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University of Chicago - The Founder's Constitution ^ | 11/4/1775 | Samuel Adams

Posted on 04/28/2010 5:18:13 AM PDT by Loud Mime

The excerpt:

For no People will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when Knowledge is diffusd and Virtue is preservd. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauchd in their Manners, they will sink under their own Weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders.

The Full Letter:

18

Epilogue: Securing the Republic

CHAPTER 18 | Document 6

Samuel Adams to James Warren

4 Nov. 1775Writings 3:235--37

Let me talk with you a little about the Affairs of our own Colony. I perswade my self, my dear Friend, that the greatest Care and Circumspection will be used to conduct its internal Police with Wisdom and Integrity. The Eyes of Mankind will be upon you to see whether the Government, which is now more popular than it has been for many years past, will be productive of more Virtue moral and political. We may look up to Armies for our Defence, but Virtue is our best Security. It is not possible that any State shd long remain free, where Virtue is not supremely honord. This is as seasonably as it is justly said by one of the most celebrated Writers of the present time. Perhaps the Form of Governmt now adopted & set up in the Colony may be permanent. Should it be only temporary the golden opportunity of recovering the Virtue & reforming the Manners of our Country should be industriously improvd. Our Ancestors in the most early Times laid an excellent Foundation for the security of Liberty by setting up in a few years after their Arrival a publick Seminary of Learning; and by their Laws they obligd every Town consisting of a certain Number of Families to keep and maintain a Grammar School. I shall be very sorry, if it be true as I have been informd, that some of our Towns have dismissd their Schoolmasters, alledging that the extraordinary Expence of defending the Country renders them unable to support them. I hope this Inattention to the Principles of our Forefathers does not prevail. If there should be any Danger of it, would not the leading Gentlemen do eminent Service to the Publick, by impressing upon the Minds of the People, the Necessity & Importance of encouraging that System of Education, which in my opinion is so well calculated to diffuse among the Individuals of the Community the Principles of Morality, so essentially necessary to the Preservation of publick Liberty.

There are Virtues & vices which are properly called political. "Corruption, Dishonesty to ones Country Luxury and Extravagance tend to the Ruin of States." The opposite Virtues tend to their Establishment. But "there is a Connection between Vices as well as Virtues and one opens the Door for the Entrance of another." Therefore "Wise and able Politicians will guard against other Vices," and be attentive to promote every Virtue. He who is void of virtuous Attachments in private Life, is, or very soon will be void of all Regard for his Country. There is seldom an Instance of a Man guilty of betraying his Country, who had not before lost the Feeling of moral Obligations in his private Connections. Before [Dr. Benjamin Church, Jr.] was detected of holding a criminal Correspondence with the Enemies of his Country, his Infidelity to his Wife had been notorious. Since private and publick Vices, are in Reality, though not always apparently, so nearly connected, of how much Importance, how necessary is it, that the utmost Pains be taken by the Publick, to have the Principles of Virtue early inculcated on the Minds even of Children, and the moral Sense kept alive, and that the wise Institutions of our Ancestors for these great Purposes be encouragd by the Government. For no People will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when Knowledge is diffusd and Virtue is preservd. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauchd in their Manners, they will sink under their own Weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders.

The Founders' Constitution
Volume 1, Chapter 18, Document 6
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch18s6.html
The University of Chicago Press

The Writings of Samuel Adams. Edited by Harry Alonzo Cushing.
4 vols. New York: G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1904--8.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: quote; samueladams

1 posted on 04/28/2010 5:18:13 AM PDT by Loud Mime
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To: Bokababe; fieldmarshaldj; Pollster1; Rummyfan; eyedigress; AlmaKing; Islaminaction; TigersEye; ...

ping


2 posted on 04/28/2010 5:18:44 AM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics -- Download the graph)
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To: Loud Mime

Deserves a bump


3 posted on 04/28/2010 5:19:21 AM PDT by Tribune7 (It is immoral to claim the tea parties to be racist)
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To: Vision; definitelynotaliberal; Mother Mary; FoxInSocks; 300magnum; NonValueAdded; sauropod; ...

ping


4 posted on 04/28/2010 5:21:08 AM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics -- Download the graph)
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To: Loud Mime
On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauchd in their Manners, they will sink under their own Weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders.

A perfect snapshot of current America.

5 posted on 04/28/2010 5:21:42 AM PDT by highlander_UW (First we take down the Democrats, then we clean the Augean stable that is the GOP.)
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Bookmark


6 posted on 04/28/2010 5:24:17 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Loud Mime

A most fitting piece of writing for our times.


7 posted on 04/28/2010 5:27:05 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Loud Mime
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious.
But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.
But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.
For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.
He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.
A murderer is less to be feared."

-- Marcus Tullius Cicero
8 posted on 04/28/2010 5:28:04 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States … shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: highlander_UW
The President Who Won't Grow Up

What does this make his followers?

