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1972 Playboy Saul Alinsky interview (Know Your Enemy!!)
Native Forest Council ^ | Friday, April 9, 2010 | Jim Britell

Posted on 04/09/2010 4:10:02 AM PDT by canuck_conservative

Edited on 04/09/2010 6:40:30 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

ALINSKY: .... I moved over to the table next to the cashier, exchanged a few words with her and then finished my coffee and got up to pay. "Gee, I'm sorry," I said, "I seem to have lost my check." She'd seen that all I had was a cup of coffee, so she just said, "That's OK, that'll be a nickel." So I paid and left with my original nickel check still in my pocket and walked a few blocks to the next cafeteria in the same chain and ordered a big meal for a buck forty-five -- and, believe me, in those days, for a buck forty-five I could have practically bought the [expletive deleted by mod] joint. I ate in a corner far away from the cashier, then switched checks and paid my nickel bill from the other place and left. So my eating troubles were taken care of.

But then I began to see other kids around the campus in the same fix, so I put up a big sign on the bulletin board and invited anybody who was hungry to a meeting. Some of them thought it was all a gag, but I stood on the lectern and explained my system in detail, with the help of a big map of Chicago with all the local branches of the cafeteria marked on it. Social ecology! I split my recruits up into squads according to territory; one team would work the South Side for lunch, another the North Side for dinner, and so on. We got the system down to a science, and for six months all of us were eating free. Then the bastards brought in those serial machines at the door where you pull out a ticket that's only good for that particular cafeteria. That was a low blow. We were the first victims of automation....

Anyway, I found out that criminology was just as removed from actual crime and criminals as sociology was from society, so I decided to make my doctoral dissertation a study of the Al Capone mob -- an inside study.

PLAYBOY: What did Capone have to say about that?

ALINSKY: Well, my reception was pretty chilly at first -- I went over to the old Lexington Hotel, which was the gang's headquarters, and I hung around the lobby and the restaurant. I'd spot one of the mobsters whose picture I'd seen in the papers and go up to him and say, "I'm Saul Alinsky, I'm studying criminology, do you mind if I hang around with you?" And he'd look me over and say, "Get lost, punk." This happened again and again, and I began to feel I'd never get anywhere. Then one night I was sitting in the restaurant and at the next table was Big Ed Stash, a professional assassin who was the Capone mob's top executioner. He was drinking with a bunch of his pals and he was saying, "Hey, you guys, did I ever tell you about the time I picked up that redhead in Detroit?" and he was cut off by a chorus of moans. "My God," one guy said, "do we have to hear that one again?" I saw Big Ed's face fall; mobsters are very sensitive, you know, very thin-skinned. And I reached over and plucked his sleeve. "Mr. Stash," I said, "I'd love to hear that story." His face lit up. "You would, kid?" He slapped me on the shoulder. "Here, pull up a chair. Now, this broad, see . . ." And that's how it started.

Big Ed had an attentive audience and we became buddies. He introduced me to Frank Nitti, known as the Enforcer, Capone's number-two man, and actually in de facto control of the mob because of Al's income-tax rap. Nitti took me under his wing. I called him the Professor and I became his student. Nitti's boys took me everywhere, showed me all the mob's operations, from gin mills and whorehouses and bookie joints to the legitimate businesses they were beginning to take over. Within a few months, I got to know the workings of the Capone mob inside out....

PLAYBOY: Didn't you have any compunction about consorting with -- if not actually assisting -- murderers?

ALINSKY: None at all, since there was nothing I could do to stop them from murdering, practically all of which was done inside the family. I was a nonparticipating observer in their professional activities, although I joined their social life of food, drink and women: Boy, I sure participated in that side of things -- it was heaven. And let me tell you something, I learned a hell of a lot about the uses and abuses of power from the mob, lessons that stood me in good stead later on, when I was organizing.....

We took a photograph, opening his eyes first, then rushed back to the studio to develop it. We carefully retouched it to eliminate all the bullet holes, and then had it hand-tinted. The next morning, I went back to the wake and presented the photograph to Mrs. Massina. "Dumas gave this to me just last week," I said, "and I'd like you to have it." She cried and thanked me, and pretty soon word of the incident spread throughout the gang. "That Alinsky, he's an all-right motherfucker," the kids would say, and from that moment on they began to trust me and I was able to work with them, all because of the photograph. It was an improvised tactic and it worked.

PLAYBOY: It was also pretty cynical and manipulative.

ALINSKY: It was a simple example of good organizing. And what's wrong with it? ....

PLAYBOY: How does a self-styled outside agitator like yourself get accepted in the community he plans to organize?

ALINSKY: The first and most important thing you can do to win this acceptance is to bait the power structure into publicly attacking you. In Back of the Yards, when I was first establishing my credentials, I deliberately maneuvered to provoke criticism. I made outrageous statements to the press, I attacked every civic and business leader I could think of, and I goaded the establishment to strike back .....


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: alinsky; creep; criminal; democrats; liberalfascism; menacetosociety; obama; saulalinsky; socialism; weasel
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To: The Shrew
ALINSKY: The first and most important thing you can do to win this acceptance is to bait the power structure into publicly attacking you.
41 posted on 04/09/2010 7:44:16 AM PDT by Interesting Times (For the truth about "swift boating" see ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: Interesting Times

Now that they have the power, they are trying to bait the citizens to attack them. Don’t fall for it. They are setting traps everywhere and have no problem in using the full force of the fedgov against us.


