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Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status
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| 1/26/10
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Posted on 04/26/2010 11:05:19 AM PDT by Bokababe
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To: bamahead
“I’m glad I’m not the only one who isn’t jumping on this bandwagon.”
You do know that our state does this very thing and has for at least the past two years, right?
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posted on
04/26/2010 12:30:22 PM PDT
by
Favor Center
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To: All
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posted on
04/26/2010 12:31:07 PM PDT
by
Bokababe
(Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
To: Bokababe
I don’t like the idea of police being able to walk up to anybody and demand, “Achtung! Your papers, please.”
On the other hand, if police DO have probable cause to stop somebody, it is reasonable that they be able to do this. E.g. if they see a bunch of people scrambling across the border, stealing from private property, intimidating ranchers, and so on. If Obama did his job as President (to protect the border) we would not be having this discussion.
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posted on
04/26/2010 12:35:38 PM PDT
by
Winged Hussar
(http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
To: zardozzed
But that might inconvenience some of the people our political masters rub elbows with on the golf course! Out of the question! Aint that the truth. Though I read an article this morning about a business owner facing forfeiture of his restaurant for hiring illegals. I'm not a big fan of forfeiture laws either, but a huge fine or the threat of jail time would do the trick a lot more effectively then this poorly thought out if will-intentioned law.
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posted on
04/26/2010 12:37:26 PM PDT
by
Smogger
To: Favor Center
I have never been stopped at a roadblock in Texas. I have.
Of course we stop people from Alabama. We're not fools.
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posted on
04/26/2010 12:38:34 PM PDT
by
Doe Eyes
To: Favor Center
You do know that our state does this very thing and has for at least the past two years, right?
The Alabama statute will allow police to check the ID's of vehicle occupants on suspicion of legal status, only when the driver is pulled over for some other type of moving violation, or other offense.
The interpretation here is that the AZ law will allow police to pull someone over, simply for RESEMBLING one who might be an illegal alien, just so the officer can check to see if his suspicions are correct.
Now, I haven't confirmed yet if that interpretation is legally accurate, or just uninformed emotional blowback from its passage. If it is legally accurate, then yeah I've got a big problem with it...as should many others if we truly value our liberty. Arizona has a problem and a right to act...but not if it trumps inherent rights.
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posted on
04/26/2010 12:39:12 PM PDT
by
bamahead
(Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
To: Old Teufel Hunden
Perhaps you do not understand the seriousness of the situation. In our area Every Day dozens of cars are driven down the road by illegals without a driver's license, without insurance, without any identification whatsoever.
Every Day! How else are you going to check for that if not in real time? It is not ideal, but neither is declothing at an airport TSA portal, and this overall is significantly more serious than the ramifications from one World Trade massacre (consider statistics for illegal violent crime).
Arizona has chosen by its elected representation to submit to a process which is in fact carried out routinely for other suspicions, lane changing, open bottle, etc. And there were regularly roadblocks for DWI, License, etc.
We are being INVADED, how else can one put it?
If the Chinese Army, i.e. "illegal" invaders walked in enmasse and commandeered our schools and hospitals, but life still went on in some fashion for you and I, would we be complicit?
Of course there are many ways the federal Government could arrest the invasion, employers, border security, hospital reporting, etc. but it will not do it.
And it will not do it intentionally because Democrats want the votes!
How obvious is it?
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posted on
04/26/2010 12:39:50 PM PDT
by
jnsun
(The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
To: bamahead
“The Alabama statute will allow police to check the ID’s of vehicle occupants on suspicion of legal status, only when the driver is pulled over for some other type of moving violation, or other offense.”
Which can and does include DL and insurance inspections.
“Arizona has a problem and a right to act...but not if it trumps inherent rights.”
I'd suggest land mines and free fire zones.
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posted on
04/26/2010 12:41:04 PM PDT
by
Favor Center
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To: Doe Eyes
“Of course we stop people from Alabama. We’re not fools.”
