.
Apparently if you own a gun and then talk with your friends about how much you hate the government, you have committed conspiracy plus you get the 4 year add on for committing a felony while in possession of a firearm.
Note to MSM, note similarities to below organization. Interview Bill Ayers, President Obama’s buddy.
Sedition is illegal. Sedition is planning or plotting against the government. It’s illegal even if you haven’t done anything - planning is enough.
You’re right about that, but the burden of proof is high and actual sedition is difficult to prove because it is impossible to measure one’s “intentions”.
Only Tom Crusie fights crimes that have not occurred, and then only in a movie.
You too? I mean, what the hell is it about killing one cop (or one of anybody for that matter) which is supposed to take two years of planning??
So when are they going to arrest the ‘Bald Communist’?
You do realize Obama might be using a similar strategy?
With all the computing power of the NSA at his fingertips all he has to do is activate a program and run down a list of the most likely groups that could have a successful attempt of being an opposition.
Especially ones that could sway public opinion against his regime.
what does “big sis” mean?
FoxNews current talking head just did an interview with a “former” FBI guy on this takedown. Believe it or not, then headline on the screen read “Michigan Militia”.
Interesting since it was “Hutaree” and not “Michigan Militia” an entirely separate organization.
The Fox male talking head asked the FBI guy a few questions that inadvertently, I think, caused the shallowness of the case to come to the fore. He shifted then to evil types of organizations like this and wrapped up the interview.
The FBI guy was very uncomfortable and extremely vague in his responses. There was not one single bit of information in that entire interview that pointed to an instance of a crime that injured person or property.
In fact, and this is scary, the fbi puke (and I’m paraphrasing by memory) said that Waco taught them a lesson about alerting this kind of group so NOW they are just arresting them BEFORE THEY DO ANYTHING!
PRE-EMPTIVE ARRESTS! America, you are screwed.
And I’m not kidding. I don’t think I missed the meaning of what was said. I think I got it.
should have pinged you to #23 It is response to your last post to me as well.
Well then where the hell was the FBI when Major Nidal was getting ready to go off the deep end at Fort Hood??
This is not smelling any better.
Big brother referance with gender neutral overtones
Welcome to the USSA, comrade. Get used to it.
One mans sound planning is another mans evil conspiracy.
You can indict a ham sandwich for having no mustard, but convicting it of conspiring with the mayonnaise is another matter entirely...
This is meant to silence opposition. The spin is in...
Does anyone else have contingency plans in place? Did you tell anyone else about them? Did you maybe get together and do some war gaming with friends?
YOU ARE NEXT ON THEIR LIST.
Bank on it.
Welcome to a Brave New World comrade.
Stuff like this eats at a man.
LOL! Good line.
Several of them are charged with carrying a weapon during the commission of a crime.
Thanks for serving.
I read the entire indictment yesterday and there is no evidence in it of a single injury to person or property.
It is all “by interpretation of law” kind of stuff.
I’m really curious when we’re going to hear what was actually DONE by these people.
I've recently "found" a bunch of the guys I served with. We're all pretty much of the same mind.
This government is off the rails. They have become the "domestic" enemy we swore to protect against.
We feel powerless. We feel like cowards. We have no idea what to do next.
Most people continue to council, "Wait until after this falls elections." Or, "We still have the Courts to work this through..."
In the meantime, they are piling it on faster and faster while their complicit lapdogs in the media demonize us daily.
... and the whole Country takes one more swirl 'round the toilet bowl.
If this logic makes it through the courts, all men could be convicted of being rapists simply by the dint of being men.
Sound like hyperbole? Did you ever think the commies would take over our Country without a shot being fired?
Thanks for the post
**** UPDATE, 12/28/06: The Christian Science Monitor has even more disturbing news about Andrew G. Arena. It appears that just a month ago, with the New York FBI, he was trying to change American popular opinion about Islam. Is he a federal law enforcement official or a dhimmi change agent for jihad? Hard to tell:
The FBI found many such misperceptions about Islam among its agents as well, according to Andrew Arena, the special agent in charge of the New York FBI office. And so, as the bureau began a concentrated effort to reach out to the Muslim community, education became one of its first priorities. At the FBI Academy and in ongoing field training, agents are now taught about the Muslim faith its basic tenets and things like the difference between Shiites and Sunnis.
Its helped to make our agents more culturally sensitive to the concerns of not only the Muslim community, but all of the communities that we deal with, says Mr. Arena.
Andrew Arenasent to Detroit by the FBI NOT to investigate Islamic terrorism, but to help change our perceptions about its operatives. No wonder we are losing the war on terror.
Well, his boss is a Muslem.
The “Tea Party” movement has, as of this moment, done nothing that’s the equivalent of the 76ers dumping tea in the harbor. That was an act of civil disobedience with a bullet. It wasn’t merely the opposing of an onerous law, but it was the violation of a law through deliberate act.
It violated onerous law.
It physically injured no one.
It financially injured some.
It directly attacked the onerous law in that it injured crown revenue/taxation.
What would be the equivalent in our day?
I don’t know.
I thought they were plotting against Muslims. Now they are plotting against cops? What happened to the Muslims?
Maybe they vanished with the three other guys that were at the murder of Border Agent Rosas? They disappeared too.
Thanks for the info, xzins. According to the article on Drudge this am, it indicated that there were plans for sometime in April. Was there any reference to this time-frame and specific plans in the indictment and what they were based on? Something smells quite fishy about these arrests.
En masse, refusing to get health insurance and publicly refusing to pay any fine.
That is an excellent idea, Laz.
Yes, the indictment contained a date (April 24?) at which something was supposed to happen. But, it was written in such a way that one had no doubt that the writer was carefully interpreting something a particular way.
Unimaginable. And now reality.
Some conservative think tank had better throw a lot of money defending these guys so the courts can come down hard on this type of fascist repression.
If the courts still exist by then.
If nothing else, that interview was evidence that no act had been committed prior to their arrest.
Now, would I prefer that we had caught the 9/11 terrorists while they were at the airport and prosecuted them for their conspiracy that culminated in 9/11?
However, pre-emptive arresting should occur when the suspected plot is in progress. It shouldn’t be based on conversations that camo dressed men have over a beer. It shouldn’t even be based on angry writings or postings.
One should be “in the act.”
I just quickly read through the indictment. It says there was a reconnaisance exercise planned for sometime in April, 2010. It doesn’t really say what the reconnaisance was to accomplish that I could tell. I’m wondering that by filing the sedition charges, then the use of firearms during any training (assuming it was for sedition) can be considered illegal. Otherwise, these where a few guys training/practicing with legal firearms.