9 posted on 04/28/2010 5:28:12 AM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics -- Download the graph)
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To: sickoflibs; mkjessup

PING


10 posted on 04/28/2010 5:28:14 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Diogenesis

You beat me to it. (Although I planned to include the picture of a certain person temporarily living on Pennsylvania Avenue.)


11 posted on 04/28/2010 5:32:23 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( - Free Men will always be armed with the Truth. - [ me ] -)
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To: smokingfrog

I think you should post that anyway!


12 posted on 04/28/2010 5:36:53 AM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics -- Download the graph)
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To: Loud Mime
Virtue is our best Security
13 posted on 04/28/2010 5:37:56 AM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics -- Download the graph)
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To: Loud Mime

14 posted on 04/28/2010 5:38:15 AM PDT by Semper Mark (Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms. - Aristotle)
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To: Loud Mime

15 posted on 04/28/2010 5:38:40 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (Warmists as "traffic light" apocalyptics: "Greens too yellow to admit they're really Reds."-Monckton)
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To: Diogenesis

16 posted on 04/28/2010 5:41:03 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( Ridicule is the best test of truth. - Philip Dormer Shanhope, Lord Chesterfield)
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To: Loud Mime

Adams argues that public schools are the best means of promoting virtue? Clearly, the schools are promoting their concept of virtue. How’s that working out for us?


17 posted on 04/28/2010 5:42:15 AM PDT by Huck (Q: How can you tell a party is in the majority? A: They're complaining about the fillibuster.)
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To: Loud Mime

“When People are universally ignorant, and debauchd in their Manners, they will sink under their own Weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders”

A bit long for a bumper sticker....but I’ll think of something.


18 posted on 04/28/2010 5:49:17 AM PDT by G Larry (DNC is comprised of REGRESSIVES!)
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To: Loud Mime

Democratic and Democracy are two words not found anywhere in the U.S. Constitution.. for good reason.. No democracy has ever been democratic.. There is always an elite running things in a democracy.. Mob Rule by mobsters.. or a loose amalgam of mobs.. with an elite Mob at the top..


19 posted on 04/28/2010 5:50:57 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Loud Mime

My favorite of his....

“If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

Samuel Adams


20 posted on 04/28/2010 6:02:10 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: NavyCanDo

“The Constitution shall never be construed... to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.”

Samuel Adams


21 posted on 04/28/2010 6:02:59 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: NavyCanDo

Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: First a right to life, secondly to liberty, and thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can.

Samuel Adams


22 posted on 04/28/2010 6:04:00 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Loud Mime
Nothing is more certain than that a general profligacy and corruption of manners make a people ripe for destruction. A good form of government may hold the rotten materials together for some time, but beyond a certain pitch, even the best constitution will be ineffectual, and slavery must ensue.

John Witherspoon, The Dominion of Providence Over the Passions of Men, 1776

Sam Adams and John Witherspoon were and are exactly correct! Where do you suppose we are today?

23 posted on 04/28/2010 6:10:57 AM PDT by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: hosepipe
Democratic and Democracy are two words not found anywhere in the U.S. Constitution.. for good reason.. No democracy has ever been democratic.. There is always an elite running things in a democracy.. Mob Rule by mobsters.. or a loose amalgam of mobs.. with an elite Mob at the top..

That's exactly right! The founders abhorred the very thought of a democracy but Karl Marx and Frederick Engles absolutely LOVED the idea!

24 posted on 04/28/2010 6:16:00 AM PDT by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: NavyCanDo

Ohhh...great quote. Thanks for the tip!


25 posted on 04/28/2010 6:16:45 AM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics -- Download the graph)
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To: Huck

“Adams argues that public schools are the best means of promoting virtue? Clearly, the schools are promoting their concept of virtue. How’s that working out for us?”

Samual Adams had it right. So what happened along the way?

The founders of the United States believed that useful education — that which produced liberty – must have its foundation in Christianity.

Education in colonial America was primarily centered in the home and church, with the Bible being the focal point of all education. Schools were started to provide a Christian education to those who were not able to receive such training at home and to supplement home education. The first schools were started by the church.

Colleges and universities were started as seminaries to train a godly and literate clergy. In fact, 106 of the first 108 colleges were founded on the Christian faith.

The father of the American Revolution, Samuel Adams, declared that education in the principles of the Christian religion is the means of renovating our age. He wrote in a letter on October 4, 1790, to John Adams, then vice president of the United States:

“Let divines and philosophers, statesmen and patriots, unite their endeavors to renovate the age, by impressing the minds of men with the importance of educating their little boys and girls, of inculcating in the minds of youth the fear and love of the Deity and universal philanthropy, and in subordination to these great principles, the love of their country; of instructing them in the art of self-government, without which they never can act a wise part in the government of societies, great or small; in short, of leading them in the study and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system.”


26 posted on 04/28/2010 6:16:57 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Huck

if shcools are the best means of promoting anything, they can promote the loss of virtue as well.

