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Town rallies around accused killer of molester
MSNBC ^ | updated 10:06 a.m. ET, Thurs., April 8, 2010 | By Mike Celizic

Posted on 04/08/2010 1:58:41 PM PDT by Niuhuru

Usually, when someone who’s been a mainstay of a community gets shot and killed in his own home, there’s a public outcry to bring his killer to justice. But not in the idyllic Pacific Coast town of Fort Bragg, Calif., where the citizenry has risen up in support of the man who pulled the trigger.

Aaron Vargas has been in jail ever since Feb. 8, 2009, when police say he shot and killed Darrell McNeill, the man he alleges sexually abused him when he was just 11 years old. After the shooting, 12 other men came forward to say that McNeill, a former Boy Scout leader and popular member of the community, had also abused them. Some had reported the abuse but law enforcement officials took no action.

When the truth came out, the town rallied behind the 32-year-old Vargas. Citizens held demonstrations demanding that he be freed from jail. T-shirts supporting his cause are being sold, with the proceeds going to his legal defense. Cars sport bumper stickers supporting him. Even McNeill’s widow is defending Vargas.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: molester; pedophile; shooter; shooting; shootingmolester
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Warm fuzzy news. Between the rage I've read about in the death of Phoebe Prince and this, sounds like America is doing just fine.
1 posted on 04/08/2010 1:58:41 PM PDT by Niuhuru
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To: Niuhuru

So, why didn’t LE do anything?


2 posted on 04/08/2010 2:02:03 PM PDT by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: Niuhuru

If I were on the jury I’d give him a day in jail as a token punishment.

Until child molesters get put to death in this country (not all ‘sex offenders.’ CHILD RAPISTS) I can’t make an argument against someone doing this. There is no justice right now.


3 posted on 04/08/2010 2:03:01 PM PDT by Persevero (Ask yourself: "What does the Left want me to do?" Then go do the opposite.)
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To: bgill

Perhaps the reluctance to believe charges against a prominent person.Perhaps complicity.Perhaps laziness.


4 posted on 04/08/2010 2:04:47 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Niuhuru
Even McNeill’s widow is defending Vargas.

Hoo boy!

So why not just let the guy plea down to a misdemeanor - give him probation - and call it a day?

5 posted on 04/08/2010 2:05:29 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: Niuhuru

Something like this happened years ago. A boy was molested on a kids baseball team by the coach. The law found the coach in another state and was going to transport via air back to the state where the crime was committed. The father of the boy was at the airport and when the arresting officers walked the molester past the father of the boy, the father shot and killed him. The court put the father on trial and put him on probation.


6 posted on 04/08/2010 2:09:15 PM PDT by RC2
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To: Persevero

He clearly deserves to be found guilty and be fined one dollar and a carton of cigarettes.


7 posted on 04/08/2010 2:12:01 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine
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To: Niuhuru
Many in Aaron Vargas’ community of Fort Bragg, Calif., don’t want him to go to jail, even though he is pleading no contest to charges that he killed former Boy Scout leader Darrell McNeill.

Should have pled 'not guilty' and not waived his right to a speedy trial, he'd be out by now. His lawyer was incompetent.

8 posted on 04/08/2010 2:12:26 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: RC2

Father? Maybe you - maybe me - are thinking of a different story.

Ellie Nesler (Mother) was famous for gunning down a sex perv...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ei=lUa-S_blG8Wvngfn8dCsCg&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CAwQBSgA&q=ellie+nesler&spell=1


9 posted on 04/08/2010 2:13:45 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: RC2

I don’t remember all the details, but a few years back in a somewhat similar case a mother shot and killed the guy she thought had molested her son.

Unfortunately, DNA proved he wasn’t the guy.

Vigilantism too often kills the wrong people.


10 posted on 04/08/2010 2:15:53 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

You are absolutely correct but if it were my son???????? Emotions take over at times and need to be considered.


11 posted on 04/08/2010 2:17:34 PM PDT by RC2
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To: RC2

Sounds like street justice is gaining in popularity. I’m thankful for it.


12 posted on 04/08/2010 2:19:41 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Niuhuru

Now THAT’S meaningful recovery therapy.


13 posted on 04/08/2010 2:20:14 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Niuhuru

Especially when it comes to protecting kids. I coached kids in football up through Freshmen for over 15 years and would have done anything to protect them.


14 posted on 04/08/2010 2:22:34 PM PDT by RC2
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To: Sherman Logan
Vigilantism too often kills the wrong people.

Yup.

In cases where there's no imminent threat, arrest and a fair trial by jury is still the best way in the long run.

Imminent threat? *BANG*

Vigilantism is a much more untamed monster that can quickly turn into mob rule.

