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(Vanity question) Aren't "green cards" considered "papers"?
n/a ^ | 4-28-10 | Myself

Posted on 04/28/2010 11:10:41 AM PDT by Texas Eagle

I heard a caller tell Rush Limbaugh that he was a Green Card holder and that when he received his card he also received a packet of information which contained instructions for him to have his Card with him at all times.

So, my question is: Isn't the Obama administration guilty of Nazi like tactics also?


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1 posted on 04/28/2010 11:10:41 AM PDT by Texas Eagle
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To: Texas Eagle

I heard Rush Limbaugh say that Lifelock was the bomb.

He also spoke highly of Sleep Number beds.

Have you posted threads about those things?


2 posted on 04/28/2010 11:12:28 AM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: Texas Eagle

Si...............


3 posted on 04/28/2010 11:15:41 AM PDT by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: Texas Eagle

Every time I ever got pulled over by a traffic cop I was asked for my papers - ususlly referred to as my license.


4 posted on 04/28/2010 11:16:21 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity

Every time I am pulled over by a cop he asks me for three papers; license, registration and proof of insurance.


5 posted on 04/28/2010 11:20:08 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
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To: Texas Eagle
So, my question is: Isn't the Obama administration guilty of Nazi like tactics also?

No, it is hate speech to accuse him of any similarities to policies instituted by the Nazis. But the media and White House are perfectly permitted to draw the same comparisons between Arizona law and Nazi policies.

You can't spell Nazi without AZ.

6 posted on 04/28/2010 11:20:08 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The hysteria of Matthewsism and Andersonism has led to a Tea Party Scare that is unAmerican.)
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To: Texas Eagle

My husband used to have a green card. He was never instructed to carry it at all times. We did have to produce it for his employers. Of course, this was years ago, and now he’s naturalized...but once you’re naturalized, you have no “card” to prove legal status other than your naturalization certificate, which is big, bulky, and fragile (we safeguard his so it doesn’t get destroyed.)

If someone walked up to you right now and said “Prove your’e a citizen”...how would you do that? Do you carry papers on you that would prove you’re a citizen? I think a voter’s ID or birth certificate is the closest thing we have to that, but many people don’t carry those with them.


7 posted on 04/28/2010 11:20:31 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Ben Mugged

When I went to renew my driver’s license (which had not yet expired) I had to go in person because even though they had my social security number on file (required for all men to prove they are not deadbeat dads in Texas), they had to physically SEE my SS card AND I think they also needed more documentation (passport or birth certificate I think).

And our president doesn’t have to show squat.

Consider this when he speaks out against AZ and papers. Arizona also recently passed a law to require proper paperwork to get on the ballot in 2012.


8 posted on 04/28/2010 11:23:06 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The hysteria of Matthewsism and Andersonism has led to a Tea Party Scare that is unAmerican.)
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To: Texas Eagle

http://www.usaimmigrationsupport.com/greencard.html


9 posted on 04/28/2010 11:23:22 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: dawn53

>>If someone walked up to you right now and said “Prove your’e a citizen”...how would you do that?<<

Pull my social security card out of my wallet.


10 posted on 04/28/2010 11:24:02 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: circlecity

When I travel abroad, something I do quite often, I am required to carry my passport. I do not have the same rights as the citizens of the country of which I am a guest. In many countries upon entering I must state where I will be staying, the purpose of my visit, when I will be leaving, how much cash I am traveling with and other inquiries that I may feel are intrusive.


11 posted on 04/28/2010 11:25:46 AM PDT by nj patriot (Gore is beyond help.... Snakes in the head.)
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To: Ben Mugged

A license doesn’t prove citizenship...every state has different requirements, and some are so weak that an illegal can get a driver’s license, as well as own a car and get insurance.


12 posted on 04/28/2010 11:26:39 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: dawn53

Show my genuine, state issued ID? Is this a trick question?


13 posted on 04/28/2010 11:27:16 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: dawn53

I had to present my birth certificate to get my DL. Do they just give them out in your state with no documentation?


