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Karl Rove is no conservative, as his memoir shows (stating the obvious alert)
Washington Post ^ | April 4, 2009 | Craig Shirley and Donald Devine

Posted on 04/03/2010 9:14:23 AM PDT by Zakeet

From William F. Buckley Jr. to Barry Goldwater to Ronald Reagan, the creators of the modern conservative movement always taught that excessive concentration of power in government leads inevitably to corruption and the diminution of personal freedoms. But while Rove credits these leaders for shaping his early political views -- ... he did not pursue their values while in the White House. To the contrary, as the chief political architect of the Bush presidency, Rove was instrumental in directing an administration most notable for its enormous expansion of national government.

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The truly unique aspects of Bush and Rove's compassionate conservatism were in the arenas of education and entitlements. The goals of Bush's No Child Left Behind education initiative were certainly worthy, but its trampling of states' rights sounded early alarms for traditional conservatives. And Bush's market-oriented proposals for Social Security reform notwithstanding, the Medicare prescription drug benefit the president signed into law in 2003 has created an unfunded liability of $9.4 trillion over the next 75 years, according to the 2009 report from the Medicare trustees. This is far beyond what the White House estimated would be saved with Social Security reform, and the first new major entitlement since the days of Lyndon Johnson.

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In his memoir, Rove defends the Bush record as a truly conservative one. ... "Just look at his tax cuts, pro-life and pro-family stands; his support of free trade and reducing regulation; his belief that competition improves health care, the environment and Social Security; and his insistence on education results."

But the results speak otherwise. In total, Bush increased federal spending on domestic programs more than any president since Richard Nixon, easily surpassing Bill Clinton, Carter and his own father, so much so that by 2008, America had two big-government parties.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bookreview; bush; bush43; compassionaterinos; conservatism; conservatives; elections; hatchetjob; illegaliens; memoir; moderates; obama; progressivism; rino; rove; zotbait
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I'm waiting for an ambulance ride to the above place as I post this article.

The shock of seeing an intelligent, unbiased commentary in the Washington comPost was simply too much!

1 posted on 04/03/2010 9:14:23 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

The purpose of the article was to show that even Republicans believe in big government and that conservatives are a tiny minority without power or relevancy.


2 posted on 04/03/2010 9:19:05 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Zakeet

Unbiased? C’mon. Think that through.


3 posted on 04/03/2010 9:23:28 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan
"Unbiased? C’mon. Think that through.

Really, it couldn't have been obvious half way thru the article.

4 posted on 04/03/2010 9:26:46 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: Zakeet
Carl Rove is a cherubic-faced CINO, but his Obama-exposing analyses cause me to reluctantly overlook this fact.

Leni

5 posted on 04/03/2010 9:27:59 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Bill O'Reilly: 9/8/09: "Communism is not a threat to us anymore"-10/20/09: "Obama is not a Marxist")
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To: Zakeet

Well, he doesn’t believe in God so I know he’s not a christian conservative. We’re all sure he’s not a fiscal conservative. He believes in more Government so he’s not a libertarian conservative.

What kind of conservative is he?


6 posted on 04/03/2010 9:32:04 AM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi
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To: Zakeet

I thought the main distinguishing feature of the so-called “neo conservatives” was their love of big government, which is anathema to a true conservative. Is this article true which would fold Rove into the neo-conservative thing? I wouldn’t have known that.


7 posted on 04/03/2010 9:32:39 AM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi

Pretty sure Rove is a born-again Christian.


8 posted on 04/03/2010 9:33:28 AM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi

He’s a Republican. These days that just means socialism at a slower pace.


9 posted on 04/03/2010 9:37:29 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Zakeet

Really? What was the first clue?


10 posted on 04/03/2010 9:48:36 AM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/1980)
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To: Jim 0216

And you base this on......???


11 posted on 04/03/2010 9:52:27 AM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: Zakeet

I think I have a different take on the prescription drugs benefit. I can see where Bush II thought without such a benefit, calls for socialized medicine would overwhelm the conservative movement and win over the Sr’s for the Dems. In other words, they were doing the Lord’s work to prevent even worse action from the Lefty’s. I doubt Bush or Rove could have envisioned that the next POTUS would be a rigid Marxist with massive congressional majorities that would overwhelm both our sensibilities and our Constitution and make that prescription benefit seem nothing more than a radar blip. In sum, Bush (Rove) wasn’t giving into to the socialists, he thought he was beating them to the punch with only a quarter loaf.


