Posted on 04/03/2010 9:14:23 AM PDT by Zakeet
They've been the me-too-only-slower party for much longer than that.
I remember a joke from back in the 70s: If the Democrats introduced a bill to burn Washington to the ground, the Republicans would counter with a bill to do the same, but to phase it in over five years.
I still wanna know all about the weather machine.
Come on folks....get over that BDS....
George W always occupied that space between moderate right and Conservative Republicans, and never claimed otherwise if you really listened to him. He was Moderate right on some things and Conservative on others.
Calling Bush a Liberal/Socialist etc is naive at best and down right bordering on aiding and abeting the Donks....
Grew Goverment? 1) Fighting the war on terror is/was expensive, and having to rebuild the military after the Clinton years of neglect adds to the cost 2) Congress is the co-equal branch of government that writes/passes spending bills/new entitlement programs etc..... a legitimate question is “where was his veto Pen?” Note that spending bills always include things that,if taken on their own merit, would have been vetoed. Do ya think that the President needs a line item veto power? I sure do!
The Dems held all or part of the Congress for 4 of Bush’s 8 years, and with the voting habits/reaching across the aisle of the McCains, Snows, Collins, Chafees, Specters, Grahams, etc. eroding the slim Republican Majorities in much of those other years, you could make a reasonable case that the Dems effectively controlled Congress for all 8 years of the Bush Administration.....
Being elected President is not like being crowned King, although with Obama and the supermajority Donk Congress the electorate gave him you’d think otherwise....Maybe we should work to recreate this circumstance for our side...
Anyone have a problem with the 2 Conservative Supreme Court Justices that were sworn in during the Bush Years? Didn’t think so.....
We failed Bush by not electing a more Conservative Congress with sizeable majorities.....look in the mirror all of you that sat out “to teach the Repubs a lesson”.......making a bad sitution worse!
2010 is the time that we need to redeem ourselves and elect a Conservative Congress with enought of a majority to stop Obama dead in his tracts....let’ stay focused on that objective, and end this backbiting....
What kind of conservative is he?
Beats me. One thing I am sure of. He is a typical political hack. Say or do anything to get his clients elected.
As the song says, “I’m just looking for clues at the scene of the crime.”
And I’m sure it will be a fruitful search.
The original Neocons were warmed-over Trotskyites who had a Damascus moment when Stalin sent a thug to kill Trotsky with a pickaxe.
Since then, they've been anti-Stalinist and pro-defense. They've also been pro-Izzy, easy to understand since so many of them were Jewish intellectuals (Irving Kristol e.g.).
Sure they know, and sure, they get it.
They just lie about it.
THAT was a really good "conservative" action -- voting for Obama and then conservatives are criticizing Bush...
Oliver Stone, in W., murmured that Rove is gay.
True? No? How the hell would I know? In 2002, I'd have bet my house that Ken Mehlman, the Director of the RNC, wasn't gay. And I'd be living in a cardboard box next to the Duke Brothers.
Anti-Stalinist and pro-defense - OK true-blue conservatism (Reagan-like). I don't know what pro-Izzy connotes, but W's big government stuff seemed oft attributed to neo-con advise along with W’s own pro-gov't leanings.
He doesn't want his son to do it. Sounds like he wants Mexicans to do it. Karl doesn't like brown people very much, does he?
Half a loaf was better than no loaf.
The main players were Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, and a few others, with Bill Kristol over at the Weekly Standard acting as their cheerleader.
Dubya, other than the Neocons, had plenty of other former Nixonians and Bushy people from Poppy's administration around him who were not Neocons -- Karl Rove, Mary Matalin and other political people, Colin Powell and Condi Rice, and his own "economics/finance" people who conspicuously didn't include his father's top men like Nick Brady and James A. Baker III.
Since the Eisenhower Administration, the Wall Street Wing of the GOP has been loaded with "Me-Too'ers" (presidential-candidate examples: Ike himself, Wendell Willkie, Tom Dewey, Harold Stassen, Nelson Rockefeller, Dick Nixon), and the press has played a game with the GOP, blessing "Me-Too'ers" while decrying Main Street Republicans like Bob Taft, Barry Goldwater, and Sarah Palin as ignorant little trolls with tiny minds and scabby knuckles (from dragging on the ground).
Nixon did us all a favor by finally going to war with the media people, inviting them to take their gloves off and show us what was under them the whole time: brass knuckles, painted Red.
But I'm still wondering if and how the "neo-con" thing influenced the massive growth in government W was so in love with.
He doesn't want his son to do it. Sounds like he wants Mexicans to do it.
That's his answer for rubes and suckers. The real reasons are macroeconomic, and the real arguments are advanced only in the hushed surroundings of paneled dining and clubrooms full of Yale and Harvard men, where Real Guys meet to discuss the Real Issues.
That's where the "big government" aspect comes in. Those guys were all about "big government" back in the 19th century, when "big government" meant high protective tariffs. They were less in love with it when "big government" was hijacked by FDR and used to bribe and suborn urban voters; but they realized FDR had got there 'fustest with the mostest' and that they just had to compete on the basis of the "reality" FDR had created. Ergo, "Me Too". Are you in favor of continuing Social Security (my aunt gets $X/month, and my sainted mother $Y/month, which I'll have to find somehow if the checks get cut off!)? Why, heck, sure -- "Me Too!"
Only rubes from Arizona went around like Barry Goldwater saying "we have to do something" about FDR's corruption of the electorate. And that, you see, is how you tell a "good Republican stalwart" like Nelson Rockefeller from a "primitive" like Goldwater or Reagan.
Agree with your take on the prescripton drugs.
Yes, and McCain in Congress was a constant thorn in the President's side.
I sometimes think McCain was torpedoing the Bush efforts to do anything major in reforming SS, etc. McCain always seemed to me to be jealous of Bush. He was good on defense but weird on other stuff.
That’s why I hate the Republican party in general and only love the Reagans or whoever else can come along to hijack the party from the “Old Money” and use it to blast government and free our country. Need more ardent libertarians who will not compromise the Constitution.
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