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Puerto Rico - 51st State? Congress Scrambling To Make It So
Big Government ^ | April 28, 2010 | Kristinn Taylor and Andrea Shea King

Posted on 04/28/2010 4:47:55 PM PDT by yoe

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To: Mr. Mojo

Next’ll be 2 senators and a house member for DC, statehood for Guam, statehood for the Virgin Islands, and divide up a couple of blue states into 2 or 3 pieces to get more senators. Could get to 57 easily. With it comes a permanent communist majority. We could elect all the Repubs we possibly can and still not have a majority or a filibuster.


81 posted on 04/28/2010 6:58:27 PM PDT by Emile ("Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." -- A. Huxley)
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To: yoe

We all know what the dems are up to. They need votes. They know they’re toast. We MUST block voter fraud!


82 posted on 04/28/2010 7:08:28 PM PDT by Indy Pendance (Gone Galt)
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To: manc

A WHOLE LOT of conservatives better come to NC to turn it red. We’ve gotten a lot of the libs from the northeast who are trying to escape their failed socialism, only to implement it anew in NC. Asheville, Durham, and Chapel Hill are socialist, and Charlotte is solidly blue and is the highest taxed jurisdiction in the Southeast. Plus, we have the better part of a million Hispanics, most probably illegal. It’ll take millions of conservatives to give NC a chance to restore constitutional rule.


83 posted on 04/28/2010 7:10:12 PM PDT by Emile ("Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." -- A. Huxley)
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I thought PR typically elected and their majority party, although called the New Progressive Party was the conservative party.


84 posted on 04/28/2010 7:10:49 PM PDT by Def Conservative (Obama is a joke.)
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To: RicocheT

I heard Rush talking about it today. He was saying they would get more government help then they are now. And yes it’s all about democrats staying in power anyway they can.


85 posted on 04/28/2010 7:12:42 PM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: yoe

Called my Representative Adam Putnam(R) who is co-sponsoring this bill.
His staff member was polite but started to spew talking points about how this just lets the PR people make up their own minds. Well I lit into him at that point. I asked if they would please watch GB’s show this evening. They were aware of it and said that they were planning to watch it. Funny how the only place I have seen anything about this is on this site and Big Government. I am so upset tonight. I want to throw in the towel, cash in my chips and go to Australia! Does anyone think that Rush,Hannity or Fox is going to talk about this tomorrow?


86 posted on 04/28/2010 7:16:24 PM PDT by marygam ((Obama is not a messiah, wake up folks!))
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To: penelopesire
If they vote for it..WE VOTE THEM OUT!

Sure kept 'em from voting for "health" "care" "reform".

When are we all going to get it through our heads that they don't care what we think? They don't care about being voted out. They intend to ram the whole agenda through before a new congress is inaugurated in January, and we won't do a thing about it. And once it's in, it's not going away, at least by political means.

Sorry to be the bearer of the bad news.

87 posted on 04/28/2010 7:20:07 PM PDT by Emile ("Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." -- A. Huxley)
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To: Emile

I lived in PR for three years from 2000 to 2003. Believe me, the PR’s do NOT want to be a state. They have it pretty good the way it is....


88 posted on 04/28/2010 7:24:22 PM PDT by micmac
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To: Emile

I am sorry to be the bearer of facts. When we stand up to the republicans with conservative values....they back down. Name me ONE republican congresscritter that voted for the healthcare bill? NONE..ZIP..ZERO...NADA...not one in the senate and not one in the house.

Another fact...the republicans can’t stop anything right now. The democrats have the majority and have had it since the election of 2006. Here’s a homework assignment. Go look at the unemployment rate in the fall of 2006(when the dimwits won) and compare it to now!

If you want a picture of WHO is ramming nasty things down your throat..you need look no further than Reid,Pelosi and Obama and the entire marxist puppets that are supporting them.

NUFF SAID.....


89 posted on 04/28/2010 7:28:45 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: yoe

Well...

the Kenyan DID say he would transform America for ever...

and the Kenyan’s wife said that the Kenyan would NEVER allow us to ever go back.


90 posted on 04/28/2010 7:28:55 PM PDT by R0CK3T
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To: Tzimisce
Why?

It’s called “Keeping Control of Congress.”

It’s called “2 more liberal Democrat Senators”.

It’s called “More liberal Democrat House Seats.”

If Puerto Rico had a conservative history, the Congress would be looking for a way to keep it from voting.


