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Timing on Hutaree Raid Troubling
PipeLineNews.org LLC ^ | March 29, 2010 | PLN Staff

Posted on 03/30/2010 7:17:56 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic

Timing on Hutaree Raid Troubling - Is this the long anticipated beginning of Obama stifling "right wing" dissent?

March 29, 2010 - San Francisco, CA - PipeLineNews.org - In this administration nothing happens by accident, at least at the public relations level and DOJ's widely reported raid this last weekend on a group with extremely limited previous public visibility [the Hutaree, a tiny Michigan based group] might well be similarly tainted.

The defendants, David Brian Stone, David Brian Stone Jr., Joshua Matthew Stone, Tina Mae Stone, Joshua John Clough, Michael David Meeks, Thomas William Piatek, Kristopher T. Sickes and Jacob J. Ward, were variously named in a previously sealed indictment go here, Federal indictment Hutaree on 5 counts, including seditious conspiracy [USC 2384], attempt to use weapons of mass destruction [USC 2332], teaching and/or demonstrating the use of explosive devices [USC 842(p)(2)] and two counts of carrying or possessing a weapon during commission of a crime of violence [USC 924 (c)(1)].

Though the charges against this group might well turn out to be sustainable and the threat they posed great and imminent, the mere fact of the timing of this raid is troubling, coming in the immediate wake of a sustained attempt by Democrat politicians to characterize opponents of the Obama agenda as violent right-wing Christian racists, to the extent of having Democrat politicians charge - absent any proof - that they have been victimized - spat upon, subjected to the "n" word and other indignities - by the Tea Partiers [it goes without saying that Dem stunts such as Nancy Pelosi's grand march, gavel in hand, past protesters last week at the Capital were intended to provoke responses which could then be amplified by the MSM].

Helping set the scene, unofficial WH spokes-tard Frank Rich [a former drama critic] chimed in conspiratorially and in hushed tones, writing in the NY Times, "...to find a prototype for the overheated reaction to the health care bill, you have to look a year before Medicare, to the Civil Rights Act of 1964...If Obama's first legislative priority had been immigration or financial reform or climate change, we would have seen the same trajectory. The conjunction of a black president and a female speaker of the House - topped off by a wise Latina on the Supreme Court and a powerful gay Congressional committee chairman - would sow fears of disenfranchisement among a dwindling and threatened minority in the country no matter what policies were in play. It's not happenstance that Frank, Lewis and Cleaver - none of them major Democratic players in the health care push - received a major share of last weekend's abuse. When you hear demonstrators chant the slogan 'Take our country back!,' these are the people they want to take the country back from."

Adding fuel to this phony cellophane fire another of the usual suspects, the race whores at Southern Poverty Law Center issued [see, Rage on the Right, http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/spring/rage-on-the-right] a "report" which quoted Chip Berlet [a lefty whack job] as saying, "We are in the midst of one of the most significant right-wing populist rebellions in United States history...We see around us a series of overlapping social and political movements populated by people [who are] angry, resentful, and full of anxiety..."

In a March 24 interview with Boston Public Radio WBUR [see, When Right-Wing Extremism Moves Mainstream, http://www.wbur.org/npr/124906766] SPLC's "director of publications and information," Mark Potok stated as if on cue, "I think it's very clear that you see ideas coming out of all kinds of sectors of the radical right, from the immigrant radical right, from the so-called Patriot groups, the militias and so on - and you see it spreading right across the landscape at some of these Tea Party events...I think it's worth saying that much of this is aided and abetted by ostensibly mainstream politicians and media members...I think a lot of these ideas start on the radical right, but they are also being flogged endlessly by Republican officials...Even those who are sort of considered [to be] responsible Republicans have completely abstained from any kind of criticism of this talk. So even way back when, when Sarah Palin was talking about Obama setting up death panels and so on - what we heard was a deafening silence from the mainstream of the Republican Party." [source, http://www.wbur.org/npr/124906766] As Discover the Networks points out about SPLC, "In 1996, USA Today called SPLC, with its $68 million in assets, "the nation's richest civil rights organization." By the end of fiscal year 2003, SPLC's endowment totaled $120.6 million. Morris Dees raised eyebrows in the 1990s when he told an interviewer, "I learned everything I know about hustling from the Baptist Church. Spending Sundays on those hard benches listening to the preacher pitch salvation - why, it was like getting a Ph.D. in selling." [source, http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/splcworldview.html]

