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To: Hank Kerchief; wagglebee; P-Marlowe; betty boop; Alamo-Girl
It does not say the babe is a human being. It is unborn, not a baby yet. Unborn babies move all the time. Just because something moves it does not make it a human being.

Not so, Hank.

The scripture says it "leapt with JOY." The joy was because it was in the presence of the expectant Mother of the Lord, who was carrying Jesus at the time.

In short, the BABY in her womb had awareness, realization, and spirituality. These are all characteristics of humans.

Fully human.

Age is marked from availability to be marked. They aren't likely to circumcize in utero, are they?

Age being counted from birth is no indication whatsoever of anything other than time of birth. No different than your counting the years since you graduated from high school. That doesn't prove you were an unintelligent mass before that point.

So far as the death penalty for causing an abortion, again you are wrong. The entire scripture says:

Exodust 21: 22 "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

The issue of premature birth with or without injury refers to THE CHILD. Otherwise, it makes no sense. If she's giving birth, OF COURSE, she is still OK. If you cause injury to the child, then it's "life for life....eye for eye", etc.

The law regarding deaths of already born persons is given elsewhere (numbers 35, for example)

This passage is specifically targeted at the unique case of a pregnant woman and the child being carried by her. If the woman is stricken and dies, it is covered under other law, as mentioned, regarding accidental and intentional taking of life.

Again, you greatly err. John, Jeremiah, Jesus, Job are all mentioned biblically from their in utero days and all are always regarded as fully human. How could it be otherwise, really, when you think about it?

134 posted on 04/06/2010 6:05:38 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Again, thank you so very much for the beautiful Scripture and all your insights, dear brother in Christ!


320 posted on 04/06/2010 9:59:35 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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