Suppose there was a solution whereby the politics is removed from the issue of statehood for Puerto Rico. Would people be more accepting of Puerto Rico's statehood and would Puerto Ricans be welcome with open arms and without the bigots who always show up to deride Puerto Ricans as dependents and a drain on the U.S. and un-American in many ways?

Puerto Rico has gone back and forth in their politics and they've had different parties in control at different times, even if most times they've had liberals leading the island.

But currently, they have a "republican" governor, even if by some standards he's kind of a RINO. (Heck, there are plenty of RINOs in the mainland party anyway).

So, how to we take party politics out of the equation?

Puerto Rico would get 2 senators and perhaps 6 representatives.

To appease both major political parties, why not split the sharing of the new political power of PR by making sure that, at least initially, the parties get equal representation in Puerto Rico.

So, we'd end up with one republican senator and one democrat senator, and 3 representatives for each party. And that political makeup could remain the same for at least 6 years, and from then on, after the dust has settled, elections could be held for regular competitive elections.

Some people might be upset at that kind of resolution, but it would be only fair, and party politics wouldn't be involved in the initial voting for statehood. .
91 posted on 04/28/2010 7:30:24 PM PDT by adorno
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To: yoe

I support independence for Puerto Rico. They have their own 500 plus year old culture.


92 posted on 04/28/2010 7:36:36 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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To: adorno
PLEASE Adorno! The PNP (statehood party) has caucused with both the Democrats and Republicans over the years. It isn't bigoted to point out the islands poverty (looks good compared to Haiti or even DR, but NOT compared to the US), the fact that the median IQ is 89, the fact that most people speak Spanish and only know very poor English, and the fact that San Juan would have one the highest violent crime rates in the US (and PR as a state would have the highest rate of violent crime of the now 51 would it become a state).

Romero Barcelo (a Pay-Nay-Pay who caucused with the Dems) himself wrote a book called "Statehood is for the Poor." Its all about getting more bennies from Uncle Sap, just as billions were wasted in creating a Potemkin Village economy via Operation Bootstrap.

As long as PR remains a Commonwealth, its inhabitants are free to take a plane to Orlando, New York, Boston, etc. and live amongst their own in the Boricua diaspora. Then they can enjoy being full Americans, and at least learning some ghetto English. Statehood is a pipedream, that will only happen due to vote hungry Democrats and spineless Republicans who are afraid of being called "racist" for not wanting a Third World country to become a state.

93 posted on 04/28/2010 7:39:00 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: yoe

I’d rather have Guam.


94 posted on 04/28/2010 7:59:36 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: penelopesire
Can't disagree with anything you say. I still believe, however, that Republicans will make a big deal about campaigning to repeal all the bad stuff the Dems are ramming to us. And when in the majority, they'll find an excuse not to repeal any of it (BTW, it's 2013 before they even could, anyway). By the time they have the ability to repeal, too many of the dependent class will be getting too many free things, and the Republicans, as usual, will lose what spine they might have had.

The only two things that will undo the 0 agenda are open revolt and bankruptcy. I think the latter is more likely. We can also do what we can to starve the behemoth in the meantime. That would make it less likely for socialism to have any success, and would hasten the bankruptcy.

95 posted on 04/28/2010 8:06:57 PM PDT by Emile ("Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." -- A. Huxley)
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To: yoe

ARGH!!!!!!! NOOOOO, I CAN’T TAKE IT ANYMORE!


96 posted on 04/28/2010 8:11:09 PM PDT by MissyMack66
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To: Vince Ferrer

Odd that our last civil war was also preceeded by years of the free state/slave state territorial games that are being recreated in the census, immigration reform, now statehood issues.
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Yoe, I wondered if anyone else would pick up on this thought too. This is the very first thing that crossed my mind. It was the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854, proposed by Congressman Stephen Douglas, and after three months of debate, passed by Congress and signed by President Pierce that created two new states, one ostensibly “free,” and one “slave.”

The part that really struck a cord in my memory, however, was the inclusion of the so-called “popular sovereignty” provision which caused both proslavery and antislavery forces to rush into Kansas in particular and apply full strength and pressure to gain decisions in their own favor — by groups such as the EMIGRANT AID COMPANY....Hmmmm... THe resulting border war between Kansas and Missouri was a precursor to the War Against States Rights (aka the “Civil War”).