15 posted on 04/08/2010 2:23:35 PM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: Niuhuru

“the gun went off,”
Why wasn’t the damn gun charged with murder?


16 posted on 04/08/2010 2:26:44 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Persevero
The legal justification for sparing child molesters the death penalty is to potentially save the life of their victims. i.e. a molester would stop short of murdering their victim if they knew they would be spared, otherwise, they would figure they had nothing to lose by killing their victim.

While said reasoning is sound were appropriate punishment administered, too often it is not.

That is why the minimum penalty should be castration, and not the chemical type which requires ongoing medication-- the type which my brother and I used to do on a ranch when I wrestled the calves to the ground and he extracted the rocky mountain oysters.

17 posted on 04/08/2010 2:26:53 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

I actually disagree with that reasoning, but I am not king, so I can’t change the laws.

Except as a juror who refuses to convict. . .


18 posted on 04/08/2010 2:27:51 PM PDT by Persevero (Ask yourself: "What does the Left want me to do?" Then go do the opposite.)
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To: TChris

A. Lincoln, 1838: “When men take it in their heads to day, to hang gamblers, or burn murderers, they should recollect, that, in the confusion usually attending such transactions, they will be as likely to hang or burn some one who is neither a gambler nor a murderer as one who is; and that, acting upon the example they set, the mob of to-morrow, may, and probably will, hang or burn some of them by the very same mistake.”

The best approach is for the intended victim to kill the
perp before the crime is finalized. No chance of getting the wrong guy that way.


19 posted on 04/08/2010 2:28:37 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Niuhuru

Reminds me a little of the lady in our town who put all six
rounds in her worthless abusive husband with his own
revolver, then called the cops. Her attorney was lucky
and skilled enough to keep the proceedings local where
everyone knew the guy. I think she ended up being charged
with discharging a firearm within the city limits. There was
some talk of taking up a community collection to pay the fine.


20 posted on 04/08/2010 2:29:18 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (What's "My Struggle" in Kenyan?)
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To: Niuhuru

There is a lot of street justice happening with the armed citizenry, but in CA and TX, illegals and gangs have their own justice going on every day in the streets.


21 posted on 04/08/2010 2:29:45 PM PDT by wac3rd (SYCASUSE)
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To: Sherman Logan
The best approach is for the intended victim to kill the perp before the crime is finalized. No chance of getting the wrong guy that way.

Agreed. It saves everyone else a lot of time and money too.

22 posted on 04/08/2010 2:31:55 PM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: RC2

I certainly agree with you, and while I’m not in favor of vigilantism, I sure understand the emotions that would lead someone to such action.

If a perv gets killed this way, I won’t lose any sleep, and would prefer to see a reduced sentence for the killer. The perv hasn’t suffered any injustice.

But there’s always a chance he isn’t the right guy. Kids sometimes lie, for example.


23 posted on 04/08/2010 2:32:33 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Niuhuru; All

One of my favorite Hank Williams Jr. songs is about a Father that “handles some unfinished business”:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktq7JaXszqo

Enjoy!


24 posted on 04/08/2010 2:33:50 PM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: Niuhuru

When so many common sense laws are not enforced, ie.. immigration laws, traffic laws, corruption laws against member of congress, buglery laws, illegals driving without proper car registration, etc...

The masses will start turning to vigiliantism.


25 posted on 04/08/2010 2:33:52 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Niuhuru

When street justice is gaining popularity it is because government is failing to do its constitutional duties. Or in other words, when it citizens lose faith in the system to provide justice the citizens take the law into their own hands. There is something to be said for due process.

Overall that is not a good thing.


26 posted on 04/08/2010 2:34:15 PM PDT by DB
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To: Sherman Logan
"Vigilantism too often kills the wrong people. "

Data? Pct?

27 posted on 04/08/2010 2:36:30 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: RC2
The father of the boy was at the airport and when the arresting officers walked the molester past the father of the boy, the father shot and killed him.

Wasn't there a video of this incident?

I recall seeing just such a thing years ago. The father was standing in a fairly narrow hallway, ostensibly talking on a payphone at the time...when the cops brought the perp in to the station house via that hallway...BANG! Brain bits all over the cameraman who was across the hall from the payphone.

28 posted on 04/08/2010 2:37:53 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Correct, it was all over the news.


29 posted on 04/08/2010 2:42:00 PM PDT by RC2
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To: Sherman Logan

Absolutely true. Accidents will happen but it can sure make people think from time to time.


30 posted on 04/08/2010 2:43:13 PM PDT by RC2
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To: bgill

You have to understand that married heterosexual relationships in Fort Bragg, CA are considered an alternate life style.