Demonstrative of the use to which the Hutaree indictment and the general rabble-rousing around spurious allegations can be put, are the stealth jihadists at the Council on American Islamic Relations [CAIR. named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the United States largest Hamas terror prosecution, U.S. vs. Holy Land Foundation, et al.], "Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council on Islamic-American Relations of Michigan, made an announcement Sunday during the group's 10th anniversary banquet about receiving a call from a network journalist about the alleged threat against Muslims..." [source, http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2011468492_militia29.html]

For the record regarding this allegation, Gina Belaya, a spokeswoman for the federal prosecutors' office in Detroit, when contacted this afternoon by PipeLineNews.org, categorically denied any knowledge that the Hutaree group had targeted Muslims, stating that in the DOJ's opinion, "the government," was Hutaree's perceived enemy.

In the sphere of DC politics and ratcheting up the gambit more than a bit, Henry Waxman [chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee] acting as grand inquisitor, last week demanded that AT&T, Verizon, Caterpillar, and Deere & Co. justify their claims about the "costs the companies plan to book related to the new health-care law," clearly delineating a hard-line, zero tolerance policy regarding criticism of team Obama.

Given the foregoing, it seems that this administration and its allies are purposely targeting its critics in a manner which it hopes will demean them as fringe players, thus stoking the poisonous whisper campaign that the Tea Party movement and other critics of Obama's policies represent a fundamental and violent threat to the United States.

Thus we have been given a glimpse into a brave new world in modern day American politics, one in which dissent becomes conflated with violence at the topmost levels of government. If the first 14 months of this administration seemed a challenge for the conservative majority, Obama's intolerance of any level of criticism will make the remainder of the term memorable on several fronts.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: bhodoj; dissent; doj; holder; hutaree; obama; splc
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At very best the timing of this raid is troubling, a lot going on here that remains to be pieced together.
1 posted on 03/30/2010 7:17:57 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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Looks like the link to the indictment didnt take, must have screwed it up, here it is, sorry. Hutaree Indictment here
2 posted on 03/30/2010 7:19:43 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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The defendants, David Brian Stone, David Brian Stone Jr., Joshua Matthew Stone, Tina Mae Stone, Joshua John Clough, Michael David Meeks, Thomas William Piatek, Kristopher T. Sickes and Jacob J. Ward, were variously named in a previously sealed indictment go here, Federal indictment Hutaree on 5 counts, including seditious conspiracy [USC 2384], attempt to use weapons of mass destruction [USC 2332], teaching and/or demonstrating the use of explosive devices [USC 842(p)(2)] and two counts of carrying or possessing a weapon during commission of a crime of violence [USC 924 (c)(1)].

What crime of violence was actually committed in possession of a firearm??


3 posted on 03/30/2010 7:21:50 AM PDT by Bean Counter (I keeps mah feathers numbered, for just such an emergency...)
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The Dems want to create a right-wing bogey man in time for the November elections, and we won’t find out this was all smoke and mirrors until after the vote. Expect footage of this arrest to show up in DNC ads this fall.


4 posted on 03/30/2010 7:22:59 AM PDT by littleharbour
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To: johnqueuepublic

I’m still waiting for CNN to run a story of LaLooney being arrested for threatening Eric Cantor. Maybe his own video footage of his hateful rants requires more of an attention span than guys in fatigues and SWAT teams in tanks.


5 posted on 03/30/2010 7:24:32 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: johnqueuepublic

Maybe ozero want’s to outdo klintoon. He want’s his own Waco.


6 posted on 03/30/2010 7:25:54 AM PDT by Texas resident (Outlaw fisherman)
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Oh, he won’t be satisfied with just that.

Think “camps” for “dissidents”.


7 posted on 03/30/2010 7:26:36 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: johnqueuepublic

Yes, this needs to be investigated.

In the meantime the response we need to give is to use Obama’s own weapon against him. The response that should be given:

These people are terrible - awful, America-hating people. Talking about killing cops and specifically aiming for large casualties. They’re enemies to this nation. We have to get rid of crazies like this. You know who they remind me of? Bill Ayers. Hey, by the way, did you see that Bill Ayers shows up many times on the White House visitor logs that Obama wanted to keep hidden...