What was it that Stalin or Lenin said about the powers of controlling schools?


27 posted on 04/28/2010 6:18:44 AM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics -- Download the graph)
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To: hosepipe

But the Federalist Papers have many references to Democracy, all bad.


28 posted on 04/28/2010 6:19:50 AM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics -- Download the graph)
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To: Bigun

The founders also believed that the Federal government should have nothing to do with Education.


29 posted on 04/28/2010 6:21:22 AM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics -- Download the graph)
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To: Loud Mime
Wow. He sure wasn't kidding. What a brilliant man.
30 posted on 04/28/2010 6:24:10 AM PDT by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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To: Loud Mime

BFL


31 posted on 04/28/2010 6:35:31 AM PDT by zeugma (Waco taught me everything I needed to know about the character of the U.S. Government.)
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To: Loud Mime; Joe 6-pack

I’d missed that - and it is spot on. Thanks for posting it.


32 posted on 04/28/2010 8:42:58 AM PDT by definitelynotaliberal (My respect and admiration for Cmdr. McCain are inversely proportion to my opinion of Sen. McCain.)
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To: smokingfrog

Current Occupant of White House - COWH. I always call him the cow because I’ll be damned if I’m going to call him the President.


33 posted on 04/28/2010 8:44:03 AM PDT by definitelynotaliberal (My respect and admiration for Cmdr. McCain are inversely proportion to my opinion of Sen. McCain.)
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To: steelyourfaith

It’s so hard to pick a favorite quote from that orator.


34 posted on 04/28/2010 8:44:59 AM PDT by definitelynotaliberal (My respect and admiration for Cmdr. McCain are inversely proportion to my opinion of Sen. McCain.)
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To: Loud Mime
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35 posted on 04/28/2010 8:54:22 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: Loud Mime

Thanks for the Ping.


36 posted on 04/28/2010 9:04:03 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: Loud Mime

I am simply amazed at the wisdom of these men.


37 posted on 04/28/2010 9:08:43 AM PDT by vpintheak (Love of God, Family and Country has made me an extremist.)
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To: Loud Mime

Thanks for posting this. ‘Pod.


38 posted on 04/28/2010 9:17:57 AM PDT by sauropod (Ill behaved women rarely make dinner.)
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To: Loud Mime
To beer!!!

Oh wait, wrong thread...

39 posted on 04/28/2010 10:39:12 AM PDT by wastedyears (The Founders revolted for less.)
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To: wastedyears

Black Lager?


40 posted on 04/28/2010 11:22:07 AM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics -- Download the graph)
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To: Loud Mime
But the Federalist Papers have many references to Democracy, all bad.

In the Federalist papers we're covering in the next few weeks, a democracy is contrasted with a republic. The result is that the conditions for a democracy are different from the conditions for a republic. It's scholarly criticism, not a condemnation.

41 posted on 04/28/2010 12:39:44 PM PDT by Publius (Unless the Constitution is followed, it is simply a piece of paper.)
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To: Publius
From Federalist 10, which has been already covered:

Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.

The readers may use the above link to read the context of the paper.

42 posted on 04/28/2010 1:26:23 PM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics -- Download the graph)
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To: Loud Mime

The founders abhorred the idea of a democracy and that is a fact!


43 posted on 04/28/2010 2:02:12 PM PDT by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: Huck
We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion....Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. -Sam Adams 1798

Great video:
Is America A Christian Nation? - David Barton

44 posted on 04/28/2010 2:55:56 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Loud Mime

Is that why one of the first acts of congress after yorktown was to print bibles for all the schools in the country?


45 posted on 04/28/2010 3:05:56 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Loud Mime

Never knew they made something like it, never seen it either. I just posted the picture because it was article about Samuel Adams’ words.


46 posted on 04/28/2010 3:37:16 PM PDT by wastedyears (The Founders revolted for less.)
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To: wastedyears

I’ve never seen anything like that either.

In Germany they had a dark bier called Kulmbacher 28. It was 28% alcohol....56 proof!

My brother and I once shared a couple of bottles; he said it had been a LONG time since he felt that way after 2 beers.


47 posted on 04/28/2010 5:03:19 PM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics -- Download the graph)
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To: wastedyears
Looks tasty.

If you want to know where the US is heading, just look at the Bay Area of Kalifornia and its sister region Mexico. Nothing but a bunch of small time mobsters controlling a majority of the private and public sectors. If you want to know what a big time mobster looks like, just look below.

Not a bad gig if you are near the top of that pyramid.

48 posted on 04/28/2010 9:05:06 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Loud Mime
Since private and publick Vices, are in Reality, though not always apparently, so nearly connected...

Dedicated to all those liberals who said that Clinton's private dalliances had nothing to do with his performance as President.

49 posted on 04/28/2010 9:45:04 PM PDT by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: WVKayaker

That picture irritates the **** out of me!


50 posted on 04/30/2010 6:19:40 AM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics -- Download the graph)
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