12 posted on 04/03/2010 9:53:40 AM PDT by major-pelham
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To: Zakeet

I felt Rove had the gift of taking a highly electable George W Bush and squeaking him twice across the finish line of elections that shouldn’t have been so close. Under his direction, Republicans chose RINOs over conservatives for federal office, even from conservative states that could have been better served with a stronger voice (NC, SC, TX as examples). They petulantly refused to support Republican conservatives that upset their darling RINOs in the primaries (Shundler in NJ, Simon in CA), dooming them to defeat in the general election.

I’ve always taken Rove with a grain of salt. He’s not a bad man but he’s no conservative hero.


13 posted on 04/03/2010 9:54:39 AM PDT by OrangeHoof ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Bend over suckahs".)
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To: MinuteGal
Karl can be every bit as prescient as Dick Morris....

..but I don't trust either of them.

14 posted on 04/03/2010 9:56:41 AM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: OrangeHoof
He’s not a bad man but he’s no conservative hero.

The best one sentence summary of Karl Rove that I've seen.

15 posted on 04/03/2010 10:01:20 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Joe McCarthy was right. He was just early.)
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To: Zakeet
A BIG government republican is really a covert democrat..
AND not FOR a republic BUT For a democracy.. i.e. covert democrat..

** meaning: confused democrat at best, democrat mole at worst..

16 posted on 04/03/2010 10:05:47 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe

Bravo! And Sean Hannity is Karl Rove’s biggest sycophant.


17 posted on 04/03/2010 10:07:33 AM PDT by AlanD
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To: Zakeet; All

Rove with the help of Grover Norquist is who led GW down the amnesty path, and didn’t hesitate to call anyone who didn’t like it ‘bigots’.

Karl Rove says George Bush missed chance for immigration reform
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2468200/posts

[snip[According to a congressman’s wife who attended a Republican women’s luncheon yesterday, Karl Rove explained the rationale behind the president’s amnesty/open-borders proposal this way: “I don’t want my 17-year-old son to have to pick tomatoes or make beds in Las Vegas.”

There should be no need to explain why this is an obscene statement coming from a leader in the party that promotes the virtues of hard work, thrift, and sobriety, a party whose demi-god actually split fence rails as a young man, a party where “respectable Republican cloth coat” once actually meant something.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTZhZDdiYmJlNDViYTAwOWExNmUyMmQ5ODlmMWYwYTU


18 posted on 04/03/2010 10:07:50 AM PDT by AuntB (WE are NOT a nation of immigrants! We're a nation of Americans! http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/)
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To: Zakeet

Bush made clear his feelings about traditional conservatism. According to a memoir by former Bush speechwriter Matt Latimer, the president was unhappy about references to the conservative “movement” in the draft of the speech. “Take out all this movement stuff,” the president said. “There is no movement.”

George W. Bush: Worst Republican President since Gerald Ford


19 posted on 04/03/2010 10:10:12 AM PDT by AlanD
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To: Zakeet
First Rove, then Emmanuel... I've got to be honest: I don't care for this new trend of the White House and the Presidency being run by the political campaign strategists.

It may be good for the President himself, but it's bad for the country as a whole.

20 posted on 04/03/2010 10:12:37 AM PDT by jpl
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To: Zakeet

As I always used to tell my left-wing friends:

“I don’t know what you all are whining about. Bush is the best Democrat the Republicans ever elected!”


21 posted on 04/03/2010 10:13:47 AM PDT by Magnatron
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To: Republic of Texas
He’s a Republican. These days that just means socialism at a slower pace. - how very true!
22 posted on 04/03/2010 10:13:52 AM PDT by Free_at_last_-2001 (A country can survive its fools, but it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Zakeet

I really enjoyed listening to Rove’s recent interview with Rush Limbaugh. Rush did not interrupt or talk over Rove, kept all questions on point and focused, and in about 10 minutes I knew why we were left with nothing of the Reagan revolution at the end of the Bush-Clinton-Bush years of complacency.

The ‘architect’. Heh. More like the ‘arsonist’.


23 posted on 04/03/2010 10:19:00 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (What is a slave, but someone robbed of his labor to sustain the idle?)
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To: Zakeet

You mean to tell me the WAPO knows what a conservative is? They still do not get the tea pary movement.


24 posted on 04/03/2010 10:19:45 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Jim 0216

I think the first “neo-conservatives” were responsible for the Tower of Babel.


25 posted on 04/03/2010 10:21:16 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (What is a slave, but someone robbed of his labor to sustain the idle?)
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To: AlanD

I agree with your sentiments, but would point out that Ford never, ever pretended to be a conservative.