42 posted on 04/09/2010 7:51:34 AM PDT by Texas resident (Outlaw fisherman)
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To: canuck_conservative

Excellent find.


43 posted on 04/09/2010 7:54:38 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: canuck_conservative

bump


44 posted on 04/09/2010 7:55:37 AM PDT by timestax (Why do LIBERALS pay NO TAXES$$$? eh)
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To: canuck_conservative

BM


45 posted on 04/09/2010 7:57:53 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: canuck_conservative
I'd studied his personality carefully, and I knew I'd get nowhere appealing to him over labor's rights, but I figured I might just be able to use this personal Achilles' heel to our advantage.

Finally I got an audience with Kelly and I started my spiel. "Look, Mayor," I said, "I know I can't deliver you any more votes than you've already got" -- in those days they didn't even bother to count the ballots, they weighed 'em, and every cemetery in town voted; there was a real afterlife in Chicago -- "but I'm going to make a deal with you." Kelly just looked bored; he was probably asking himself why he'd even bothered to see this little pip-squeak radical. "What've you got to deal with, kid?" he asked me. I told him, "Right now you've got a reputation as the number-one enemy of organized labor in the country. But I'll make you a liberal overnight. I'll deliver the national C.I.O. endorsement for you and the public support of every union in Chicago. I've arranged for two of the guys who were wounded in the Memorial Day Massacre to go on the radio and applaud you as a true friend of the workingman. Within forty-eight hours I'll have turned you into a champion of liberalism" -- Kelly still looked bored -- "and that'll make you completely acceptable to F.D.R. on all occasions, social and political."

Suddenly he sat bolt upright in his chair and his eyes bored into mine. "How do I know you can deliver?" he asked. I handed him a slip of paper. "That's the unlisted number of John L. Lewis in Alexandria, Virginia. Call him, tell him I'm here in your office, tell him what I said, and then ask him if I can deliver." Kelly leaned back in his chair and said, "What do you want?" I said, "I want you to put the screws on the meat packers to sign a contract with the union." He said, "It's a deal. You'll get your contract tomorrow." We did, and from that time on victory for Back of the Yards was ensured. And I came out of that fight convinced that the organizational techniques we used in Back of the Yards could be employed successfully anywhere across the nation.

Tea Party folks need to take a long hard look at this tactic... it's a winner.

46 posted on 04/09/2010 8:27:13 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php?area=dam&lang=eng)
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To: canuck_conservative
If it works for the left, why not for us?

And that is why Republicans suck.

47 posted on 04/09/2010 8:43:22 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: Lazamataz

Rush needs to talk about this.


48 posted on 04/09/2010 9:13:23 AM PDT by Deo volente (Hope and Change, aka All Government, All the Time)
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To: canuck_conservative

“We were the first victims of automation.... “

Wow. This statement is unbelievable.


49 posted on 04/09/2010 9:28:34 AM PDT by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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To: GreyFriar
Hillary & O’s spiritual leader

And also Bill Ayers.

50 posted on 04/09/2010 10:19:24 AM PDT by zot
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To: canuck_conservative
Lots of valuable background info here.

Hey, if the guy's an organizational genius, then conservatives should be able to employ the same tactics to our advantage. If it works for the left, why not for us? It's time we beat those clowns at their own game.

Exactly. Study their tactics, improve upon them, then use them. It's time to put the country club niceties aside. Politics is a blood sport, as Kennedy said. Play it to win - for a change.

51 posted on 04/09/2010 10:31:11 AM PDT by neutrino (Globalization is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.(173))
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To: CriticalJ
Isn't that something? Their illegal, immoral scam is thwarted and they are VICTIMS!?

He really is the godfather of the entitlement mentality. Levin needs to get a copy of this.

52 posted on 04/09/2010 11:09:09 AM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: highlander_UW

“What a low life piece of crap the liberals selected as a hero. No wonder liberals are pantie waist punks. “

Fits Obama to a T.


53 posted on 04/09/2010 12:14:10 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: canuck_conservative

Christ said after the parable of the “fired steward” who knew to reduce the debts of everyone that owed something to the master...”the children of this world are often wiser than the children of light; there-fore make friends for yourselves by the mammon of unrighteousness so when ye fail ye may be received in the everlasting habitations.”

The point of this parable was that often spiritual minded people don’t deal as wisely with each other and with the world as do earthly minded folks do with each other and the world. If they want to use Alinsky and Clove Pliven on Americans...perhaps we should give back to them, and in spades!

The Tea Party could start demanding their free health care now...why wait until 2014. We want our welfare stash now and we aren’t going to work anymore...we want our free money. One giant colossal work stoppage with no tax revenues coming in and few doing their jobs anywhere for say one month will get the point across in a hurry! No more free rides or everyone free rides. They want to ban fishing everyone goes fishing.

The point is they expect folks to start shooting and then the Libs think they could do the martial law thingy...but what would they do if a good chunk of 50 percent of the US decides..”heck no...we ain’t working anymore either...we want our free stuff now Obama!” and they sit on their hands and do absolutely nothing...no work, no spend, no tax collections!


54 posted on 04/09/2010 2:59:05 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: canuck_conservative

obumpa


55 posted on 04/09/2010 6:30:36 PM PDT by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

““What a low life piece of crap the liberals selected as a hero. No wonder liberals are pantie waist punks. “

Fits Obama to a T.”

After reading Rules for Radicals and now this interview, I concur.


56 posted on 04/09/2010 6:42:20 PM PDT by Fu-fu2
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