14 posted on 04/28/2010 11:29:22 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: netmilsmom

I don’t carry mine, but if they are going to enforce this law, then they need to set down specific parameters as to what will “prove” legal status. I know people can be here legally, and still not have a social security card. My next door neighbor is German, he’s here legally, but doesn’t have a green card, or a SSnumber. So there is going to have to be some sort of specification as to what proves you’re legal and what doesn’t.


15 posted on 04/28/2010 11:29:51 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: netmilsmom
Pull my social security card out of my wallet.

A man from the Social Security office briefed my preretirement Transition Assistance Program class.

He said your social security card should be kept in a safe place and not in your wallet. It's a valuable tool for identity theft. If someone were to steal your wallet you might be in a world of hurt!

16 posted on 04/28/2010 11:29:52 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: dawn53
I didn't say it did. I carry a military ID which is accepted as proof of citizenship as does my wife (who is Hispanic). When we travel close to the border (north or south) we both carry passports (and a double barreled shotgun).
17 posted on 04/28/2010 11:30:06 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
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To: Texas Eagle

I was a green card holder from the age of 5 until about 33.

That is correct. You ARE REQUIRED by LAW to have your green card on your person at all times, starting at the age of 18.

You used to have to also report your current address every year, but that is no longer required.


18 posted on 04/28/2010 11:30:30 AM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: jospehm20
I had to present my birth certificate to get my DL. Do they just give them out in your state with no documentation?

New Mexico issues drivers licenses to illegal immigrants.

19 posted on 04/28/2010 11:33:42 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Liberal Logic: Mandatory health insurance is constitutional - enforcing immigration law is not.)
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To: jospehm20

They just now started making strict rules in Florida...so no, I didn’t have to show my birth certificate when I got mine years and years ago. I haven’t shown up at a DMV for years either, I’ve renewed by mail. I did have to show proof of residency, but anyone could have that.

Each state sets their own rules, I think NC has the easiest rules to get a driver’s license. Check it out, you don’t need a birth certificate.
http://www.ncdot.org/DMV/driver_services/drivingpublic/applying.html


20 posted on 04/28/2010 11:35:11 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: humblegunner

Don’t be an idiot.


21 posted on 04/28/2010 11:36:24 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: netmilsmom
Pull my social security card out of my wallet.

My foreign wife has a social security card. It looks just like mine with a different name and number.

She's not a citizen, only a permanent resident. In fact, she received her SS card when she was only a conditional resident.

22 posted on 04/28/2010 11:36:59 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Texas Eagle

I used to be a green card holder
on the card which is pink by the way it states that I had to carry it everywhere I went when I left the house

now when bozo and the far left say they can just come up to you which is false and then say they will ask for papers then that is true.

why

because fed law makes it so .
now if the rats and bozo does not like this then I suggest they change federal law and state to the public how thye will now get rid of immigration cards and laws


23 posted on 04/28/2010 11:38:04 AM PDT by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: Texas Eagle
All registered aliens over 18 years of age must carry evidence of registration. INA sec. 264(e), 8 U.S.C. 1304(e). The failure to carry evidence of registration is a misdemeanor offense. Id. The Form I551 is a form of evidence of registration issued to individuals who are LPRs. 8 CFR 264.1(b).

8 USC Sec. 1304

(e) Personal possession of registration or receipt card; penalties

Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.

24 posted on 04/28/2010 11:39:00 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: humblegunner
I heard Rush Limbaugh say that Lifelock was the bomb. He also spoke highly of Sleep Number beds.

No. Would it bother you if I did?

If so, I'll get right on it.

25 posted on 04/28/2010 11:39:37 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: humblegunner
Let me try that again....

I heard Rush Limbaugh say that Lifelock was the bomb. He also spoke highly of Sleep Number beds. Have you posted threads about those things?

No. Would it bother you if I did? If so, I'll get right on it.

That's better.

26 posted on 04/28/2010 11:41:20 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: dawn53
Do you carry papers on you that would prove you’re a citizen?

SS card and a DL will do it.

27 posted on 04/28/2010 11:42:24 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("And the pony looked a little bored...")
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To: Texas Eagle
No. Would it bother you if I did?