26 posted on 04/03/2010 10:23:04 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (What is a slave, but someone robbed of his labor to sustain the idle?)
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To: Zakeet
Karl Rove told a room full of reporters at a dinner a few years back that there was nothing that we could do about illegal immigration. We are where we are precisely because of people like Mr. Rove. The sooner he is tossed in the wastebin of history the better.
27 posted on 04/03/2010 10:23:27 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: AlanD
I remember all the Bushbots here always beating up on people who said we were going to be clobbered in 2006 and 2008, and then blaming people for not vigorously supporting their Rino’s with enough vigor and enthusiasm. This can still be seen in some threads. The message: “Rino candidates and spineless Republicans aren't the problem. Voters are.”

Republicans have to have a positive plan and mean it. The Roves of the world don't stand for anything but their own viability. He was a horrible adviser, and contributed to Bush being absolutely tone deaf. Like you said, neither of those elections should have been as close as they were, and Bush had next to zero credibility by the end of his presidency.

Hannity calls Rove, “the architect.” He's certainly that. He built this political outhouse we live in right now.

28 posted on 04/03/2010 10:26:18 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: Zakeet

Rove’s next book should be about how he and W managed to move Republican’s from arguably their strongest position of power in anyone’s memory in 2004, to one of their weakest positions in memory by 2008.


29 posted on 04/03/2010 10:29:10 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Zakeet
In his memoir, Rove defends the Bush record as a truly conservative one. ... "Just look at his tax cuts, pro-life and pro-family stands; his support of free trade and reducing regulation; his belief that competition improves health care, the environment and Social Security; and his insistence on education results."

Rove thinks were all stupid and his used care salesman tricks still work.

They don't.

There was nothing conservative about:

1. Medicare Expansion
2. No Child Left Behind
3. The brazen attempt at Amnesty
4. His signing of the McCain-Feingold bill and passing his responsibility to the Supreme Court.
5. His total lack of fiscal responsibility.

There was no small-government approach to GWB or Rove.
30 posted on 04/03/2010 10:30:06 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Luke21

“Hannity calls Rove, “the architect.” He’s certainly that. He built this political outhouse we live in right now. “

Karl Rove is the “Architect”? Rove and GWB were a two man GOP Wrecking Crew. Some Architect. Tom Delay (dancing with the stars) was another one.


31 posted on 04/03/2010 10:31:12 AM PDT by AlanD
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To: Luke21

You are completely right. Just about a year ago it was considered “heresy” to say anything critical about George W. Bush. Hannity and Limbaugh were also roped into the defend Bush club.

Fortunately, people are starting to wake up to what hit us in the last decade, and how we came to have a marxist in the White House now.


32 posted on 04/03/2010 10:33:13 AM PDT by AlanD
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To: Zakeet
Statement: "Karl Rove is no conservative, as his memoir shows...."

Response: Probably true but one gives him a hearing anyway. We are not mind numbed robots; Mr. Rove's statements can be checked in most instances.

33 posted on 04/03/2010 10:40:54 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Jim 0216

Look up “Karl Rove Religion”. He was raised as a Mormon, but some say he is agnostic or atheist.


34 posted on 04/03/2010 10:43:19 AM PDT by huskerjim
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To: AlanD

I remember before 2008 most of the folks around here loved Bush and Rove and if anyone dared to say the least little thing about the liberalism of Bush , you just about got ran out of this forum.....Just Saying. I thought free republic was a forum for rino's. Seriously...


35 posted on 04/03/2010 10:43:28 AM PDT by RED SOUTH
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To: Guenevere

I don’t know, possibly some misguided perception somewhere.


36 posted on 04/03/2010 10:49:49 AM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: Zakeet

I agree with the criticisms in the article, but am less sure that Karl gave them out of personal conviction than out of a belief that these actions would grow the GOP. For ex, we are all familiar with Karl’s belief that the GOP is the natural place for Hispanics because of their family values. He still believes this despite years of contrary election results.

My best guess is that Karl is more conservative personally than the advice he gave Dubya but thought some of these hare-brained ideas would bring more people into the GOP. I do enjoy his appearances on FOX.


37 posted on 04/03/2010 10:54:38 AM PDT by freespirited (I'm against a homogenized society because I want the cream to rise. --Robert Frost)
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To: Zakeet

Karl Rove is a political tactitian. I’ve never heard him referred to as a conservative.


38 posted on 04/03/2010 11:12:42 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (John has a long mustache)
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To: Jim 0216
The long knives are out. Probaby best to let them rant.

I guarantee that none of them have, nor will read Rove's book.

He can't continue to be the antiChrist (as he is, coincidentally, to the radical left), if they actually know what he thinks.

39 posted on 04/03/2010 11:19:57 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: RED SOUTH
You're absolutely right!..

.Before 2008...during 2007 when the illegal immigration salvo hit me smack in the head, I, as well as many here, overlooked & overlooked & overlooked many red flags...

