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To: Spaulding; El Gato; BuckeyeTexan; BP2; Mr Rogers; Beckwith; jamese777; rxsid; Red Steel; gunnyg; ...

The laws of nature(God), which all nations observe alike, being established by a divine providence, remain ever fixed and immutable.

But the laws(laws by men) which every state has enacted, undergo frequent changes, either by the tacit consent of the people, or by a new law being subsequently passed. Justinian.

Natural born citizen cannot be changed or amended it is a natural law.

This changes everything..


38 posted on 04/29/2010 8:30:54 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1
Natural born citizen cannot be changed or amended it is a natural law.

That's true, but the law is that the child follows the condition of the parents, with birth on US soil. It doesn't matter how the parents got to be citizens, They do not need to be natural born. If they did, no one woudl be a natural born citizen. The people born before the revolution weren't, and any new immigrants, like my my great grand parents Harrison, or my Great Great Grandparents Kunz, would also not be natural born, and so I would not natural born. But since my great grandfather Kunz was born in the US, he was at least a citizen, and may have been natural born if his parents were naturalized before he was born. Meanwhile, even if my great grandparents Harrison were never naturalized, unlikely though that is, my grandmother Gato, their daughter, was born in the US and was thus a citizen. But bothe my parents were born in the US, and thus at minimum were citizens, and I know my mother was natural born, since I know her parents were both born in the US.

I think you are working under the misunderstanding that to be natural born, your parents must be natural born. Or you just want "those people" not to be natural born. But they are, despite what you might prefer.

40 posted on 04/29/2010 9:40:16 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: bushpilot1
From the link you provided:

II. Natural, Common, and Civil Law.

The law of nature is that law which nature teaches to all animals. For this law does not belong exclusively to the human race, but belongs to all animals, whether of the earth, the air, or the water. Hence comes the union of the male and female, which we term matrimony; hence the procreation and bringing up of children. We see, indeed, that all the other animals besides men are considered as having knowledge of this law.

Natural law belongs to all animals. Yet there is no such thing as natural born citizenship for animals, only men. So natural born citizen cannot be a natural law. Therefore it has to be common or civil law according to the source you cited.

It could be an unwritten law.

9. The unwritten law is that which usage has established; for ancient customs, being sanctioned by the consent of those who adopt them, are like laws.
You left out the important part of the following quote.

11. The laws of nature, which all nations observe alike, being established by a divine providence, remain ever fixed and immutable. But the laws which every state has enacted, undergo frequent changes, either by the tacit consent of the people, or by a new law being subsequently passed.
God says who is a natural man. Man says who is a natural born citizen.
58 posted on 04/30/2010 11:06:34 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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