Heck no!

Shouldn't EVERYTHING that he says be immortalized?

28 posted on 04/28/2010 11:42:50 AM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: Texas Eagle
So, my question is: Isn't the Obama administration guilty of Nazi like tactics also?

That requirement predates the Obama administration by a number of years.

29 posted on 04/28/2010 11:44:02 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: manc

8 usc 1304 (e)

(e) Personal possession of registration or receipt card; penalties Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.


30 posted on 04/28/2010 11:44:09 AM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: TruthConquers

When I was young I remember an ad on TV reminding all resident aliens in the US to report to the Post Office once a year.


31 posted on 04/28/2010 11:46:47 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: rolling_stone

exactly
I carried my green card at all times and showed it when asked

so this new thing about stopping ans asking was already ahppening it is AZ who said they will enforce the law in their state and now the rats are saying it seems that they are for those who break the law

HEY GOP YOU HEAR THIS MAKE AN AD AND INFORM THE DEMOCRATS THAT THEIR PARTY STANDS FOR THOSE BREAKING THE LAW

Get the rats on record and make AD’s to show their voters and show how they are giving up America to intimidation, and thuggery


32 posted on 04/28/2010 11:47:35 AM PDT by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: CholeraJoe
"SS card and a DL will do it. "

As a point of factual accuracy, neither a DL nor a SS card reference anyone's citizenship status, or immigration status. Both can be, and frequently are, obtained absent citizenship. In some states, they may be obtained absent legalized residency

33 posted on 04/28/2010 11:47:44 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Texas Eagle
From my husband's green card in the 90s (which was really pink back then, not sure what color they are now).
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I remember when he got it I was surprised the word 'possession' was misspelled! Have to say as well, I sure don't remember him going on and on about having to carry this green card in his wallet reminded him of the Nazis forcing people to 'show their papers'! I DO remember how very proud he was that he had moved closer with this step to becoming an AMERICAN CITIZEN, and he proudly carried that pink card in his wallet (never would have touched the thing otherwise).
34 posted on 04/28/2010 11:49:41 AM PDT by pillut48 ("Stand now. Stand together. Stand for what is right."-Gov.Sarah Palin, "Going Rogue" ><>)
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To: Ben Mugged; Texas Eagle

Green Card Holders do have to carry the green cards on them at all times, but they usually only show them to Immigration Officials & State Department.

The Difference in Ben’s scenario, he was doing something that caught the cops attention & driving is a privileged not a right.

But the Arizona law allows a cop to stop any person and demand proof of citizenship. A driver’s license isn’t proof of legality. A social security number isn’t proof of legality (and quite easy to forge). A birth certificate is easy to forge (to paraphrase a t-shirt “Sure Officer, all Maine Birth Certificates are written in crayon). To prove legality you would need to carry around a valid US Passport.

And here’s the thing, you might think you are “OK” but the cops are going to have to have the racial numbers balance out. They’ll be stopping more white people. And they’ll be taking in more white people who don’t have the appropriate ID.


35 posted on 04/28/2010 11:50:22 AM PDT by maddogconservative
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To: dawn53

My naturalized husband has a LEGAL driver’s license, which is easily checked on the DMV computers...


36 posted on 04/28/2010 11:50:59 AM PDT by pillut48 ("Stand now. Stand together. Stand for what is right."-Gov.Sarah Palin, "Going Rogue" ><>)
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To: Texas Eagle

This is an interesting question. The federal government opened the door to this with Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, 542 U.S. 177 (2004), where the Supremes held that, during the course of an investigation (which would include a routine traffic stop), the police where within their right to ask for ID from the person they’ve stopped. They can also detain such a person if no ID is provided, pursuant to making a positive ID.


37 posted on 04/28/2010 11:51:40 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

In my state (IN) a birth certificate or passport in addition to an out of state license are required. I believe they will accept a green card, but note such on the license.


38 posted on 04/28/2010 11:52:27 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("And the pony looked a little bored...")
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To: Texas Eagle
Green Card

This site 3 paragraph down says they are to carry papers at all times or it will be a misdeamenor.