...once I was gobsmacked, there was no turning back...my eyes were open.

40 posted on 04/03/2010 11:22:41 AM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: Republic of Texas
He’s a Republican. These days that just means socialism at a slower pace.

They've been the me-too-only-slower party for much longer than that.

I remember a joke from back in the 70s: If the Democrats introduced a bill to burn Washington to the ground, the Republicans would counter with a bill to do the same, but to phase it in over five years.

41 posted on 04/03/2010 11:22:58 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Two blogs for the price of none!)
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To: Will88
Rove’s next book should be about how he and W managed to move Republican’s from arguably their strongest position of power in anyone’s memory in 2004, to one of their weakest positions in memory by 2008.

I still wanna know all about the weather machine.

42 posted on 04/03/2010 11:33:47 AM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: Zakeet

Come on folks....get over that BDS....

George W always occupied that space between moderate right and Conservative Republicans, and never claimed otherwise if you really listened to him. He was Moderate right on some things and Conservative on others.

Calling Bush a Liberal/Socialist etc is naive at best and down right bordering on aiding and abeting the Donks....

Grew Goverment? 1) Fighting the war on terror is/was expensive, and having to rebuild the military after the Clinton years of neglect adds to the cost 2) Congress is the co-equal branch of government that writes/passes spending bills/new entitlement programs etc..... a legitimate question is “where was his veto Pen?” Note that spending bills always include things that,if taken on their own merit, would have been vetoed. Do ya think that the President needs a line item veto power? I sure do!

The Dems held all or part of the Congress for 4 of Bush’s 8 years, and with the voting habits/reaching across the aisle of the McCains, Snows, Collins, Chafees, Specters, Grahams, etc. eroding the slim Republican Majorities in much of those other years, you could make a reasonable case that the Dems effectively controlled Congress for all 8 years of the Bush Administration.....

Being elected President is not like being crowned King, although with Obama and the supermajority Donk Congress the electorate gave him you’d think otherwise....Maybe we should work to recreate this circumstance for our side...

Anyone have a problem with the 2 Conservative Supreme Court Justices that were sworn in during the Bush Years? Didn’t think so.....

We failed Bush by not electing a more Conservative Congress with sizeable majorities.....look in the mirror all of you that sat out “to teach the Repubs a lesson”.......making a bad sitution worse!

2010 is the time that we need to redeem ourselves and elect a Conservative Congress with enought of a majority to stop Obama dead in his tracts....let’ stay focused on that objective, and end this backbiting....


43 posted on 04/03/2010 11:34:18 AM PDT by Forty-Niner ((.))
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi

What kind of conservative is he?

Beats me. One thing I am sure of. He is a typical political hack. Say or do anything to get his clients elected.


44 posted on 04/03/2010 11:46:15 AM PDT by mono
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To: ohioWfan

As the song says, “I’m just looking for clues at the scene of the crime.”


45 posted on 04/03/2010 12:08:09 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: Jim 0216

And I’m sure it will be a fruitful search.


46 posted on 04/03/2010 12:20:10 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Jim 0216
I thought the main distinguishing feature of the so-called “neo conservatives” was their love of big government

The original Neocons were warmed-over Trotskyites who had a Damascus moment when Stalin sent a thug to kill Trotsky with a pickaxe.

Since then, they've been anti-Stalinist and pro-defense. They've also been pro-Izzy, easy to understand since so many of them were Jewish intellectuals (Irving Kristol e.g.).

47 posted on 04/03/2010 12:41:41 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Parley Baer; Zakeet
You mean to tell me the WAPO knows what a conservative is? They still do not get the tea party movement.

Sure they know, and sure, they get it.

They just lie about it.

48 posted on 04/03/2010 12:47:57 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Zakeet
"After losing control of Congress in the 2006 midterm elections (when post-vote polls showed that about 60 percent of Americans thought the Republicans were the party of big government) and the presidential contest in 2008 (when nearly 20 percent of self-identified conservatives voted for Obama)"....

THAT was a really good "conservative" action -- voting for Obama and then conservatives are criticizing Bush...

49 posted on 04/03/2010 12:52:06 PM PDT by SmartInsight (Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. ~ G. J. Nathan)
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To: huskerjim
Look up “Karl Rove Religion”. He was raised as a Mormon, but some say he is agnostic or atheist.

Oliver Stone, in W., murmured that Rove is gay.

True? No? How the hell would I know? In 2002, I'd have bet my house that Ken Mehlman, the Director of the RNC, wasn't gay. And I'd be living in a cardboard box next to the Duke Brothers.

50 posted on 04/03/2010 12:55:12 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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