31 posted on 04/08/2010 2:43:33 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Calling all Son's of Liberty)
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To: Niuhuru
Usually, when someone who’s been a mainstay of a community gets shot and killed in his own home, there’s a public outcry to bring his killer to justice.

And such is the case here. Justice for the=is killer is absolute freedom, no conviction, no punishment, not even token punishment. And maybe a parade in his honor for helping clean up the community.

32 posted on 04/08/2010 2:44:53 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: SuperLuminal
Since there's no trial, there's never any proof whether they got the right or the wrong guy.

Here's a case where there was a trial, including multiple appeals, and the vigilantes decided they didn't like the outcome. There is considerable doubt the lynchee was guilty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Frank#Jim_Conley

33 posted on 04/08/2010 2:45:17 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Responsibility2nd

No, it was the father. He did it in the airport as the police were bring the pervert in from extradition. He shot the guy right in front of the news cameras, which were rolling. I can’t find the details in a quick search, but someone will remember the names.


34 posted on 04/08/2010 2:47:27 PM PDT by sig226 (Mourn this day, the death of a great republic. March 21, 2010)
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To: sig226
if I remember the story correctly the perv was a karate instructor. The father of the molested boy was acting like he was talking on a pay phone when he swung around and capped the perv in the head with a pistol. The father then dropped the gun and waited for the plain clothes cops to jump on him. Just before that the pervert was walking,handcuffed through the airport with a big smile on his face.
35 posted on 04/08/2010 2:55:04 PM PDT by 4yearlurker ("No King but King Jesus!")
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To: SuperLuminal

Also I’d like to point out that once if too often.

People are pretty often wrongly convicted in a trial. Without a trial it is reasonable to assume the chance of error increases.


36 posted on 04/08/2010 2:55:36 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Niuhuru

I can’t see this as a bad thing.


37 posted on 04/08/2010 3:03:02 PM PDT by cake_crumb (President Reagan on ObieCare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&feature=player_embedded#)
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To: Sherman Logan

I’ve read your posts, are you inferring that in this case the alleged pervert may be innocent?


38 posted on 04/08/2010 3:08:38 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Niuhuru

I’m originally from a suberb of Bristol PA, a few maple shaded apartments away from the railroad tracks, and I hopped my share like everyone else. There was a convicted shild molestor who was sent home to live with his parents after 10 years in the local mental institution, which was known as Byberry. Older folks from the Philly area may remember Byberry. It was a home for the criminally insane. The type of people that havbe ALREADY been a danger to others in a permanent way. He went missing within weeks. He was never found. It was generally considered that justice was served.


39 posted on 04/08/2010 3:08:58 PM PDT by cake_crumb (President Reagan on ObieCare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&feature=player_embedded#)
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To: RC2

I remember that video. The molesters head blew out the side. Never knew what happened to the dad.


40 posted on 04/08/2010 3:35:10 PM PDT by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: boop

Last I heard he got probation.


41 posted on 04/08/2010 3:55:58 PM PDT by RC2
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To: Balding_Eagle

Nope. I know nothing about this case. Given the community support for the killer, I suspect the perv was indeed guilty. They know a whole lot more about it than I do.

The 12 additional guys coming forth is pretty convincing.

I’m a big fan of dead child molesters and rapists.

I am just not a big fan of vigilantism, due to its obvious potential for killing the wrong people.


42 posted on 04/08/2010 5:46:42 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Gotcha. Thanks.


43 posted on 04/08/2010 5:56:46 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Vigilanteman

Frontal lobotomy AND physical castration. ... And I used to be the ‘cutter’ when removing pig testicles on the farm. The sound is indescribable ... poor creatures.


44 posted on 04/08/2010 6:08:08 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts; RC2; boop

http://www.yikers.com/video_dad_shoots_sons_molester_in_the_head.html


45 posted on 04/08/2010 6:18:08 PM PDT by Ladysmith ("A community organizer can't bitch when communities organize." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: 4yearlurker; sig226

ping to post #45


46 posted on 04/08/2010 6:20:36 PM PDT by Ladysmith ("A community organizer can't bitch when communities organize." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Ladysmith

wow! haven’t seen that in years.


47 posted on 04/08/2010 6:36:06 PM PDT by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: dirtymac

Ft. Bragg is one of the most left wing towns in CA, including SF. Luckily it is small and lightly populated and located in a remote area of the coast. It surprises me that so many of the people are on this guys side.


48 posted on 04/08/2010 6:36:52 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Ladysmith

Thanks. I knew somebody would recall the case. We need more men like Gary Plauche.


50 posted on 04/08/2010 10:57:18 PM PDT by sig226 (Mourn this day, the death of a great republic. March 21, 2010)
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