Posted on 04/16/2010 5:35:48 PM PDT by Abathar
INDIANAPOLIS -- A man who shot and killed a teenager who broke into his car was charged Friday with voluntary manslaughter.
Virgil Lucas, 17, was found dead of a gunshot wound to the chest on the front porch of a home in the 3500 block of East Morris Street early on April 9.
James Ingram, 30, who lives nearby, told police he returned home from work to find the teen breaking into his car, and confronted him with a gun.
Ingram's attorney said his client was merely attempting to hold Lucas for the police, but when the teen ran, Ingram fired several shots after him.
Ingram told police he didn't think he'd hit the teen until he was found dead in the neighborhood.
Police said that legally, loss of property is not enough to justify the use of deadly force.
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I agree ,
and with Abathar,
Message Sent to Perps, though ,is The Bum is Still Dead
Since money and the things it can buy represent something precious and irreplaceable, there is good reason to use deadly force to keep control of something you own. That something that is irreplaceable, is your time. You are born with only so much of it, you traded some of it, or maybe a lot of it, for money to buy goods. By stealing your goods, they are actually taking a part of your life energy. Damn right deadly force is justified. For a sack of marbles no, but for a car or a wallet or purse, yes.
That's what I keyed in on as well.
"Ingram's attorney said his client was merely attempting to hold Lucas for the police, but when the teen ran, Ingram fired several shots after him."
No justificiation for lethal force if he was RUNNING AWAY.
Don't worry, after your use of harsh language while he's running away, he'll reform and never steal again. He won't learn to pick a weaker more helpless victim, either, like a 90 year old lady who will die from being knocked to the ground trying to hold on to her wedding ring.
All will be well.
There should be no reason to NOT use maximum force against a perp if you feel your life is in danger.
“Speaking of Texas..(I’m assuming you live there) a few months ago there was a man,from TX, who witnessed some thieves trying to break in to his neighbors house and he called 911 and then proceeded to tell the operator he was going to have to shoot them and she was trying to convince him not to. But he did anyway...can’t remember if he killed one or just wounded them. Did you hear about that or what happened to the guy?”
The perp was a black illegal alien. He was attempting to leave the scene of a felony with stolen goods and was killed by the home owner next door. The shooter was not charged with anything because the killing was legal under Texas law.
Well, he stopped the thieves from doing it again. Next time they may have brought a gun and killed some innocent.
That has always been my take on it as well. When you steal something from me, you are taking a part of my life. I only have so much life to go around...
I would think a gunshot wound to the chest would be sufficient to justify self-defense.
Does that go the same for cops? IF you run they shouldn’t shot you?
Sorry, I'm as second amendment as one can get, but this is wrong.
You don't shoot a teenager running away from you. Your life was not in peril, your property was actually not taken based on the article.
There are several better options than opening fire. You can hit a house, a stray car.
You are responsible for every bullet fired from your weapon.
Plus this type of senseless killing give the gun grabbers plenty of ammo to make their ignorant points
Which police dept. has a policy of shooting perps running away?
Granted, I'm sure some jack booted roided out thug LEO's do it, but it isn't policy
"Oficer, I shot the thief because he violated the sanctity of my home / car / boat / whatever. I have insurance to cover the loss of the property".
Hey if you break into my home i will definitely point a gun at “your” head. But then again would i really fire in your back if you just run away? i guess not!
As long you are no danger to me or my family i´m not willing to kill you because i don´t care if law allows me or if it doesn´t. At the end i´m a human beeing and i don´t kill people just because some law might say that i have been correct under the current state of law.
I don't know. Ask a cop. ;-)
What I wish to do differs from what I can legally do. In Virginia, one can NOT use LETHAL force on someone who is fleeing.
Just remember that next time he WILL bring a gun and some of his friends who have guns WILL bring theirs and they just won’t rob you, they will kill you.
Here is a NY Slimes report to corroborate the above.
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