39 posted on 04/28/2010 11:54:00 AM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: Texas Eagle

Current Federal Law:

(e) Personal possession of registration or receipt card; penalties Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to subsection (d) of this section.
Any alien who fails to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.


40 posted on 04/28/2010 11:55:52 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: CholeraJoe
"In my state (IN) a birth certificate or passport in addition to an out of state license are required. I believe they will accept a green card, but note such on the license."

That's how it works in the two states I live, OH & FL (I think FL). But, from what I understand, there are several states that issue DLs to illegals.

Also, residency is not necessarily a requirement for obtaining a SS card. There are some situations where someone in the country illegally could be in legal possession of a SSN. I have been told that these cars look different than normal cards. But, I don't know independently, if this is accurate.

41 posted on 04/28/2010 11:57:37 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: IYAS9YAS

I guess a NM license wouldn’t do then.


42 posted on 04/28/2010 11:58:15 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: maddogconservative
But the Arizona law allows a cop to stop any person and demand proof of citizenship.

20 FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY

21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS

22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS

23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,

24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE

25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).

Allows them to stop them "FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT" not just on a whim.

43 posted on 04/28/2010 11:58:23 AM PDT by YoungHickey (Is it time yet, Claire?)
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To: CholeraJoe

Those would do it, but as was mentioned in a previous post, a DL doesn’t prove anything (some states do not require birth certificats or proof of citizenship), and people aren’t encouraged to carry their SS card with them...we keep ours in a strong box. In fact the gov’t sites tell you not to carry your SS card with you. From the SS site in answer to the question is it legal to laminate my SS card:

No it is not illegal, but it’s best not to laminate your card. Laminated cards make it difficult, if not impossible, to detect important security features and an employer may refuse to accept it.

The Social Security Act requires the Commissioner of Social Security to issue cards that cannot be counterfeited. We incorporate many features that protect the card’s integrity. That includes highly specialized paper and printing techniques—some visible to the naked eye and some not. Further, we continue to actively explore and adopt new technologies that hamper duplication.

Keep your Social Security card in a safe place with your other important papers. Do not carry it with you.

http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/ssa.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1412


44 posted on 04/28/2010 11:59:17 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: dawn53

I had to show my BC in Texas years ago.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/DriverLicense/identificationrequirements.htm


45 posted on 04/28/2010 11:59:24 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: dawn53
My next door neighbor is German, he’s here legally, but doesn’t have a green card, or a SSnumber

Your neighbor must be here on a German Passport with a US issued Visa.

46 posted on 04/28/2010 12:03:29 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: YoungHickey
"Allows them to stop them "FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT" not just on a whim. "

The term "for any lawful contact" is so overly broad, it's effectively meaningless.

47 posted on 04/28/2010 12:04:25 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: ASA Vet

Yes he’s legal, and yes he has those documents, I’m sure, but he doesn’t carry them with him. And that’s my point, they’re going to have to lay down specifics as to what a person should carry with them in order to prove they’re legal. Say they have a NC driver’s license, well that proves nothing. In a previous link, I posted the requirements for a NC license and you don’t need a birth certificate. It’s just so ambiguous, the talk of “papers”...they’ll have to set down specifics.


48 posted on 04/28/2010 12:07:19 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: dawn53

Since the attacks on September 11, 2001, Virginia has really toughened up their license requirements. Now you are required to provide your long form birth certificate if you want a driver’s license. I believe existing license holders are grandfathered, but my wife, who moved here from Michigan had to provide her choice of a long form birth certificate or U.S. Passport.

Now Virginia has switched to these high-tech licenses. They are ugly but supposedly are more tamper proof with regard to faking.


49 posted on 04/28/2010 12:10:14 PM PDT by Crolis ("Nemo me impune lacessit!" - "No one provokes me with impunity!")
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To: a fool in paradise

And....

Did I hear that Texas is now going to require a copy of your birth certificate before you can next renew your drivers license?

Unless of course, you’re a Kenyan posing as the President.


50 posted on 04/28/2010 12:12:37 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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