Think about the parallels. Today, the Federal Government is not using slaves as the convenient “victims,” it’s “illegal aliens,” most of whom are Hispanics. If you oppose Illegal immigration you are a — “racist.” Just the same, if you now oppose Puerto Rican statehood you will be called a — “racist.” They are already in full “race-baiting” mode right now in Arizona — expect it to get MUCH worse.

If the PR Progressive Party follows the platform Glenn Beck pointed out on his TV program — THEIR 2008 party platform, then the “non-binding” vote that Congress may agree to tomorrow in HR 2499 (which includes 58 Republican co-sponsors — which is why I call them the STUPID party), then the vote in PeurtoRico will ask the people if they want to keep the “Status Quo?” If history holds, 60% will say NO — because about 60% ALTOGETHER want independence, statehood or modified commonwealth, rather than the current “status quo” commonwealth. With the “status quo” removed, generally the people will choose statehood over the other 2 choices by a 3-2 margin. Then, the Progressives who lead Peurto Rico will draft their Constitution (wanna bet it’s already written?), elect their 2 new Senators and 6 Congressmen, send them to Washington, and DEMAND that they be seated — which is what Tennessee did back in 1796.

Then, of course, Washington, DC might demand to do the same thing — and there’s at least 3 more Democrat Congressmen and two Senators if they demand representation just as a State. And, of course, Our Democrat President and his benificent Congress would certainly oblige.

In short, all this could happen in short order. It may not happen by November — but it could happen by year’s end. Now imagine this scenario. On election day, the Republicans win an amazing 45 seats in the House to retake the Majority 223-212; and they win 10 seats in the Senate, jumping from 41 seats to 51, while the Democrats decline from 57 to 47 (+ 2 INdependents that caucus with Dems). HOWEVER, on the SAME election day, Puerto Rico voted in the second stage of their referedum to seek statehoos with almost 60% of the popular vote. The “State” officials - elected at the same time by Puerto Ricans - Governor, two “Senators,” and six “Congressmen,” present themselves and their newly written State Constitution to the lame duck Democrat Congress in December, 2010, demanding they be accepted as a State and seated as a delegation. Congress agrees, the President signs off, the Republicans weakly whine, the Press pelts them as racists, the Tea Partiers pitch a fit and are called “racistbigotnazifascisthaters..”

Suddenly, the Democrats have parity in the Senate — which means they HAVE the senate — a 51-51 split means the Vice President casts the tie-breaking vote — hello Harry Reid (or whoever replaces him IF he is defeated). And instead of the Republicans having a 223-212 margin in the House, its a 223-218 margin...Throw in DC, and it’s 223-220 and a Senate at 53-51. Add in a few other territories, or give felons the vote....You get the picture.

THis is ALL pushing toward an unsustainable situation. Patriotic Americans who love their country and who support the Constitution can only allow such lawlessness to go on for so long. At some point, we just stand up and say to the theives — it STOPS NOW! When that happens, who thinks the thieves go away quietly? And how many of us will continue to let our homes be plundered and our childrens futures destroyed?


97 posted on 04/28/2010 8:26:20 PM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: yoe
Oh jeeze, PR has voted this down so many times it's not even funny. While Pelosi and company might dream about some wild sceme to pick up to liberal seats by adding PR to the nation, the reality is that those who are most able at the moment to gain the vote to take their seats as senators are conservative.

Gosh, who would have figured that anti-abortion sentiment was so strong in a place where so many are Catholic.

98 posted on 04/28/2010 8:34:32 PM PDT by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: NoLibZone

I hate to break it to you, but most Catholics are not conservative. The Catholic vote is one of the reasons we now have President Obama.


99 posted on 04/28/2010 8:35:30 PM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: adorno

Excuse me.

Puerto Rican statehood has been kicked around for 20 years AT LEAST.

Now suddenly it’s being “fast tracked.” By the most partisan Congress of all time.

Now with a tough election coming up none the less.

Yes, I’m sure Pelosi and Reid are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts because have nothing but love for the Puerto Rican people.

And here you sit with your Holier than Thou glow chiding ME for being cynical?

Ask yourself this: if the Democrat poll numbers weren’t in the toilet, would this be a big deal?

If you notice, they’re also suddenly pushing DC statehood.

What do you think that’s about?

Lastly I find it odd that you want “the politics taken out” of what is basically a political process. But that is often a phrase used when liberals are pushing their latest dumb idea....


100 posted on 04/28/2010 8:36:27 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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