I was a Texas resident at the time.
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posted on
04/26/2010 12:41:36 PM PDT
by
Favor Center
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To: Bokababe
"Seventy-seven percent (77%) of Republicans support the law along with 62% of voters not affiliated with either major party. Democratic voters are evenly divided on the measure. " 100% of Undocumented Democrats opposed the measure...
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posted on
04/26/2010 12:42:02 PM PDT
by
Windflier
(To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
To: Uncle Hal
60% opposed the Health Control Bill as well.
They have an agenda, the will of the people be damned.
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posted on
04/26/2010 12:42:27 PM PDT
by
MrB
(The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
To: Bokababe
Statement: "Nationally, 60% Favor Letting Local Police Stop and Verify Immigration Status"
Response: I agree and would add immediate arrest with deportation within an hour after booking.
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posted on
04/26/2010 12:43:28 PM PDT
by
AEMILIUS PAULUS
(It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
To: Favor Center
I can’t really tell you the last time I got pulled over in Alabama strictly for a DL or insurance inspection. Although I’m sure it does happen. From what I read about how the statute is working out, most all of those arrested as illegals were cited for other, actual traffic offenses.
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posted on
04/26/2010 12:45:33 PM PDT
by
bamahead
(Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
To: reaganaut1
If a cop stops me for running a stop sign, does that mean he demand proof of citizenship for me and everyone in my car? Is that really what people want? Sounds like you're a squish on enforcing the laws on illegal immigration.
Just how do you propose we enforce the law, if you think it's wrong for law enforcement officers to even ask people for proof of legal entry?
Has it occurred to you that if our country aggressively enforced our immigration laws, that in a very short time, no one would be stopped on suspicion of being illegally in this country?
I'm sorry, but illegal immigration is one of the worst problems this country faces. We're either going to get tough about it, or we're going to cease to exist as a sovereign nation.
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posted on
04/26/2010 12:50:18 PM PDT
by
Windflier
(To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
To: Bokababe
We have been changing minds for the past year and a half. The figure used to be at 51%. These 31 % are hard core, not going to change.
To: bamahead
“I cant really tell you the last time I got pulled over in Alabama strictly for a DL or insurance inspection.”
I’ve only hit one once. They closed down both sides of a highway.
“From what I read about how the statute is working out, most all of those arrested as illegals were cited for other, actual traffic offenses.”
That’s the other way to apprehend them, yes.
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posted on
04/26/2010 12:50:28 PM PDT
by
Favor Center
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To: Favor Center
Yeah, I’m not sure how I feel about those and the DUI stops. I have a problem with that stuff also. At Camp Pendleton going up I-5 they have those illegal check stops and I’m not too crazy about those. I guess I have mixed feelings about this is the best way to characterize it.
To: Bokababe
LOLOLOLOL~~~~~~~
The Post of The Day award!!!!!!!!!!
My husband says that we should send Obama to Arizona and let them verify his proof of citizenship. LOL!
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posted on
04/26/2010 12:54:28 PM PDT
by
pollywog
("Under His Wings".........Psalm 91:4)
To: Old Teufel Hunden
“I guess I have mixed feelings about this is the best way to characterize it.”
I understand your point, but I’m not sure those check stops are actually illegal.
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posted on
04/26/2010 12:55:16 PM PDT
by
Favor Center
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To: reaganaut1
How would this law work? I am a citizen and have a drivers license. If a cop stops me for running a stop sign, does that mean he demand proof of citizenship for me and everyone in my car? Is that really what people want? Nope, not me. I value being secure in my person and property and I want my citizen status to continue to be taken for granted by law enforcers. I don't vant to show you ze papers.
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posted on
04/26/2010 12:57:28 PM PDT
by
Theophilus
('a dog is smarter than its tail', but if the tail were smarter, then the tail would 'wag the dog'.)
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