8 posted on 03/30/2010 7:26:38 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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Maybe the timing was because the group was planning to kill some law enforcement officers in April and then kill more at the funerals?


9 posted on 03/30/2010 7:27:17 AM PDT by mono
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I certainly hope that no one here attempts to defend these dirtbags. It's pretty obvious the government either has inserted someone into this group or one of the members was turned. My guess is that, if the charging papers are correct, the initial attack on law enforcement would fall on or about April 19, and that was the subject of the February 20 meeting. If that is the case, there is nothing suspicious about the timing of the arrests.
10 posted on 03/30/2010 7:28:05 AM PDT by stormer
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Here's how the AP describes this event and this group, as 'dangerous right-wing Christian extremists.' And maybe they won't say whether they found any explosives because they didn't?

Seven men and one woman believed to be part of the Michigan-based group Hutaree were arrested this past weekend in raids in Michigan, Indiana and Ohio, and another was still being sought.

FBI agents moved quickly against Hutaree because its members were planning an attack in April, prosecutors said. Authorities seized guns but would not say whether they found any explosives.

Attorney General Eric Holder said the arrests dealt "a severe blow to a dangerous organization that today stands accused of conspiring to levy war against the United States."

Authorities said the arrests underscored the dangers of homegrown right-wing extremism of the sort seen in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing that killed 168 people.

11 posted on 03/30/2010 7:31:08 AM PDT by JustaCowgirl (Fred Thompson said Obama is treating terrorists "as if they robbed a liquor store.")
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Maybe the timing was because the group was planning to kill some law enforcement officers in April and then kill more at the funerals?

You forgot the word "allegedly".

12 posted on 03/30/2010 7:32:36 AM PDT by softwarecreator (No more excuses ... we need to take our country back. Now.)
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Maybe the timing was because the group was planning to kill some law enforcement officers in April and then kill more at the funerals?

Could it have been a government infiltrator who suggested or coerced the plan and April date, in order to achieve the appropriate timing? I don't know, but hopefully the facts will come out eventually.
13 posted on 03/30/2010 7:32:44 AM PDT by ZX12R
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All Obama has to do is run around the country right up until the election busting any group he thinks is a white Christian terrorist threat. Look at all the media coverage he’ll get. “Another white Christian militia group was arrested today...”

I’m sure he’s just laying the ground work to go after the Tea Party members and internet sites like F.R!


14 posted on 03/30/2010 7:33:01 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Bean Counter

Probably USC 2332, attempt to use weapons of mass destruction.


15 posted on 03/30/2010 7:34:23 AM PDT by stormer
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To: johnqueuepublic

Just when was this cop killing ‘incident’ suppose to happen? ...was it after their Anti-Christ takes over in some future event? The MSM makes it sound like it was imminent, but the time frame and circumstances for the scenario are missing. Minority Report thought crime terrorists?


16 posted on 03/30/2010 7:34:29 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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Why would the POTUS, a Black Muslim Marxist, do such a thing to white citizens of this country?

Never mind, just being paranoid....

As you were Barry.


17 posted on 03/30/2010 7:35:50 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: johnqueuepublic
Obama and Holder are conducting a campaign to criminalize political dissent. And any dissent is "politically incorrect!"

Eff him! Like the pretender said the other day. " BRING IT ON!"

18 posted on 03/30/2010 7:36:48 AM PDT by Candor7 (Now's the time to ante upagainst the Obama Fascist Junta ( member NRA))
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To: stormer

Couldnt agree more on the point regarding Hutaree’s potential for criminality

From the article, “Though the charges against this group might well turn out to be sustainable and the threat they posed great and imminent, the mere fact of the timing of this raid is troubling...”

Our question at base level refers to timing, there are a zillion groups out there including hard line Muslim groups who are carrying out paramilitary training exercises all over America and if the decision was made any of them could be targeted, yet they havent been up until now.

When you examine the confluence of the Dem handling of criticism over the last months capped by this raid one would have to a foolish to ignore the potential.

Hopefull when the prosecution proceeds all such questions will be resolved by the presentation of evidence.


19 posted on 03/30/2010 7:37:01 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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What crime of violence was actually committed in possession of a firearm??

Seditious conspiracy. See how that works? LOL!

20 posted on 03/30/2010 7:38:10 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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